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segemia wrote:I am not always anti-Alphdoti @segemia, I can see you're an expert in Photoshop. Brother, don't impersonate in pictures. Speak up. I know you personally. If you want details, let me know.
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Mo wrote:@alpha, enough with the spins, can you now answer @symbols question without quoting the bible? ie can you please answer the question from what the koran teaches? symbols wrote:
1.Verse 5:33 specifies two things: waging war and corruption/mischief. a.Waging war - Does this apply to those you call the "enemies of Islam"? b.Corruption/mischief - From verses 7:103 and 7:127,mischief and corruption can be defined as rejecting Islam or actions that cause a Muslim to abandon Allah.
Imprisonment is not part of the 'punishment' included in the verse.To repent in verse 5:34 means converting to Islam!
2.Verse 2:256 says there is no compulsion in religion but verse 3:85 says no other religion will be accepted except Islam.
What you are quoting is verse 9:74 and repentance means converting to Islam! Verse 9:73 abrogates verses 2:256 and 3:85 and it is offensive in nature.
The Quran abrogates previous scriptures e.g. Jesus' message of love your enemy is to be substituted with Muhammad's messages.Quoting the Bible which the Quran considers to be corrupted and abrogated is illogical and irrelevant to this discussion.
In short,I am asking you to show the Quran teaches peace.
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Even Sister sometimes takes swipes at Alphdoti.
Why not you, o you who haven't?
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AlphDoti wrote:segemia wrote:I am not always anti-Alphdoti @segemia, I can see you're an expert in Photoshop. Brother, don't impersonate in pictures. Speak up. I know you personally. If you want details, let me know. Hi brother @Alphdoti. I am back!! Not for a bare knuckle fight but truce. Now where do I begin? Oh yes, you are not Al-phadoti, but Alphdoti, see, these are two different personalities! You are not a wazuan muslim scholar, but a wazuan muslim blogger. Also you are not of the class who go round making some unintelligible utterances. So don't get all riled up.
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I do not believe @Alph is the problem. This was prophesied by an Angel of the Lord in Genesis 16:11-12. You see Alph is a spiritual son of Ishmael and Genesis describes what Ismael will be which also applies to his spiritual children '' He will be a wild ass of a man, and his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand will be against him'' If this does not describe Alph, then I do not know what does. No matusi meant @Alph, just quoting scripture. Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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Alphadoti. 60% Learning, 30% synthesizing, 10% Debating
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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segemia wrote:AlphDoti wrote:segemia wrote:I am not always anti-Alphdoti @segemia, I can see you're an expert in Photoshop. Brother, don't impersonate in pictures. Speak up. I know you personally. If you want details, let me know. Hi brother @Alphdoti. I am back!! Not for a bare knuckle fight but truce. Now where do I begin? Oh yes, you are not Al-phadoti, but Alphdoti, see, these are two different personalities! You are not a wazuan muslim scholar, but a wazuan muslim blogger. Also you are not of the class who go round making some unintelligible utterances. So don't get all riled up. Peace bro!
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Robinhood wrote:I do not believe @Alph is the problem. This was prophesied by an Angel of the Lord in Genesis 16:11-12. You see Alph is a spiritual son of Ishmael and Genesis describes what Ismael will be which also applies to his spiritual children
'' He will be a wild ass of a man, and his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand will be against him''
If this does not describe Alph, then I do not know what does.
No matusi meant @Alph, just quoting scripture.
Shauri yako! Last time I quoted those words, as referenced by @Guru, our Muslim blogger was not amused.
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Mukiri wrote:Robinhood wrote:I do not believe @Alph is the problem. This was prophesied by an Angel of the Lord in Genesis 16:11-12. You see Alph is a spiritual son of Ishmael and Genesis describes what Ismael will be which also applies to his spiritual children
'' He will be a wild ass of a man, and his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand will be against him''
If this does not describe Alph, then I do not know what does.
