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Mt Kenya University starts medical school
nakujua
#31 Posted : Saturday, December 28, 2013 4:40:32 PM
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Ole Lenku wrote:
Amores wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
BGL wrote:
I hear to enrol for a Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery at MKU, all you need is a C+


Pray Pray They should rename the course "Bachelor of Medicine and Slaughter".

Laughing out loudly but i thought C+ is also what people need to get into parallel med course in Nrb uni as long as your cluster subject is fine? I do not get what is this dust about MKU because for example,some people went to Uni with a B and then when private unis came ,they had lower cut off points for same courses eg daystar and USIU ,right?.So the issue is not about just MKU but all universities,the standards are wanting. From students copying exams,to paying people to do their projects,to offering inapppriate learning. Modes for courses that need handson/practical work etc

Nairobi uni? No chance with a C+. An A- would be lucky and even then they must have flawless math, sciences and languages. Parallel for UON Med is fiercely competitive.

aiii!! how sure are you ? ama you are talking about the jab admittance.
Ole Lenku
#32 Posted : Saturday, December 28, 2013 4:46:18 PM
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nakujua wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
Amores wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
BGL wrote:
I hear to enrol for a Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery at MKU, all you need is a C+


Pray Pray They should rename the course "Bachelor of Medicine and Slaughter".

Laughing out loudly but i thought C+ is also what people need to get into parallel med course in Nrb uni as long as your cluster subject is fine? I do not get what is this dust about MKU because for example,some people went to Uni with a B and then when private unis came ,they had lower cut off points for same courses eg daystar and USIU ,right?.So the issue is not about just MKU but all universities,the standards are wanting. From students copying exams,to paying people to do their projects,to offering inapppriate learning. Modes for courses that need handson/practical work etc

Nairobi uni? No chance with a C+. An A- would be lucky and even then they must have flawless math, sciences and languages. Parallel for UON Med is fiercely competitive.

aiii!! how sure are you ? ama you are talking about the jab admittance.

Very sure, UoN has a very good Medicine program with worldwide recognition. It also has better equipment and very accomplished lecturers compared to the others. I assure you getting admission is very hard.
The Clown
#33 Posted : Saturday, December 28, 2013 5:32:10 PM
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Ole Lenku wrote:
nakujua wrote:
Ole Lenku wrote:
Amores wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
BGL wrote:
I hear to enrol for a Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery at MKU, all you need is a C+


Pray Pray They should rename the course "Bachelor of Medicine and Slaughter".

Laughing out loudly but i thought C+ is also what people need to get into parallel med course in Nrb uni as long as your cluster subject is fine? I do not get what is this dust about MKU because for example,some people went to Uni with a B and then when private unis came ,they had lower cut off points for same courses eg daystar and USIU ,right?.So the issue is not about just MKU but all universities,the standards are wanting. From students copying exams,to paying people to do their projects,to offering inapppriate learning. Modes for courses that need handson/practical work etc

Nairobi uni? No chance with a C+. An A- would be lucky and even then they must have flawless math, sciences and languages. Parallel for UON Med is fiercely competitive.

aiii!! how sure are you ? ama you are talking about the jab admittance.

Very sure, UoN has a very good Medicine program with worldwide recognition. It also has better equipment and very accomplished lecturers compared to the others. I assure you getting admission is very hard.


Ole Lenku, this is debatable. In recent years the quality of the graduates from UoN medical school has come down somewhat. Perhaps this is due to admission of too many students into the program.

A few years ago the medical boards of East Africa evaluated their medical schools and UoN wasn't even top in Kenya. They used very stringent criteria e.g. lec/student ratio, facilities, qualifications of staff (Masters and PhDs), quality of academic publications, student experience and impact on local communities among others.

As far as lecturer's accomplishments, Aga Khan, UoN and Moi medical schools are around the same level.

The other upcoming universities are further back but they'll develop themselves in time.

