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Swenani wrote:tycho wrote:Swenani wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Saying it can't be doesn't make it so and neither does the graph.I could also have easily have said Big brother doesn't understand me.
I can influence with knowledge and let the individual make their own decision.This is focused on manipulation of the subconscious to bypass the conscious.With @murchr's case he was open about his point of view and someone can choose the path and the consequences. Are you conversant with Euler paths? Assume I am not and explain how Big brother is me. Consider a social system. It is made up of interrelated individuals where some connections are apparent or derived. For example, between you and I, there might be unnamed individuals who are connected to the conversation we're having. Now, when you connect all individuals graphically to illustrate the network you realize that there are paths-connections which when followed, will pass through each individual oncine. Normally the system's order follows such a path. Now taking such a path, and anyI'm two distinct points, if the two points are on the same path then they are mutually dependent, and determine each other even in sequence. Such that 'responsibility' is evenly distributed and co-determined. This is an equivalence. How is Big brother me? You're asking how the two points are equivalent and co-determinant. That I can only let you work out from yourself if you apply the above example to global affairs. For example, national independence was related calls by America and the creation of Bretton woods institutions. Systems,paths and connections doesn't make me Big brother and it also doesn't explain how I don't understand Big brother.This 'science of social networks' has shown an individual or group can make a conscious decision to manipulate the systems,paths and connections to generate events and outcomes suited for their own objectives. What makes a person? skin, blood, water, body mass, dick/shimo, attitude, culture and friends All these you've mentioned are systems, connections, paths on different dimensions connected. once connected, they make a person Only the connection isn't done once. It's continuous. Dynamic. From known to unknown.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Saying it can't be doesn't make it so and neither does the graph.I could also have easily have said Big brother doesn't understand me.
I can influence with knowledge and let the individual make their own decision.This is focused on manipulation of the subconscious to bypass the conscious.With @murchr's case he was open about his point of view and someone can choose the path and the consequences. Are you conversant with Euler paths? Assume I am not and explain how Big brother is me. Consider a social system. It is made up of interrelated individuals where some connections are apparent or derived. For example, between you and I, there might be unnamed individuals who are connected to the conversation we're having. Now, when you connect all individuals graphically to illustrate the network you realize that there are paths-connections which when followed, will pass through each individual once. Normally the system's order follows such a path. Now taking such a path, and any two distinct points, if the two points are on the same path then they are mutually dependent, and determine each other even in sequence. Such that 'responsibility' is evenly distributed and co-determined. This is an equivalence. How is Big brother me? You're asking how the two points are equivalent and co-determinant. That I can only let you work out from yourself if you apply the above example to global affairs. For example, national independence was related calls by America and the creation of Bretton woods institutions. Systems,paths and connections doesn't make me Big brother and it also doesn't explain how I don't understand Big brother.This 'science of social networks' has shown an individual or group can make a conscious decision to manipulate the systems,paths and connections to generate events and outcomes suited for their own objectives. What makes a person? another Another person? Still a system, connections, paths. . .
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That doesn't mean I am big brother or big brother is a person.It's the same argument used with a corporation.It isn't an individual.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:That doesn't mean I am big brother or big brother is a person.It's the same argument used with a corporation.It isn't an individual. A person is a simplification of all these complexities. Determined by roles and expectations per context. That's how and why one can never be fully known. The person is always something more.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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So should (does) any other social network.
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tycho wrote:So should (does) any other social network. Its all the NSA. You thought they were not?
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:So should (does) any other social network. Its all the NSA. You thought they were not? It can't be all NSA. Nodes and networks are emergent. NSA can try to be a member of some or most networks. But it can't be in all networks conceivable.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Tycho Come again. You were saying something?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Muriel wrote:Tycho Come again. You were saying something? What else don't you know?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:Tycho Come again. You were saying something? Reading about these techniques and strategies by the NSA and others serve to give me insights about social networks. So far, the argument you seem to be presenting is equivalent to 'people shouldn't own property because robbers abound'.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Tycho Come again. You were saying something? Reading about these techniques and strategies by the NSA and others serve to give me insights about social networks. So far, the argument you seem to be presenting is equivalent to 'people shouldn't own property because robbers abound'. You are putting words, arguments, in my mouth. Forcing, even. However, I relish and savor the concession that indeed you are now getting insights about social networks - that you were most likely unaware of earlier. My point.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Tycho Come again. You were saying something? Reading about these techniques and strategies by the NSA and others serve to give me insights about social networks. So far, the argument you seem to be presenting is equivalent to 'people shouldn't own property because robbers abound'. You are putting words, arguments, in my mouth. Forcing, even. However, I relish and savor the concession that indeed you are now getting insights about social networks - that you were most likely unaware of earlier. My point. I had actually read about these links earlier, and my posts so far had been informed by them. Then look at the thread's title: what's it about? About ignorance, there's plenty of ignorance surrounding me, that's how I get my work. At least I know this.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Tycho Come again. You were saying something? Reading about these techniques and strategies by the NSA and others serve to give me insights about social networks. So far, the argument you seem to be presenting is equivalent to 'people shouldn't own property because robbers abound'. You are putting words, arguments, in my mouth. Forcing, even. However, I relish and savor the concession that indeed you are now getting insights about social networks - that you were most likely unaware of earlier. My point. I had actually read about these links earlier, and my posts so far had been informed by them. Then look at the thread's title: what's it about? About ignorance, there's plenty of ignorance surrounding me, that's how I get my work. At least I know this. Ok. Though this particular link is hardly 24 hours old. Anyway, back to topic. Yes, the sociology and anthropology of social media. Total population control. The creation of automatons.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Tycho Come again. You were saying something? Reading about these techniques and strategies by the NSA and others serve to give me insights about social networks. So far, the argument you seem to be presenting is equivalent to 'people shouldn't own property because robbers abound'. You are putting words, arguments, in my mouth. Forcing, even. However, I relish and savor the concession that indeed you are now getting insights about social networks - that you were most likely unaware of earlier. My point. I had actually read about these links earlier, and my posts so far had been informed by them. Then look at the thread's title: what's it about? About ignorance, there's plenty of ignorance surrounding me, that's how I get my work. At least I know this. Ok. Though this particular link is hardly 24 hours old. Anyway, back to topic. Yes, the sociology and anthropology of social media. Total population control. The creation of automatons. Actually, it's @symbols link that may be a day old. The path of links extends further than a day. Time is multi-linear in social networks. Social networks are indeed important in automation. Like now robotics is gaining prominence and use. Robots and cybernetic organisms will enhance solutions to life's conditions.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:
Actually, it's @symbols link that may be a day old. The path of links extends further than a day. Time is multi-linear in social networks.
Social networks are indeed important in automation. Like now robotics is gaining prominence and use. Robots and cybernetic organisms will enhance solutions to life's conditions.
New ethics. The creation of automatons. Who will make decisions now?
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