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There's this story about Onan getting punished for spilling libidinous seed to waste. There's this all important question about masturbation; is it healthy? Is it sinful?
The urge to get rid of libidinous pressure turns out to be the source of death and depression. No wonder the sex lives of many are so gory. I am surprised at how much madness has subjugated me.
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tycho wrote:There's this story about Onan getting punished for spilling libidinous seed to waste. There's this all important question about masturbation; is it healthy? Is it sinful?
The urge to get rid of libidinous pressure turns out to be the source of death and depression. No wonder the sex lives of many are so gory. I am surprised at how much madness has subjugated me. The wasting of 'seed' is taboo among many cultures, not just the bible. I think it comes from a past where propagation of the race was a major challenge and,...ahem, all hands were required on board. But things have changed now and in fact we have the opposite problem, too many of us. So in that regard masturbation is, evolutionary speaking, not only right but mandatory. Of course our religious/morality mores are late to catch up, as usual. --------------------------- Aside (sotto voice): I read somewhere that the reasons girls experience a growth spurt around adolescence (faster than boys) is an evolutionary adaptation where, in the past, a girl was expected to start bearing children on hitting puberty. If that is true we should be seeing a gradual change where children of both sexes grow on average at the same rate. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:There's this story about Onan getting punished for spilling libidinous seed to waste. There's this all important question about masturbation; is it healthy? Is it sinful?
The urge to get rid of libidinous pressure turns out to be the source of death and depression. No wonder the sex lives of many are so gory. I am surprised at how much madness has subjugated me. The wasting of 'seed' is taboo among many cultures, not just the bible. I think it comes from a past where propagation of the race was a major challenge and,...ahem, all hands were required on board. But things have changed now and in fact we have the opposite problem, too many of us. So in that regard masturbation is, evolutionary speaking, not only right but mandatory. Of course our religious/morality mores are late to catch up, as usual. --------------------------- Aside (sotto voice): I read somewhere that the reasons girls experience a growth spurt around adolescence (faster than boys) is an evolutionary adaptation where, in the past, a girl was expected to start bearing children on hitting puberty. If that is true we should be seeing a gradual change where children of both sexes grow on average at the same rate. By who or what and why did they expect a girl to start bearing children on hitting puberty?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:There's this story about Onan getting punished for spilling libidinous seed to waste. There's this all important question about masturbation; is it healthy? Is it sinful?
The urge to get rid of libidinous pressure turns out to be the source of death and depression. No wonder the sex lives of many are so gory. I am surprised at how much madness has subjugated me. The wasting of 'seed' is taboo among many cultures, not just the bible. I think it comes from a past where propagation of the race was a major challenge and,...ahem, all hands were required on board. But things have changed now and in fact we have the opposite problem, too many of us. So in that regard masturbation is, evolutionary speaking, not only right but mandatory. Of course our religious/morality mores are late to catch up, as usual. --------------------------- Aside (sotto voice): I read somewhere that the reasons girls experience a growth spurt around adolescence (faster than boys) is an evolutionary adaptation where, in the past, a girl was expected to start bearing children on hitting puberty. If that is true we should be seeing a gradual change where children of both sexes grow on average at the same rate. Are we too many? And supposing we're too many, is the adaptive challenge the maintenance of a stable population through population control? In my opinion sex plays a relatively small role in propagation of numbers, and a bigger role in propagation of humanity in qualitative terms. For example, delayed gratification can be used for economic development. Neither is masturbation mandatory if there are other practices that can be used in its stead-and there are alternatives to it. From experience, many of us seem to be under a pernicious psychology that has alienated us from ourselves. Think of how masturbation goes with pornography as an example. We live in times when intelligence is despised and nihilism and madness are extolled.
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:There's this story about Onan getting punished for spilling libidinous seed to waste. There's this all important question about masturbation; is it healthy? Is it sinful?
The urge to get rid of libidinous pressure turns out to be the source of death and depression. No wonder the sex lives of many are so gory. I am surprised at how much madness has subjugated me. The wasting of 'seed' is taboo among many cultures, not just the bible. I think it comes from a past where propagation of the race was a major challenge and,...ahem, all hands were required on board. But things have changed now and in fact we have the opposite problem, too many of us. So in that regard masturbation is, evolutionary speaking, not only right but mandatory. Of course our religious/morality mores are late to catch up, as usual. --------------------------- Aside (sotto voice): I read somewhere that the reasons girls experience a growth spurt around adolescence (faster than boys) is an evolutionary adaptation where, in the past, a girl was expected to start bearing children on hitting puberty. If that is true we should be seeing a gradual change where children of both sexes grow on average at the same rate. By who or what and why did they expect a girl to start bearing children on hitting puberty? There are many societies that practice early marriage even today. What people forget is that this was the norm everywhere until about 100 years ago. Most history books you read say as much. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:There's this story about Onan getting punished for spilling libidinous seed to waste. There's this all important question about masturbation; is it healthy? Is it sinful?
