The owners of those fake titles should be proactive and start sueing NOW.

Once the director of kevivapi said that they didn't sell any land to anyone, they should have organised got themselves a court order and sued everyone they could think of.

Instead of their 16billion being used as a4 would say to develop the pockets of the "professionals", it should be developing theirs.

Even sue the banks which have property departments that vetted that the land was genuine.

If they keep quiet, they will lose. Maybe not today, but a bulldozer is surely coming one day.

Ask Syokimau, ask the runda fellows who's houses had CLEAN titles in 1971 but find out later they were sold land on a road reserve.

Sue these "professionals" in the pockets of land grabbers or forever hold your "piece" of junk land.

Jamplu why are you trying to confuse the "innocent" investors? You know as well as I do, that if kevavapi says they did not sell land, then nssf did not buy land from them.

So who did they buy it from? Is it the "broker" you are trying to shield in this topic?

The original owner has said his land was stolen. The present owners should now sue the person who sold them the properties. Not listen to arguments of gov't vs gov't or ohh proper land use, ohh sijui nssf.

Sue the developer and the bank. Its upto the developer to go sue nssf and nssf to sue kevavapi.

Apana confuse these investors.

You have just seen what an architect will tell you as a buyer. "Its not my work to validate a title in a gov't office". Sue him too. Next time he will validate.

Lakini keeping quiet and waiting for Sonko to save you would be the dumbest investment decision they ever made.

its time Kenyans started suing and not moving on kila saa.

But in the meantime, they should be demolished.

@alma, as i said, am not an expert in land conveyancing issues so on the legality of title, i can only give my pedestrian 2 cents.

The commissioner of lands holds government land on behalf of ministries. If he decides to sell off kevevapi land, then kenyans must accept the decision and move on. If you buy the kevevapi land then carry out a search, the results show that you are the new owner and can now resell the same land. If the commissioner made errors, we have to accept them since i dont see any other practical solution to this. Its upon the government to appoint trustworthy comissioners of lands and punish them if they do wrong.

The land was originally owned by the tribal africans/kambas/maasais. It was then taken without compensation by the colonial govt. The colonial govt then resold it to white settlers or transferred the land to the kenyatta govt. The kenyatta govt held the land and transfered to the moi govt then kibaki govt. What the govt of the day decided to do with the land, and in this case commissioner of lands/president as representative, is what was legal then. Of course a lawyer would have an even better explanation regarding this.

National land commission also should step in and give us the way forward since currently, this is their docket.

@jus blazing, if you took your time to read reasons as to why relocate, you can then give a better alternative or reasons as to why not relocate.
For example, in the case of the national park, trees perform 10 times better as carbon sinks than grass. I suggested the land to be turned to low density residential with high density forest/tree cover. Give a better suggestion than this if you have then we debate it.

For JKIA, i suggested relocating to near daystar to enable security, expansion etc etc which is lacking at current location. If you have a better suggestion, give it we debate it.

on the issue of kevevapi, your suggestion to punish innocent kenyans just to serve as a lesson is fine to you but i would differ. Punishing innocent investors to me is unfair.

Please advice accordingly. Who was the seller? For you to buy land, someone must sell. Who was the seller.

Apparently the owner is claiming that he didn't sell it. So who sold it?

Again stop trying to confuse guys here.

That is the reason you sue. So that the truth sets everyone free. Right now, the owners should not trust anyone. Especially anyone who was involved in these transactions. Sue, then the truth will show itself.

There are cases where somone is allocated land illegally. he then sells it to a gov't agency. Then the gov't agency resells to the fellow's other company at a loss. Then the fellow resells the property to the silly investors.

I'll call them dumb because people have been told over and over again to walk into lands office and see the original deeds themselves.

They are not innocent. If you pay 10million for a house without a clean title, you are not innocent. you are just a dumb investor.

To avoid being dumb for too long, sue the developer and get your money back. Apana ngoja.

How can you dictate to someone how he should use his own land? And FYI Kevevapi is tasked with producing vaccines for all the livestock in the country. It's more of a pharmaceutical factory. Of course they need land to develop and test their vaccines and build their laboratories as part of their R&D. Land is also required for future expansion since these institution will still be serving the livestock sector 20, 50, 100, 200, 500yrs etc from now. The value of those vaccines to the national economy and livestock sector is worth more than those 600 houses that have been put there.
Also if the likes of Coopers, Wellcome, ILRI are also producing vaccines within the city in their huge campuses and think it's worthwhile, why not KEVEVAPI?

Couldn't agree more.

The facts are right there. If land has been acquired illegally and the original owner is complaining...

If they only read the Ndungu report all the facts are there....and these achitects, lawyers, surveyors, valuers have the report they have read it but advised thier clients to commit thiers funds to the pyramid scheme.

It is also appropriate if the heading for this topic was changed.

The value of these houses is not 16 billion.

Value is percieved and is dependant on what you could probably sell at market rates.

Right now, those houses cannot be sold. Who will this dumbiestest investor be who buys those houses now.

Those houses cannot even be sold at cost at this time.

The total value lost is exactly 0ksh.

After all, they did not own any legal title to transfer.

To show you how dumb they were. They bought a house for 10 million. but the total value of their title was 0ksh.

Tafakari hayo.

But I say they can still get their cost of 10 million back if they become proactive.

If they wait for bulldozers their value will be ksh. 0 minus the cost of their TV's, bed's, chairs etc.

I do hope one of them is reading this and doing something about it not saying. Oh we are different.