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mkeiy
#31 Posted : Thursday, April 17, 2014 3:55:18 PM
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mnandii wrote:
My thoughts: If you have made good money in this stock market it is time to move aside i.e sell all your portfolio, realize you gain and then hold onto the cash.

If I am not wrong by next week some people will be crying.



@mnandii, Don't believe too much of that Elliot Wave of yours. It's been a month since you started predicting doom and gloom.

As i said in that other thread, "Correction,,,yes. Crazy lows of 3900 on the index,,,,, highly unlikely".
mkonomtupu
#32 Posted : Thursday, April 17, 2014 3:59:28 PM
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@slowsteady, congrats on your portfolio. However my long experience at the NSE has taught me that Buffet's ways do not necessarily work on this market. At the NSE the best advise is to think long term and act short term,this market can shock you with losses and gains. I have played around with Kengen from its IPO buying low selling high to move to top 500 shareholders. The price is now below the IPO price, I would have gained very little by just holding for long term.
dunkang
#33 Posted : Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:09:44 PM
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I have never been for this very long term strategies.

If an opportunity comes up for fast money, why not take it? A good example is that of KenGen. I am not saying people should play the @Metaspolit game of speculation, but, 50% increase is much sweeter in 3 months than holding on to a stock for 5 years and still get that 50% or slightly more.
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Metasploit
#34 Posted : Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:23:37 PM
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dunkang wrote:
I have never been for this very long term strategies.

If an opportunity comes up for fast money, why not take it? A good example is that of KenGen. I am not saying people should play the @Metaspolit game of speculation, but, 50% increase is much sweeter in 3 months than holding on to a stock for 5 years and still get that 50% or slightly more.


I am never a speculator..will never be one.I play my strategy and it works for me! Everybody has got his strategy..at the end of the day we are here to make a living

“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
Metasploit
#35 Posted : Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:33:57 PM
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BTW,Speculation is a totally different game..you move in coz of an anticipated move in the market,anticipated material announcement,anticipated performance,future news etc etc or you jump in when the market moves WITHOUT ANY FUNDAMENTALS OR TA.

The consequence is that you lose 50% and/or gain 50%.

I dont do any of this..I move in just before the market is about to move(after lots of analysis),i buy at dips and sale at highs on volatility (when pullbacks are more than 8%) otherwise in a normal market i will stay put.

Consequence is i gain > 90% of the time.

Plus i trade on a relatively good amount of money.

“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
mnandii
#36 Posted : Saturday, April 19, 2014 8:04:42 AM
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sizzla wrote:
@ mnandii I don't necessarily agree with your sentiments. Global stocks will fall but they will rise again, so for me I will keep on adding no matter how bad the outlook is....


Good. Different people emply different strategies to analyse the market. In the long run ( 2-3 yrs) you should be vindicated. smile
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mnandii
#37 Posted : Saturday, April 19, 2014 8:17:24 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
mnandii wrote:
My thoughts: If you have made good money in this stock market it is time to move aside i.e sell all your portfolio, realize you gain and then hold onto the cash.

If I am not wrong by next week some people will be crying.

You don't get it @mnadii, do you??? He got there by not selling!!! Some fellows just engage zero sum business - and they are the busiest. Sell at 10% profit, buy, sell at 10% loss, buy, sell at 20% loss, buy, sell at 20% loss,.....

Net profit/loss = 0%.

How does Warren Buffet operate? He's on record as saying, "Our preferred holding time [for any stock] is FOREVER!!!".

Always ask yourself "Why did I buy this stock? Are those reasons still valid?". If your answer is yes, keep holding. If it is no (some drastic has happened/changed) you can sell.

Home work:


@mnadii (Others can help). Check at how much the people who bought Equity Bank shares(before listing - or even after listing [two answers here]) bought them at. Now do the math (include bonus & splits) and see how much (if they are still holding the stock) they have multiplied their money by. 10,000/= invested then is worth how much now.

Repeat the above for Apple!!!

Post answers here!!!

@ Maich. You are actually right on the various issues you have commented on. However, there is no denying that some corrections in the market tend to be large while others are small. My little analysis is what has brought to my conclusion that the correction expected in this market and worldwide should be a huge one. Still there is possibility that however BIG the correction may be, some portfolios may not be affected much.