No matusi meant @Alph, just quoting scripture. Shauri yako! Last time I quoted those words, as referenced by @Guru, our Muslim blogger was not amused. @mukiri, @robinhood, this is an opportunity to expose the liars of the NIV Bible!The translators of NIV Bible purposely lied and shamelessly inserted words in Genesis 16:11-12! Look at the text: Genesis 16:11 " And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction." Genesis 16:12 " And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren." See how much the NIV Bible translators are rude and liars! The King James Version Bible says Ishmael will be a " wild man", and they changed it to "wild donkey of a man" in the NIV Bible. The King James Version Bible says " he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren", they changed this to "hostility" among his brethrens in NIV Bible This is how Bible translators successfully deceived you @robinhood by inserting words that did not exist in the original documents! That is why you hate @alphdoti for nothing!I took a picture of the verse from my copy of KJV at home:
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Mo wrote:@alpha, enough with the spins, can you now answer @symbols question without quoting the bible? ie can you please answer the question from what the koran teaches? symbols wrote:
1.Verse 5:33 specifies two things: waging war and corruption/mischief. a.Waging war - Does this apply to those you call the "enemies of Islam"? b.Corruption/mischief - From verses 7:103 and 7:127,mischief and corruption can be defined as rejecting Islam or actions that cause a Muslim to abandon Allah.
Imprisonment is not part of the 'punishment' included in the verse.To repent in verse 5:34 means converting to Islam!
2.Verse 2:256 says there is no compulsion in religion but verse 3:85 says no other religion will be accepted except Islam.
What you are quoting is verse 9:74 and repentance means converting to Islam! Verse 9:73 abrogates verses 2:256 and 3:85 and it is offensive in nature.
The Quran abrogates previous scriptures e.g. Jesus' message of love your enemy is to be substituted with Muhammad's messages.Quoting the Bible which the Quran considers to be corrupted and abrogated is illogical and irrelevant to this discussion.
In short,I am asking you to show the Quran teaches peace.
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AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:Robinhood wrote:I do not believe @Alph is the problem. This was prophesied by an Angel of the Lord in Genesis 16:11-12. You see Alph is a spiritual son of Ishmael and Genesis describes what Ismael will be which also applies to his spiritual children
'' He will be a wild ass of a man, and his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand will be against him''
If this does not describe Alph, then I do not know what does.
No matusi meant @Alph, just quoting scripture. Shauri yako! Last time I quoted those words, as referenced by @Guru, our Muslim blogger was not amused. @mukiri, @robinhood, this is an opportunity to expose the liars of the NIV Bible!The translators of NIV Bible purposely lied and shamelessly inserted words in Genesis 16:11-12! Look at the text: Genesis 16:11 " And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction." Genesis 16:12 " And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren." See how much the NIV Bible translators are rude and liars! The King James Version Bible says Ishmael will be a " wild man", and they changed it to "wild donkey of a man" in the NIV Bible. The King James Version Bible says " he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren", they changed this to "hostility" among his brethrens in NIV Bible This is how Bible translators successfully deceived you @robinhood by inserting words that did not exist in the original documents! That is why you hate @alphdoti for nothing!I took a picture of the verse from my copy of KJV at home: I like the way you like to spin things bw Doti. I will grant you that the 'ass' be removed from the verse. It still says that Ishmael will be a wild/violent man who will be against everyone and everyone will be against. This is my argument. Si kupenda kwako! Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Robinhood wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:Robinhood wrote:I do not believe @Alph is the problem. This was prophesied by an Angel of the Lord in Genesis 16:11-12. You see Alph is a spiritual son of Ishmael and Genesis describes what Ismael will be which also applies to his spiritual children
'' He will be a wild ass of a man, and his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand will be against him''
If this does not describe Alph, then I do not know what does.
No matusi meant @Alph, just quoting scripture. Shauri yako! Last time I quoted those words, as referenced by @Guru, our Muslim blogger was not amused. @mukiri, @robinhood, this is an opportunity to expose the liars of the NIV Bible!The translators of NIV Bible purposely lied and shamelessly inserted words in Genesis 16:11-12! Look at the text: Genesis 16:11 " And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction." Genesis 16:12 " And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren." See how much the NIV Bible translators are rude and liars! The King James Version Bible says Ishmael will be a " wild man", and they changed it to "wild donkey of a man" in the NIV Bible. The King James Version Bible says " he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren", they changed this to "hostility" among his brethrens in NIV Bible This is how Bible translators successfully deceived you @robinhood by inserting words that did not exist in the original documents! That is why you hate @alphdoti for nothing!I took a picture of the verse from my copy of KJV at home: I like the way you like to spin things bw Doti. I will grant you that the 'ass' be removed from the verse. It still says that Ishmael will be a wild/violent man who will be against everyone and everyone will be against. This is my argument. Si kupenda kwako! So why did the Bible scholars put the word "ass". Earlier version says "wild man" but your scholars in the later version NIV said "wild donkey of a man"! This is how yuiu are deceived.
