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L'e Mac - The First Residential Skycrapper in Kenya..
jaggernaut
#61 Posted : Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:55:48 PM
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Seles83 wrote:
QD wrote:
Jamani wrote:
Seles83 wrote:
Talking about one bedroom, at KES 15 million is it value for money?

What would be the fair price?


With that money you can get a 3 bedroom apartment within the vicinity. It is not fair value based on the current market, there are better options.
On the other hand the current returns for rent on a one bedroom apartment will not march the investment


Having decipered the kind of target market then your question is somewhat misplaced, is it value for money for you and me? the genuin answer is NObut to the target market may be yes my be no.


It will be really hard to make an objective comparison...According to some valuers, they say such a building will attract a premium of 20-30% above the current market rates..for rents..


Assuming the market ROI of 7%, it means a rent of KES 87,500pm for the 1br property costing 15m. Adding the premium of 30% gives a figure of 114,000pm. Thus the rent for a 1br should be a minimum of KES 120,000 per month.
Seles83
#62 Posted : Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:54:00 PM
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I read somewhere 1bdr furnished expected to fetch over 150k .. The 20k plus monthly service charge is big hustle
More monies, more problems...
Jamani
#63 Posted : Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:00:58 PM
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The world's luxury residential property markets fluctuated in 2011, with some, like Miami and London, recording major gains and others, like Singapore and Sydney, falling significantly.

But the city with the highest rate of growth in luxury real estate prices in 2010 wasn't a Chinese boomtown or European safe haven, but Nairobi, the capital of Kenya, according to a new wealth report from Knight Frank and Citi Private Wealth.

The study found that prices for high-end real estate in Nairobi jumped 25 percent in 2011. And the Kenyan Coast recorded the second highest growth, with a price jump of 20 percent. Miami came in third, with a price increase of 19.1 percent for luxury real estate, according to the study.

Ironically, some of the largest price drops were in places with the strongest economic growth, likely due to the ongoing impact of the financial crisis and the end of price booms in Asia.

So why the record growth in Nairobi? The report, which calls the increase "startling," explains:

http://www.globalpost.co...ry-real-estate-prices-th
Seles83
#64 Posted : Wednesday, September 26, 2012 7:33:45 AM
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Really sad that struggling families and individual are locked out in rat race.

One of the well written articles by people..who understand the true struggle of Kenyans..

http://www.standardmedia...=2000062652&pageNo=1
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Seles83
#65 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:35:46 AM
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Why a condo is so expensive compared with a house?

Real Estate Investing Questions
Answers.com > Wiki Answers > Categories > Business & Finance > Real Estate > Real Estate Investing
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(1) Many condos are are more likely to be newer and have newer finishes/appliances/floorplans. Many people are willing to spend a lot on these shiny things.
(2) With a condo, the exterior and common spaces are maintained by the condo association (for a price). This is an added convenience that many are willing to pay for.

(3) Although expensive for their size, condos are still cheaper than a full-sized house in similar location and finish quality. Because more people can afford them, demand is higher and therefore price.

(4) It is utterly baffling and I can't understand it. Each one must come with a hidden pot of gold because people spend SO MUCH MORE for so much less. And it's not just true for well located condos, or beautiful ones, or ones in buildings with amenities or doormen.

http://wiki.answers.com/...ve_compared_with_a_house
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Jamani
#66 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:50:06 PM
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Quoted from DN
Masumbi started:
(Those saying the boom is here to stay) remind me of one Dr Lawrence Yun, who was the chief economist, National Association of Realtors, in the US during the inflation and the eventual collapse of the housing boom. He was the cheerleader per excellence on perpetual rise in housing prices even as late as 2007, when even a fool knew that the housing market was rigged by banksters. Middle-class incomes in Kenya cannot support the kind of prices and interest rates that are charged for houses in the leafy suburbs of Nairobi. Prices for condos and apartments in areas like Kilimani, Kileleshwa, and Westlands are higher than in some major cities in the US, dollar for dollar. We will soon find out who will be left holding the bag when the music finally stops.
Seles83
#67 Posted : Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:31:19 AM
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Time has a way of proving us wrong or right..