People who constantly get in and out of the market may be persuaded by my analysis. But an investor who looks to the long term ( buy and forget) 'need not worry too much'. smile
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mnandii
#38 Posted : Saturday, April 19, 2014 9:08:03 AM
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I am studying Austrian economics and it has very interesting take on our current situation.

Let me contribute the little I have gathered so far.

The route cause of our 'problems' is the interference in the free market economy by actors such as the state through a central bank.

What a central bank does is to distort the market from an equilibrium position.

You see, the policy that a CB persues may be one of two: a stable price level (hence the constant preoccupation with CPI, for example) OR a stable purchasing power of money.

So when a CB 'sees' that prices are rising or falling beyond a certain threshold it intervenes in the market by, e.g. raising or lowering the interest rate. The goal here is that the price level or the purchasing power of money should remain constant to eternity. The Austrian School finds this fallacious.

In a free market, when prices rise or fall, they do so in response to supply and demand forces which in turn lead to an equilibrium price.

The housing market in the US is a good example. Whenever the prices of houses were falling the FED intervened to keep it from falling. So artificial prices for houses were maintained until at some point the CB becomes overwhelmed and prices fall with or without intervention.

The belief that falling prices are bad is a wrong belief. An entrepreneur will invest if he/she perceives imbalances btw the price of capital goods and the price of the finished product. i.e. If even in a situation where all prices are falling, some categories will fall much faster than others. So if the price of capital goods have fallen faster than the price of the finished item, it follows that the investor will still make money.

A good example is the PC market. Years ago a mainframe computer cost many multiples more than the price of laptop today. Yet the laptop is much faster and more efficient than the mainframe. Also note that the number of computers shipped today are many multiples more than were shipped at any time back in e.g 1980s.

So the price of a computer fell yet the manufactures still manage to make profits in today's market. The lesson here is that falling prices is not necessarily a bad thing warranting intervention by a Central Bank.

In fact, what should happen in a free market is that investors will find more efficient and technologically superior ways to manufacture items at a much reduced cost and still maintain their level of profitability.

In the case of the US, since more houses were being built (hence more supply) the house prices should have been left to fall till an equilibrium price is reached. True, some people in the building industry could have lost jobs and the like, but the end result would have been a more efficient market i.e the workers would have gone to other industries where their labour would have been better utilised.

So, interference in the market causes distortions that lead to malinvestment and hence booms and burst. In another thread a wazuan had challenged me that 'booms and bursts' are merely theories on shaky foundation. I think this should be a better explanation of why they do in fact happen.

For more on the Austrian School of thought visit www.mises.org



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mnandii
#39 Posted : Saturday, April 19, 2014 9:16:25 AM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
@slowsteady, congrats on your portfolio. However my long experience at the NSE has taught me that Buffet's ways do not necessarily work on this market. At the NSE the best advise is to think long term and act short term,this market can shock you with losses and gains. I have played around with Kengen from its IPO buying low selling high to move to top 500 shareholders. The price is now below the IPO price, I would have gained very little by just holding for long term.


True. In a bull market almost everyone will make money because it does not require much on the part of the investor i.e almost any stock you pick will rise in price. Contrast that to a bear market and you begin to understand more. When gold price was rising ppl were predicting 5000, 10000 dollars and many more crazy figures. And funny enough, even Central Banks were buying in anticipation of rising prices. But, alas, gold did not even reach 2000!
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
mnandii
#40 Posted : Saturday, April 19, 2014 12:28:00 PM
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Quote:
...In the language of modern monetary theory, Turgot is arguing
in this passage that money is “nonneutral” and that every injection of
new money into the economy is inevitably accompanied by “distribution
effects” or redistributions of income and wealth among individual
economic agents. This insight of Turgot’s is the starting point
of the tradition of monetary process analysis which eventually culminated
in the development of the Austrian theory of the business cycle.
One of the most important implications of this theory is that any
attempt by central banks to stabilize prices by adding to the quantity
of money through the expansion of commercial bank reserves and
business loans will invariably cause distortions of interest rates and
relative prices, malinvestment of capital, and, ultimately, economywide
recession or depression.


Money, Sound and Unsound, Joseph T. Salerno
Pg 37
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