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Peace or Jihad?If a terrorist claims the peaceful verses in the Quran are abrogated by the violent ones and uses that understanding to justify terrorism,is he or is she wrong? If so,can you show me proof from the Quran. I appreciate honesty and candor. I would rather be told with clarity and openness that 'this and so' is the real deal. That is why I have no problems with my sister, Guru267. Others who have fallen for the exoteric are just pawns. Means-to-an-end. Currency. Expendables. @AlphDoti has shown he can be clear and open when it comes to blame and accusations.If he responds,he might extend this issue the same courtesy. Let's wait and see. @symbols, the issue of Islam promoting violence or terror is a false image. It is something which I have said many times, that there is a deliberate attempt to distort Islam, brainwash people, conjure up images, to try and motivate people to say "Muslim terrorist". The truth is, somebody with Arabic name, or says Allahu Akbar and commits crimes against the teachings of Islam, then that does not make him a Muslim. It just means he is an impostor Let me give two verses to demonstrate this.(1). As I always say, the discriminate use of violence to make up any political ends in Islam is not supported at all. Check out Chapter 5:32 " ..any one kills a person - unless it be for retaliation - it would be as if he slew the whole people" (2). Quran chapter 2:256 " Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error:" That verse above would be meaningless if Islam is induced by force. Right now in America, people are converting to Islam daily, who is forcing them? And everyone recognizes that Islam is the fastest growing religion today, America and Europe. So if you look at the Quran, you would not find any "violent" verse, rather they may be talking about restoring order or defending oneself or retaliation. The image of Islam or Muslims is not the issue here.In that aspect there are similarities between you and those you are accusing of "distorting Islam, brainwashing people and conjuring up images". Quran 2:106 wrote: We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?
Using your examples: 1.The verse you've quoted justifies terrorism in the name of retaliation and it is supposedly a Judaic teaching meant for the Israelites.The next verse,5:33,Muhammad calls for killing,crucifying,maiming and exiling people e.g. those you are accusing? 2.The article address verse 2:256 and it has been abrogated by verses 3:85-6 and 9:73. Using the Quran,can you show the 'impostors' aren't imitating Muhammad and following the teachings of Quran. 1. Verse 5:33 does not justify terrorism, rather it prescribes punishment for those causing corruption: a. Kill the persons or b. Crucify the person or b. Cut off the hands and feet or c. Imprison the person or banish It is the law of punishment depending on crime. The verse further say, if they repent then forgiving is best! 2. Verses 3:85 & 9:73 do not abrogate verse 2:256. Verse 2:256 says no compulsion in religion Verse 3:85 says "And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the Losers" Verse 9:73 says "...those disbelieved after believe... So if they repent, it is better for them; but if they turn away, Allah will punish them with a painful punishment in this world and the Hereafter." Where do they abrogate each other? In fact it supports what Bible says: Psalms 5:6 "You destroy those who tell lies; bloodthirsty and deceitful men the LORD abhors." 2 Thessalonians 1:8 "dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power" 1.Verse 5:33 specifies two things: waging war and corruption/mischief. a.Waging war - Does this apply to those you call the "enemies of Islam"? b.Corruption/mischief - From verses 7:103 and 7:127,mischief and corruption can be defined as rejecting Islam or actions that cause a Muslim to abandon Allah. Imprisonment is not part of the 'punishment' included in the verse.To repent in verse 5:34 means converting to Islam! 2.Verse 2:256 says there is no compulsion in religion but verse 3:85 says no other religion will be accepted except Islam. What you are quoting is verse 9:74 and repentance means converting to Islam! Verse 9:73 abrogates verses 2:256 and 3:85 and it is offensive in nature. The Quran abrogates previous scriptures e.g. Jesus' message of love your enemy is to be substituted with Muhammad's messages.Quoting the Bible which the Quran considers to be corrupted and abrogated is illogical and irrelevant to this discussion. In short,I am asking you to show the Quran teaches peace.
