@ wakanyugi

you crack me up big time. I think that was a great attempt at making the bible relevant to our society. How many christians still read the original King James Version of the bible? If you are reading a simpler version to understand,have you cheapened Gods word? Have the bible translators given God a helping hand He does not need by coming up with different versions to suit diffferent societies and languages?

How will they get saved except by hearing,and by that,hearing the word of God? How will they hear the word of God if they dont come to church?


Rather than spending all your time reading about the future and trying to figure the nuances of what is it might hold,may be you should spend at least as much time getting to know Him better (David Jeremiah)

@Kaigangio

I can hear you loud and clear.What you are trying to put a cross is correct.Lemme say that am not being economical with info,its only that am always a bit hesitant in making some comments.

Honestly,about my experience during that service is that i was floating and i that that this could have been due to the generational gap.Hope you can hear me well.But then am still not able to judge coz i do not know which kind of fruits that they do bear outside there.You know that the bible tells us that we shall know them by the fruits that they bear.

For you who need to know the right church to join,you just need to inquire from the Lord and He will direct to perfectly.Do not just wake up in the morning and walk into any Church before praying ablout it.If you request for our opinions the way Ali did then we will give you various suggestions but remember Gods opinion is always the best.Finally,wherever you go,please note that Church members there are human being and you will encounter some difficulties in one way or the other.By that i mean that there is no perfect church just the same way we do not have a perfect human being.Only God is perfect.

With that i do not mean that we should compromise to sin at any way at any cost.We serve a holy God and we must be Holy.We also have to appreciate the fact that what is outside reflects what is inside.People should look at and see Jesus in us.We should not please men but God only.It is the Jesus in us who should attract people not any other thing.We should be prepered mon to sun,24/7 and not on just paricular day.

I have a real life story when it comes to holiness and the church and the victims had to quit the church.Am not happy that they left us but we couldnt compromise.A lady was to divorce her husband coz of poverty and marry another in the same church and the wedding was already arranged,we had to say a big NO,things doesnt work like that.i was hated and they even threatened to take me to court coz of that.I remember telling them to go a head,the God who saved Paul and Silas from the Jail would have saved me.But then,they opted to disappear in thin air.

The question to ponder,should we have millions of members in the church who are going nowhere or have as few pple as possibe who shall make it to heaven?


Without Holiness no man shall see God.Dear God,mould me to be a vessel of honour at this End times,to remain Obedient to your Word in all situations.Amen!

'Manze kwani what kind of God is this who has become outdated.. obsolete..and irrelevant to these puny things He created?'

@Jammo

Your rant reminds me of the the bible thumping Christianity that repelled me. The carrot and stick God of worship me or else...

Have you ever wondered why JC did not start his own church? He could have. Or why he did not condemn the K-street girl. Or why he scattered his disciples to the four winds rather that incoporate 'Holier than Thou Ltd' complete with preferential shares in heaven as some preachers would like us to believe today?

You speak of a changing God as if it is the greatest abomination that could ever happen. Who created change? And how many times has Christianity changed? In fact the good thing with Mavuno type change is that it is being brought about by its own practitioners - the owners as it were.
The council of Nicaea,which compiled the Bible and created the Christian dogma you seem to think should never change,was convened by politicians.

Don't get me started.

@Jammo
Mos mos Jaduong. I do tend to get carried away myself,the church/god/Christianity et al being the one subject capable of pushing my buttons,although I belong/believe to/in neither.

The co-option of Christianity by secularism is not a bad thing in my mind. Think about it - in the early days the message of JC needed a vehicle in order to propagate. The organization of the Church,which Paul and Peter invented - love it or hate it - provided that vehicle and changed the message for ever. It seems to me that the message is in need of a new vehicle today and commercial secularism could be it. After all,the biggest religion on earth today is not Christianity. It is shopping.

I don't know if Christianity is cool or has ever been.

But I can say for a fact that JC has always been cool. Do you remember the hippie movement? The reformed Marxism or,more recently,liberation theology? They all borrowed from the image of a JC who kicks butt,especially where injustice is concerned. Even the Che Guevara cult has benefited from the image of a JC type hero who wears a black beret and packs an AK47 on behalf of the oppressed.

When I was a teenager there was popular line of open shoes that we called 'Tu-Jesus.' To this day Lloyd Webber’s 'Jesus Christ Superstar' (Mavuno should screen it one day) remains my greatest musical of all time.

So when I go to church and see that fellow foaming at the mouth,trying to scare me to God even as he pretends to speak for Christ,I can not understand what he is talking about. And I am not alone. Thanks to brave pioneers like Mavuno,the youth of today have an alternative that does not include rebelling from the God of their parents.

JC has always appealed to young people. It is the elders who don't get it.

Don’t forget to have a wonderful Christmas with your loved ones (none secular or not).

I would like to invite you Fundaah for a sermon at mavuno before you judge. In fact,this sunday 28th is a thanksgiving service. Come and hear how people have drawn closer to God through being members at Mavuno. Again,let me restate though its been said several times before,Mavuno is about changing the way Christianity / God is packaged. The bible and God remain the same as they have always been. Think of it this way,even coporations relaunch their brands to make them more stylish and appealing to a younger generation,but the product remains the same. Jesus tells us that our primary role as Christians is to spread the word of God............... by whatever means. Even Paul did not stop those who were preaching against him and telling lies..... as long as Christ was preached. Once the person has come to church and heard the message,its up to them to decide whether to follow the way of Christ or not.

I had a shock the other day. Someone told me that church is not so much for me the already converted but is for those who are not converted. If I am a Christian,I have my bible study group for fellowship and shariing and have my daily Quiet Time to learn and be taught by the creator Himself,examine what I hear in church and seek God daily. So really,its not about church conforming to my Christian tastes but its about creating a church and being a person, that will appeal(by having christ qualities) to the unconverted that they may come and hear and decide for themselves.

Rather than spending all your time reading about the future and trying to figure the nuances of what is it might hold,may be you should spend at least as much time getting to know Him better (David Jeremiah)