wazua Fri, May 15, 2026
Welcome Guest Search | Active Topics | Log In

6 Pages«<23456>
Another grenade attack in Mombasa
jamplu
#31 Posted : Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:03:03 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 3/25/2010
Posts: 939
Location: Nai
hamburglar wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
murchr wrote:
I miss Ali..shoot to kill would really come in handy at a time like this

Ali and Michuki were demonised for the Mungiki and PEV operations. I supported them coz when all sense escapes and all you have is murderous crowds a few bullets have to be used to bring sense



Dude, if you use bullets, then the cycle continues...You kill them and they retaliate and before you know it, we have a full-fledged religious war in our hands....That's not how you deal with this thing....Mungikis deserved to be killed because they were gangsters that nobody supported, but in this case, we would be fighting an ideology with a lot of backing, sometimes irrational, a religion that has some very bad elements....Through history, we all know how futile fighting a religion is, it never ends well....So, my point is, the Kenya government should not approach this issue like they did the Mungiki with guns ablaze, that would be the beginning of a Boko Haram movement in our backyard that will never end in our lifetime, only precious lives will be lost....

I will venture out and suggest a very unpopular idea on how to get this resolved....I think it's time to put the religious egos aside and have a very very candid dialogue....Al Shabab leaders and representatives from the Kenya government need to sit down and talk about a resolution and a peaceful way forward...The talks need to be civil, cordial, respectful and firm.....An eye for an eye has never been the answer...Look at how many years the US government has been fighting terrorists for....They still have a fight in their hands to date and thousands of lives have been needlessly lost in the process...Why? because the US has a superiority complex and the Muslim fundamentalists are out to prove a point, whatever that point may be....They will never end this war...It's Iraq today then in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban tomorrow, then they almost inevitably will invade Iran and a showdown with Pakistan is looming in the future....Millions of lives are being lost at every "war"......For what???? To satisfy their religious egos???? To prove whose religion is better???? It's absurd, it's sad, it's despicable and defies all logic....Sometimes it’s okay to just say yes so as to get rid of a bad situation….Taking a stance and not willing to compromise always gets ugly….If the Muslims want us out of Somalia, then let’s get out and mind our own business, but agree with them that they also need to respect us and leave us alone…We can co-exist on mutual respect if the egos are set aside….I would venture to say that the world needs to rid itself of religions but I know that would be a pipe dream....Pigs will fly before that ever happens so we’ll not go down that route…..But that would be blissful in my eyes...

Kenya is in a very precarious position right now...A couple of bad moves and we have a war with Islamist fundamentalists and as we all know, these fundamentalists have a lot of sympathisers and support from far and wide....We would essentially be in a war with Islam and some Islam countries might decide to help their brothers.....Not a good situation to be against.....Violence is for weak minded people, people who can't reason beyond their religious beliefs....Dialogue and reason will always be the peaceful way to resolve conflict....If we apply Michuki and Ali rules then we will be inviting a religious war with open hands.....Maybe it's time we reasoned with our heads instead of reasoning with our fists.....I might be going out on a limb here, but I would rather have a peaceful dialogue in a room than watch our people die over some BS that can be avoided.....


the kind of solution you are suggesting can only work in an ideal world and that world is yet to come. You are dealing with organized criminals who only hide behind religion but its all business they tax people, hijack ships, export charcoal etc. ... is all that ideological? We are in this situation because of people like you who think peace only comes through compromise start compromising with them and they will hoist their flag on top of mount Kenya.
Peace has a price... you can either be bold and pay it by sacrificing your comfort money and brave souls or by being a slave of your enemies.
hamburglar
#32 Posted : Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:07:37 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 12/17/2011
Posts: 887
Rubbish. The state is sovereign has the means and duty to keep thebpeace at any cost. We err in assuming that these are criminals. They are terrlorists out to kill all kuffar and have a state that is all Islamic. What agenda would the govt put forward? The'se guys are outsmarting our security agents effectively cloudi ng terrorism Wwith criminality.
[/quote]


That cost happens to be lives.....try and employ your head when trying to reason, violence should never ever ever ever be a means to find a resolution.....

These guys that you call terrorists out to kill all kuffars are human beings before they are terrorists....Anybody can be reasoned with, it's this ego like the one you are displaying here of an eye fo an eye mentality that will keep this world in a perpetual religious war...Even Bin Laden told the young muslims to pursue an education and better themselves....That shows that the man at some point had a propensity for reasoning and maybe, just maybe if everybody (The US and Bin Laden) was not so keen on proving who had the bigger penis, a lot of deaths could have been averted...

I don't understand people sometimes, why does everything have to be about violence????