But I agree with you on one thing: competition for admission into UoN medical school is fierce. It is 'The' university after all.
washiku
#34 Posted : Saturday, December 28, 2013 7:43:18 PM
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I think such initiatives should be encouraged instead of looking down on them. There is no way the quality we would want to see in such facilities would be achieved if they dont start off in the first place. Instead of our patients going to India and taking all that money there, local investments should be encouraged and strict measures put in place to ensure quality n continuous research. If more n more such investments are done, there is also a chance cost will come down n quality increase due to competition.

Well done MKU for starting the way.
jaggernaut
#35 Posted : Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:00:10 PM
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The Clown wrote:
jguru wrote:
Which hospital is MKU using for training medical students?

With the billions they have so far charged in fees, do they plan to build their own teaching hospital or their grandiose plan is to use Thika Level 5 Hospital to teach undergraduate medicine and surgery for 6 years?

The Medical Board declined to register medical students from Kenyatta University, the same might happen to MKU, Egerton, KEMU and Maseno who recently started teaching medicine.

It's all about the 500k+ in school fees that parallel medicine students pay for tuition. Nothing about churning quality well-trained doctors.

Sad


This is where I disagree with our professional registration boards. Why should they wait for a university to launch a course and admit students before denying registration to the students?

On top of this, the medical board's website lists KU medical school as an approved medical training institution but MKU's isn't anywhere to be seen. RINK

I have seen that maseno, jkuat, egerton, kemu are approved. Also Uzima university. So where is this Uzima, coz i have never heard of it?
washiku
#36 Posted : Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:09:09 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
The Clown wrote:
jguru wrote:
Which hospital is MKU using for training medical students?

With the billions they have so far charged in fees, do they plan to build their own teaching hospital or their grandiose plan is to use Thika Level 5 Hospital to teach undergraduate medicine and surgery for 6 years?

The Medical Board declined to register medical students from Kenyatta University, the same might happen to MKU, Egerton, KEMU and Maseno who recently started teaching medicine.

It's all about the 500k+ in school fees that parallel medicine students pay for tuition. Nothing about churning quality well-trained doctors.

Sad


This is where I disagree with our professional registration boards. Why should they wait for a university to launch a course and admit students before denying registration to the students?

On top of this, the medical board's website lists KU medical school as an approved medical training institution but MKU's isn't anywhere to be seen. RINK

I have seen that maseno, jkuat, egerton, kemu are approved. Also Uzima university. So where is this Uzima, coz i have never heard of it?


Its in Kisumu. Was started by Kisumu Arch-Diocese Catholic Church.
mawinder
#37 Posted : Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:09:09 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
The Clown wrote:
jguru wrote:
Which hospital is MKU using for training medical students?

With the billions they have so far charged in fees, do they plan to build their own teaching hospital or their grandiose plan is to use Thika Level 5 Hospital to teach undergraduate medicine and surgery for 6 years?

The Medical Board declined to register medical students from Kenyatta University, the same might happen to MKU, Egerton, KEMU and Maseno who recently started teaching medicine.

It's all about the 500k+ in school fees that parallel medicine students pay for tuition. Nothing about churning quality well-trained doctors.

Sad


This is where I disagree with our professional registration boards. Why should they wait for a university to launch a course and admit students before denying registration to the students?

On top of this, the medical board's website lists KU medical school as an approved medical training institution but MKU's isn't anywhere to be seen. RINK

I have seen that maseno, jkuat, egerton, kemu are approved. Also Uzima university. So where is this Uzima, coz i have never heard of it?

I would rather be trated by a clinical officer from |KMTC than such fellows.
kiterunner
#38 Posted : Monday, December 30, 2013 2:31:37 AM
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mawinder wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
The Clown wrote:
jguru wrote:
Which hospital is MKU using for training medical students?

With the billions they have so far charged in fees, do they plan to build their own teaching hospital or their grandiose plan is to use Thika Level 5 Hospital to teach undergraduate medicine and surgery for 6 years?

The Medical Board declined to register medical students from Kenyatta University, the same might happen to MKU, Egerton, KEMU and Maseno who recently started teaching medicine.

It's all about the 500k+ in school fees that parallel medicine students pay for tuition. Nothing about churning quality well-trained doctors.