With 19% to 15% mortgage..a crush is nowhere insight...keep dreaming..

BTW..you dont have to live in Westlands or Kilimani..stay where you can afford...
More monies, more problems...
Jamani
#68 Posted : Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:15:15 AM
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@ Seles83, I dont understand why you take it personal rather than a health discussion, kindly find the full details of the discussion in DN Link.... to come to your level I live in Westlands with several apartments in Kilimini
Seles83
#69 Posted : Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:20:22 AM
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Eventually the society balances itself..Rich, Middle Class, poor suburbs..Nothing is constant...one can move from poor suburbs to Rich suburbs and vice verse..

Comparing US housing Market with Kenya..is like comparing Communism and capitalism...
More monies, more problems...
Mukiri
#70 Posted : Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:50:35 AM
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Interesting thread. I'm glad I'm not caught up in the hype that is middle class and hence the rat race

Proverbs 19:21
dunkang
#71 Posted : Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:11:04 AM
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Seles83 wrote:
Eventually the society balances itself..Rich, Middle Class, poor suburbs..Nothing is constant...one can move from poor suburbs to Rich suburbs and vice verse..

Comparing US housing Market with Kenya..is like comparing Communism and capitalism...


@Seles, just ignore the naysayers. Continue roofing that unit you were developing, there always buyers, after all people are been born, middle class is growing etc. Buyers are always there, but will buy at HALF PRICE. Laughing out loudly
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

Jamani
#72 Posted : Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:55:07 AM
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@dunkang---- Reminds of (Dr Lawrence Yun) Buyers are always there.........but will buy at HALF PRICE opss!
sungura2005
#73 Posted : Thursday, December 06, 2012 5:55:50 PM
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A horrible place to live. Noise, traffic, pollution, hawkers. You need a large affordable gated community in the outskirts where you and your kids can walk, jog, and ride bikes without being knocked down by motorists who have no manners. You want your kids to play football on grass, not on concrete or tarmac. You want to throw a barbecue + drinks for your pals in your back lawn. You want a traffic-free commute to work and school. I live in Westlands and can't wait to get the hell out.
Ali Baba
#74 Posted : Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:09:49 PM
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I agree 100% with SUNGURA.I can't live in a sky-CRAPper!!! I need more space for jogging,barbecue....etc
itz
#75 Posted : Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:30:42 PM
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sungura2005 wrote:
A horrible place to live. Noise, traffic, pollution, hawkers. You need a large affordable gated community in the outskirts where you and your kids can walk, jog, and ride bikes without being knocked down by motorists who have no manners. You want your kids to play football on grass, not on concrete or tarmac. You want to throw a barbecue + drinks for your pals in your back lawn. You want a traffic-free commute to work and school. I live in Westlands and can't wait to get the hell out.


@sungura. what areas would you consider moving to in order to have more space.Does a place like edenville or ams development on kiambu rd interest you
sungura2005
#76 Posted : Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:31:39 PM
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Ali Baba wrote:
I agree 100% with SUNGURA.I can't live in a sky-CRAPper!!! I need more space for jogging,barbecue....etc


Kwanza this development just copy pasted from the developed world where:

1. There are plenty of rich locals and expatriates who don't want kids. In Kenya relatives will nag you non-stop to get married and have many kids lol.

2. There's excellent public transport (underground trains) to support high-density housing. The traffic all these new flats are creating in Nairobi is horrific.
sungura2005
#77 Posted : Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:33:43 PM
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itz wrote:
sungura2005 wrote:
A horrible place to live. Noise, traffic, pollution, hawkers. You need a large affordable gated community in the outskirts where you and your kids can walk, jog, and ride bikes without being knocked down by motorists who have no manners. You want your kids to play football on grass, not on concrete or tarmac. You want to throw a barbecue + drinks for your pals in your back lawn. You want a traffic-free commute to work and school. I live in Westlands and can't wait to get the hell out.


@sungura. what areas would you consider moving to in order to have move space.Does a place like edenville or ams development on kiambu rd interest you


Edenville is really nice for kids (and adults). Once I sell my digs, I'll move there. The commute is short.
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