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innairobi wrote:Ngong wrote:Ah! are you suggesting circumcision was introduced to the mugikuyu by the arab? my God! isnt it striking that bantus who migrated further south predominantly dont circumcise but bantus who remained in east africa like the gikuyu do? therein lies the hint. Which non-circumcising Bantu people are these? The Coastals chop, The Western Bantu chop, The Bongo people chop, the South Africa Bantus chop too While it is likely that the long held historian thought that Cushites introduced the cut, it is very likely that it was not introduced in current ethnic homeland but from the Congo area as the Cushites were also known to move West PS. The Batusti of Rwanda/Burundi/DRC are believed to have come from Ethiopia! Read Mohammed Mamdani's works. Yet we believe they're Bantu! You will see some resemblance between some Rwandese and Ethiopians...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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The circumcision map doesn't include south africa, zulus and xsoxes(sp) are they bantu and do circumcision ?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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Lolest! wrote:innairobi wrote:Ngong wrote:Ah! are you suggesting circumcision was introduced to the mugikuyu by the arab? my God! isnt it striking that bantus who migrated further south predominantly dont circumcise but bantus who remained in east africa like the gikuyu do? therein lies the hint. Which non-circumcising Bantu people are these? The Coastals chop, The Western Bantu chop, The Bongo people chop, the South Africa Bantus chop too While it is likely that the long held historian thought that Cushites introduced the cut, it is very likely that it was not introduced in current ethnic homeland but from the Congo area as the Cushites were also known to move West PS. The Batusti of Rwanda/Burundi/DRC are believed to have come from Ethiopia! Read Mohammed Mamdani's works. Yet we believe they're Bantu! You will see some resemblance between some Rwandese and Ethiopians... Infact the rwandans and the mountainees dialect is soo similar to confusion. In nyayo high rise,l witnessed two rwadaness ladies talking and thought they were. gikuyu,l said hi and got the shock of my life!
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/2/2010 Posts: 845
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Ngong wrote:innairobi wrote:Ngong wrote:Ah! are you suggesting circumcision was introduced to the mugikuyu by the arab? my God! isnt it striking that bantus who migrated further south predominantly dont circumcise but bantus who remained in east africa like the gikuyu do? therein lies the hint. Good, now go further and show any instances of the arab to the mugikuyu. Will appreciate, thanks! Sorry had to edit,cultural contact that is! whether it copied from the arabs/muslims, the nilotes like the maasai or the cushites like the somalis, the point is circumcision was not invented by bantus like the gikuyus. it was adopted. as much as this might get me beheaded if i publicly said this to my fellow bantus, bantu forefathers were uncircumcised i.e. the dreaded kihii. maybe future generations will be more open to an honest conversation. All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2015 Posts: 681 Location: Kenya
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innairobi wrote:Ngong wrote:Ah! are you suggesting circumcision was introduced to the mugikuyu by the arab? my God! isnt it striking that bantus who migrated further south predominantly dont circumcise but bantus who remained in east africa like the gikuyu do? therein lies the hint. From the little history I've read, circumcision was introduced to the Gikuyu by a tribe they found residing in Mt Kenya area called Aathi. They were later absorbed by the Gikuyu in around 1600. Gikuyu passes circumcision to Maasai who they were in close contact/conflict with those ages. I've never seen any text linking Gikuyus to arabs around these times...
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/2/2010 Posts: 845
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Lolest! wrote:innairobi wrote:Ngong wrote:Ah! are you suggesting circumcision was introduced to the mugikuyu by the arab? my God! isnt it striking that bantus who migrated further south predominantly dont circumcise but bantus who remained in east africa like the gikuyu do? therein lies the hint. Which non-circumcising Bantu people are these? The Coastals chop, The Western Bantu chop, The Bongo people chop, the South Africa Bantus chop too While it is likely that the long held historian thought that Cushites introduced the cut, it is very likely that it was not introduced in current ethnic homeland but from the Congo area as the Cushites were also known to move West PS. The Batusti of Rwanda/Burundi/DRC are believed to have come from Ethiopia! Read Mohammed Mamdani's works. Yet we believe they're Bantu! You will see some resemblance between some Rwandese and Ethiopians... some southern african bantus do but majority dont. that's why i posted the two maps. southern african countries (zambia, zimbabwe, mozambique, botswana, swaziland, lesotho, south africa etc) are mostly 90%+ bantu and majority of their populations are uncircumcised. All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Ngong wrote:The circumcision map doesn't include south africa, zulus and xsoxes(sp) are they bantu and do circumcision ? They do chop. You can confirm by reading Mandela's biography...just before you get a wife, at a river, in a group. One fellow doing it with much ceremony and onlookers Much like the Bukusu are still doing today
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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bantus never used to 'cut'! usidanganywe na mtu... 'cutting' is of a middle eastern origin. some cushitic and nilotic tribes must have rubbed it in. the whole of south africa wanaishi tu! it must have been widely spread by islam and interactions with people who practice islam. it's a very small world All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/2/2010 Posts: 845
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masukuma wrote:bantus never used to 'cut'! usidanganywe na mtu... 'cutting' is of a middle eastern origin. some cushitic and nilotic tribes must have rubbed it in. the whole of south africa wanaishi tu! it must have been widely spread by islam and interactions with people who practice islam. it's a very small world exactly. as a bantu, its a subject i obviously wouldnt broach with my father as i could be disowned  All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:some southern african bantus do but majority dont. that's why i posted the two maps. southern african countries (zambia, zimbabwe, mozambique, botswana, swaziland, lesotho, south africa etc) are mostly 90%+ bantu and majority of their populations are uncircumcised. So who introduced it to the Southern Africa Bantus? Jan Van Rieebeck's people?
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