Dude, at all costs means lives lost for a long long long time..You think us using force will make things better????Are you for real???/It will only make what we are now seeing look like child play because these people once they feel ltheir religions has been disrepscted, they are relentless and irrational..Why don't you see what's going on in Nigeria first before you come here thumping your chest and asking people's children to kill each other while you are safely tucked away and hiding behind your computer....
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#33 Posted : Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:11:33 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2010
Posts: 2,225
Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
@Rahatupu so true! Im challenging any muslim here to come out in the open & tell us that the Abuja declaration on the agenda to Islamarise Africa & introduce sharia law by,i think,2020 is false.
That's why they are burning churches,to them,these are the obstacles/hinderances to their 2020 sharia law goal & has very little to do with the death of that luhya guy!! At times i think we would have been better off with our African traditions/religion To date,i love & im soo proud of my Kikuyu religion.In times of persistent drought,these guys would take a ram without blemish & offer it as a sacrifice on the mountain and they would say a lil prayer(not the shouting that i see in our modern churches). Im told(coz unlike the Jewish tradition,ours wasnt written on manuscripts) that by the time they were leaving to go back to their homesteads,it would be raining!! Now that's what i call true religion. Not killing people left right & centre on behalf of your god,who by the way is supposed to be strong enough to atleast fight for himself!
#stay tunedsmile
@SufficientlyP
jamplu
#34 Posted : Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:21:21 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 3/25/2010
Posts: 939
Location: Nai
hamburglar wrote:

Rubbish. The state is sovereign has the means and duty to keep thebpeace at any cost. We err in assuming that these are criminals. They are terrlorists out to kill all kuffar and have a state that is all Islamic. What agenda would the govt put forward? The'se guys are outsmarting our security agents effectively cloudi ng terrorism Wwith criminality.



That cost happens to be lives.....try and employ your head when trying to reason, violence should never ever ever ever be a means to find a resolution.....

These guys that you call terrorists out to kill all kuffars are human beings before they are terrorists....Anybody can be reasoned with, it's this ego like the one you are displaying here of an eye fo an eye mentality that will keep this world in a perpetual religious war...Even Bin Laden told the young muslims to pursue an education and better themselves....That shows that the man at some point had a propensity for reasoning and maybe, just maybe if everybody (The US and Bin Laden) was not so keen on proving who had the bigger penis, a lot of deaths could have been averted...

I don't understand people sometimes, why does everything have to be about violence????

Dude, at all costs means lives lost for a long long long time..You think us using force will make things better????Are you for real???/It will only make what we are now seeing look like child play because these people once they feel ltheir religions has been disrepscted, they are relentless and irrational..Why don't you see what's going on in Nigeria first before you come here thumping your chest....
[/quote]

@hamburglar which planet are you from seriously? your argument about religion,peace and freedom makes me think that you are extraterrestrial.

newfarer
#35 Posted : Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:26:34 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2010
Posts: 3,505
Location: Uganda
essyk wrote:
newfarer wrote:

elim pentecostal church was my church in the nineties.

What happened to Elim Pentecostal?I missed the news.
It was also my church when we grew up.
The old mzungu pastor! rem him? sickler.


yees is he alive
punda amecheka
hamburglar
#36 Posted : Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:55:29 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 12/17/2011
Posts: 887

@hamburglar which planet are you from seriously? your argument about religion,peace and freedom makes me think that you are extraterrestrial.

[/quote]


I am from the planet where people use reason and logic....We have all these stupid issues around the world because people have decided not to use their heads anymore.....Religion is the single worst thing in this world and that's why I hate it with a passion.
essyk
#37 Posted : Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:09:43 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 11/15/2011
Posts: 4,518
newfarer wrote:
essyk wrote:
newfarer wrote:

elim pentecostal church was my church in the nineties.

What happened to Elim Pentecostal?I missed the news.
It was also my church when we grew up.
The old mzungu pastor! rem him? sickler.


yees is he alive


He died.u hvnt told me wht hpned.
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
hamburglar
#38 Posted : Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:13:16 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 12/17/2011
Posts: 887
the kind of solution you are suggesting can only work in an ideal world and that world is yet to come. You are dealing with organized criminals who only hide behind religion but its all business they tax people, hijack ships, export charcoal etc. ... is all that ideological? We are in this situation because of people like you who think peace only comes through compromise start compromising with them and they will hoist their flag on top of mount Kenya.
Peace has a price... you can either be bold and pay it by sacrificing your comfort money and brave souls or by being a slave of your enemies. [/quote]


I am not that naive, I understand that my kind of thinking can only work in an ideal world...Granted...But what's preventing us from pursuing that ideal world? Egos and religions...People have refused to admit that religion and egos are bad for humanity...People know this fact, it's right in front of their eyes, we see the ills of religion everyday but people choose to bury their heads in the sand and resort to violence to try and get things resolved...We know what this is, it's a religious war and it's pitting two stubborn religions against each other....Religious people don't want to confront the truth, I have even been banned from contributing on religious threads right here on wazua, so you can see just how detrimental and brainwashing religion is even here on wazua...You can't reason with religion and that's why we need to confront this issue for what it is.....