Sad


This is where I disagree with our professional registration boards. Why should they wait for a university to launch a course and admit students before denying registration to the students?



On top of this, the medical board's website lists KU medical school as an approved medical training institution but MKU's isn't anywhere to be seen. RINK

I have seen that maseno, jkuat, egerton, kemu are approved. Also Uzima university. So where is this Uzima, coz i have never heard of it?

I would rather be trated by a clinical officer from |KMTC than such fellows.




I think this is a very good development for Kenya. The shortage for docotrs and other trained medical personnel is acute. One of the problems is the misplaced assumption that only A+ students can hack it in medical school and make good doctors. The fact is medicine as a whole is learnt by experience (apprenticeship) after medical school that is why a CO from KMTC who had a C- and 10 years expereince in a good hospital may treat you better than your A+ fresh graduate from med school. In my opinion for the few doctors we have to stop seeing themselves as demi-gods, students with less accomplished qualifications have to enroll and beat them at it.

FYI I know a parallel student that enrolled 2012 with B plain at UoN

I hope in future every county will turn their main public hospital into a referral and teaching hospital so as to fill the gap of required medical professionals not just for Kenya but the world a la Philippines
our goals are best achieved indirectly
Mukiri
#39 Posted : Monday, December 30, 2013 2:51:46 AM
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kiterunner wrote:
I think this is a very good development for Kenya. The shortage for docotrs and other trained medical personnel is acute. One of the problems is the misplaced assumption that only A+ students can hack it in medical school and make good doctors. The fact is medicine as a whole is learnt by experience (apprenticeship) after medical school that is why a CO from KMTC who had a C- and 10 years expereince in a good hospital may treat you better than your A+ fresh graduate from med school. In my opinion for the few doctors we have to stop seeing themselves as demi-gods, students with less accomplished qualifications have to enroll and beat them at it.

FYI I know a parallel student that enrolled 2012 with B plain at UoN

I hope in future every county will turn their main public hospital into a referral and teaching hospital so as to fill the gap of required medical professionals not just for Kenya but the world a la Philippines

Applause Applause Applause I said something similar and some character got agitated. There is too much doctor-worship. Anyone with the passion and drive necessary, can make a doctor. Irrespective of their grades. Infact, the hardworking, out-to-prove-a-point C student might end up being a better doctor than your arrogant, conceited A student.

Its also about time we embraced miti-shamba doctors and alternative treatment regimes. Conventional doctors are all about popping pills. I sometimes wonder about people, if you pop a pill, but continue doing what you have been doing(thats if you don't know what gave you the disease in the first place)... what makes you think you'll get different results. Drug-resistant mutation pap!

Proverbs 19:21
poundfoolish
#40 Posted : Monday, December 30, 2013 6:28:38 AM
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People can be daft... or should i say challenged in matters history. Ati Public universities laughed at Havard... ABK!!! nkt!!!

I am generally concerned about the quality of graduates in all our institutions.. and i just wonder. if facilities and lectures are such crap in established universities. how good or bad are they in commercial ones?

as for A students C student arguments....
Two children from same village/town with equal chances.. wewe ulianguka kcpe.. kisha ukaanguka kcse.. what the heck makes you think you can grasp medicine/law/engineering after 12years of schooling simply because a university has opened up taking D students for medicine....
What happened to you? brain transplant?
lets accept natural merit, learn to respect diversity and stick to our lanes.
We dont see doctors begging to be Marigas and Oliechs.. infact they wear jerseys with their names and throng bars over weekends to watch not so booksmart sportsmen do their thing on the pitch.
why is it that C students, in Kenya specifically, all of a sudden feel they can be neurosurgeons with admissions to commercial colleges... ?
The only country ive heard where exams dont determine your uni course is Denmark.. but they have excellent facilities and standardised education, children pick their path as early as basic school.. and yet still, its by natural selection that those who end up doing traditional courses like law n medics are the A students.
What we should discourage is forcing every A student to do these traditional courses. not all want to be docs n lawyers.. there are good kindregarden teachers in there with a passion for it..

Nooo!! NO!! NO! to each his own.. and we are different..
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