The urge to get rid of libidinous pressure turns out to be the source of death and depression. No wonder the sex lives of many are so gory. I am surprised at how much madness has subjugated me. The wasting of 'seed' is taboo among many cultures, not just the bible. I think it comes from a past where propagation of the race was a major challenge and,...ahem, all hands were required on board. But things have changed now and in fact we have the opposite problem, too many of us. So in that regard masturbation is, evolutionary speaking, not only right but mandatory. Of course our religious/morality mores are late to catch up, as usual. --------------------------- Aside (sotto voice): I read somewhere that the reasons girls experience a growth spurt around adolescence (faster than boys) is an evolutionary adaptation where, in the past, a girl was expected to start bearing children on hitting puberty. If that is true we should be seeing a gradual change where children of both sexes grow on average at the same rate. By who or what and why did they expect a girl to start bearing children on hitting puberty? There are many societies that practice early marriage even today. What people forget is that this was the norm everywhere until about 100 years ago. Most history books you read say as much. You are evading my question. Let me rephrase, who or what made it the norm everywhere (until about 100 years ago)? And why did it / they make it the norm?
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tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:There's this story about Onan getting punished for spilling libidinous seed to waste. There's this all important question about masturbation; is it healthy? Is it sinful?
The urge to get rid of libidinous pressure turns out to be the source of death and depression. No wonder the sex lives of many are so gory. I am surprised at how much madness has subjugated me. The wasting of 'seed' is taboo among many cultures, not just the bible. I think it comes from a past where propagation of the race was a major challenge and,...ahem, all hands were required on board. But things have changed now and in fact we have the opposite problem, too many of us. So in that regard masturbation is, evolutionary speaking, not only right but mandatory. Of course our religious/morality mores are late to catch up, as usual. --------------------------- Aside (sotto voice): I read somewhere that the reasons girls experience a growth spurt around adolescence (faster than boys) is an evolutionary adaptation where, in the past, a girl was expected to start bearing children on hitting puberty. If that is true we should be seeing a gradual change where children of both sexes grow on average at the same rate. Are we too many? And supposing we're too many, is the adaptive challenge the maintenance of a stable population through population control? In a past life, I studied demography and I can confirm that indeed we are too many. But numbers is only part of the story. The real challenge is the behavior that humanity has adopted - especially uncontrolled consumption - which puts the entire ecosystem at risk. If every person on Earth attained the same ecological footprint as, say, America (which lifestyle we all seem to aspire to) the Earth would not survive as we know it. About sex and procreation these are the key instruments through which we propagate. My expectation is that evolution is right now working to adapt us to the challenge of strained Earth carrying capacity. One such adaptation is sex without leading to propagation. In other words masturbation, porn, homosexuality etc. I suspect the rise of disease epidemics is an other evolutionary adaptation that we shall see a lot more off in coming years, especially as social and political progress have almost eliminated one of the most efficient tools of number control, war. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:There's this story about Onan getting punished for spilling libidinous seed to waste. There's this all important question about masturbation; is it healthy? Is it sinful?
The urge to get rid of libidinous pressure turns out to be the source of death and depression. No wonder the sex lives of many are so gory. I am surprised at how much madness has subjugated me. The wasting of 'seed' is taboo among many cultures, not just the bible. I think it comes from a past where propagation of the race was a major challenge and,...ahem, all hands were required on board. But things have changed now and in fact we have the opposite problem, too many of us. So in that regard masturbation is, evolutionary speaking, not only right but mandatory. Of course our religious/morality mores are late to catch up, as usual. --------------------------- Aside (sotto voice): I read somewhere that the reasons girls experience a growth spurt around adolescence (faster than boys) is an evolutionary adaptation where, in the past, a girl was expected to start bearing children on hitting puberty. If that is true we should be seeing a gradual change where children of both sexes grow on average at the same rate. By who or what and why did they expect a girl to start bearing children on hitting puberty? There are many societies that practice early marriage even today. What people forget is that this was the norm everywhere until about 100 years ago. Most history books you read say as much. You are evading my question. Let me rephrase, who or what made it the norm everywhere (until about 100 years ago)? And why did it / they make it the norm? It is not who, it is what. This is my theory. In a time when mortality rates were very high and the survival of a social group was not guaranteed, society needed to make maximum use of its reproductive potential. For girls it meant early marriage and bearing many children. Anything that deviated from this was sanctioned in one way or other. The taboo against 'spilling of seed' can be seen in this light. So is the common desire of almost all humans to procreate - even today when the survival of the race is no longer threatened. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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