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symbols wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Peace or Jihad?If a terrorist claims the peaceful verses in the Quran are abrogated by the violent ones and uses that understanding to justify terrorism,is he or is she wrong? If so,can you show me proof from the Quran. I appreciate honesty and candor. I would rather be told with clarity and openness that 'this and so' is the real deal. That is why I have no problems with my sister, Guru267. Others who have fallen for the exoteric are just pawns. Means-to-an-end. Currency. Expendables. @AlphDoti has shown he can be clear and open when it comes to blame and accusations.If he responds,he might extend this issue the same courtesy. Let's wait and see. @symbols, the issue of Islam promoting violence or terror is a false image. It is something which I have said many times, that there is a deliberate attempt to distort Islam, brainwash people, conjure up images, to try and motivate people to say "Muslim terrorist". The truth is, somebody with Arabic name, or says Allahu Akbar and commits crimes against the teachings of Islam, then that does not make him a Muslim. It just means he is an impostor Let me give two verses to demonstrate this.(1). As I always say, the discriminate use of violence to make up any political ends in Islam is not supported at all. Check out Chapter 5:32 " ..any one kills a person - unless it be for retaliation - it would be as if he slew the whole people" (2). Quran chapter 2:256 " Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error:" That verse above would be meaningless if Islam is induced by force. Right now in America, people are converting to Islam daily, who is forcing them? And everyone recognizes that Islam is the fastest growing religion today, America and Europe. So if you look at the Quran, you would not find any "violent" verse, rather they may be talking about restoring order or defending oneself or retaliation. The image of Islam or Muslims is not the issue here.In that aspect there are similarities between you and those you are accusing of "distorting Islam, brainwashing people and conjuring up images". Quran 2:106 wrote: We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?
Using your examples: 1.The verse you've quoted justifies terrorism in the name of retaliation and it is supposedly a Judaic teaching meant for the Israelites.The next verse,5:33,Muhammad calls for killing,crucifying,maiming and exiling people e.g. those you are accusing? 2.The article address verse 2:256 and it has been abrogated by verses 3:85-6 and 9:73. Using the Quran,can you show the 'impostors' aren't imitating Muhammad and following the teachings of Quran. 1. Verse 5:33 does not justify terrorism, rather it prescribes punishment for those causing corruption: a. Kill the persons or b. Crucify the person or b. Cut off the hands and feet or c. Imprison the person or banish It is the law of punishment depending on crime. The verse further say, if they repent then forgiving is best! 2. Verses 3:85 & 9:73 do not abrogate verse 2:256. Verse 2:256 says no compulsion in religion Verse 3:85 says "And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the Losers" Verse 9:73 says "...those disbelieved after believe... So if they repent, it is better for them; but if they turn away, Allah will punish them with a painful punishment in this world and the Hereafter." Where do they abrogate each other? In fact it supports what Bible says: Psalms 5:6 "You destroy those who tell lies; bloodthirsty and deceitful men the LORD abhors." 2 Thessalonians 1:8 "dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power" 1.Verse 5:33 specifies two things: waging war and corruption/mischief. a.Waging war - Does this apply to those you call the "enemies of Islam"? b.Corruption/mischief - From verses 7:103 and 7:127,mischief and corruption can be defined as rejecting Islam or actions that cause a Muslim to abandon Allah. Imprisonment is not part of the 'punishment' included in the verse.To repent in verse 5:34 means converting to Islam! 2.Verse 2:256 says there is no compulsion in religion but verse 3:85 says no other religion will be accepted except Islam. What you are quoting is verse 9:74 and repentance means converting to Islam! Verse 9:73 abrogates verses 2:256 and 3:85 and it is offensive in nature. The Quran abrogates previous scriptures e.g. Jesus' message of love your enemy is to be substituted with Muhammad's messages.Quoting the Bible which the Quran considers to be corrupted and abrogated is illogical and irrelevant to this discussion. In short,I am asking you to show the Quran teaches peace. "Peace!" "Peace!" Then they inflict sudden destruction.
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Muriel wrote: "Peace!" "Peace!" Then they inflict sudden destruction.
Prophetic!
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