Religions will always compete for superiority, stupidity at it's best, it's like you get a prize for being the superior religion....They are both silly at the end of the day, so the winner is a loser anyway..The "winner" is like being the coolest kid with down syndrome, freaking eh...Once we address this issue and try to get rid of religion, we might have a more ideal world....Scandinavian countries, Switzerland, Austria, France, Canada and countries like that are all peaceful countries, why? because religion is those countries is almost extinct, with countries like Norway leading the way with a less than 30% religious rate......Meanwhile, The US, the Middle East and Africa are perpetually in confilct and at war, what's the common denominator in these countries? Right, religion... some of these countries like Pakistan and Nigeria are almost 97% religious, and almost 100% in religious turmoil.....Do you really have to be a rocket scientist to see the correlation????...Religion surpresses common sense
murchr
#39 Posted : Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:23:54 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
hamburglar wrote:

the kind of solution you are suggesting can only work in an ideal world and that world is yet to come. You are dealing with organized criminals who only hide behind religion but its all business they tax people, hijack ships, export charcoal etc. ... is all that ideological? We are in this situation because of people like you who think peace only comes through compromise start compromising with them and they will hoist their flag on top of mount Kenya.
Peace has a price... you can either be bold and pay it by sacrificing your comfort money and brave souls or by being a slave of your enemies.



I am not that naive, I understand that my kind of thinking can only work in an ideal world...Granted...But what's preventing us from pursuing that ideal world? Egos and religions...People have refused to admit that religion and egos are bad for humanity...People know this fact, it's right in front of their eyes, we see the ills of religion everyday but people choose to bury their heads in the sand and resort to violence to try and get things resolved...We know what this is, it's a religious war and it's pitting two stubborn religions against each other....Religious people don't want to confront the truth, I have even been banned from contributing on religious threads right here on wazua, so you can see just how detrimental and brainwashing religion is even here on wazua...You can't reason with religion and that's why we need to confront this issue for what it is.....

Religions will always compete for superiority, stupidity at it's best, it's like you get a prize for being the superior religion....They are both silly at the end of the day, so the winner is a loser anyway...Once we address this issue and try to get rid of religion, we might have a more ideal world....Scandinavian countries, Switzerland, Austria, France, Canada and countries like that are all peaceful countries, why? because religion is those countries is almost extinct, with countries like Norway leading the way with a less than 30% religious rate......Meanwhile, The US, the Middle East and Africa are perpetually in confilct and at war, what's the common denominator in these countries? Right, religion... some of these countries like Pakistan and Nigeria are almost 97% religious, and almost 100% in religious turmoil.....Do you really have to be a rocket scientist to see the correlation
?[/quote]


There is no room for compromises. They should respect the law of the land or cease to exist in our borders
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
.
hamburglar
#40 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:02:55 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 12/17/2011
Posts: 887
There is no room for compromises. They should respect the law of the land or cease to exist in our borders [/quote]


Then in that case be ready for a long long long religious war and plenty of lost lives....There is always room for compromise, that's what reasoning heads do...These guys are relentless, once we stoop down to their level and engage them in a war, it's never going to end...We can use all the force we want but they will keep coming right back and bombing shit until there is no more shit to bomb......If that's what Kenya wants then the stage has been set..Waafrika wana akili ndogo sana...

Remember, we are not fighting Mungiki, we are fighting Islamist fundamentalists who are irrational and willing to die for their religion....It will never end, everyday a new zealot is born, they come a dime a dozen and that's why we are setting ourselves up for a long battle which will never be won....Even the US forces decided to leave Somalia after they discovered, albeit a little too late, that they were fighting a losing battle....We have co-existed with Somalia as neighbors for centuries, if we were able to leave peacefully with each other before, we can do it again....We just need to re-address the values that made us co-exist as neighbors in the past and get back to that....

Something has to give, otherwise the back and forth bombings and kilings and stupidity will never end if status quo is maintained. Again, this is not Mungiki we are fighting, these are Islamic criminals that have support from their equally stupid fundamentalists brothers in Pakistan and Iran etc...
6 Pages«<23456>
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Copyright © 2026 Wazua.co.ke. All Rights Reserved.