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CIC by yaserbigchair
hisah
#61 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:14:00 PM
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total demand - 2,769,500 vs total supply - 3,757,300
Current VWAP @4.25/-

The supply overhang is getting cleared and the supply dislocation is down to 1.37 times rather than the Friday factor which was almost 20 times. But still too early to tell after 4 trading days.

I'll get interested at 3/-
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ralp_mutu
#62 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:14:18 PM
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heri wrote:
how is the demand and supply today for CIC


hisah wrote:
heri wrote:
what is the price at the demand level of 4.6m

You can check it here - http://live.rich.co.ke/bdexp/index.php

Select the stock you want to review.

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Aguytrying
#63 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:05:51 PM
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Ive just realised out of all the insurance companies in nse. Cic is the most liquid. What this means positively is that it will be a darling to institutional investors and foreigners. Think of kcb, saf, equity or eabl. The companies that get high turnovers. As long as the company performs very well.the other insurance companies save for knre are very illiquid leaving cic.
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hisah
#64 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:08:58 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Ive just realised out of all the insurance companies in nse. Cic is the most liquid. What this means positively is that it will be a darling to institutional investors and foreigners. Think of kcb, saf, equity or eabl. The companies that get high turnovers. As long as the company performs very well.the other insurance companies save for knre are very illiquid leaving cic.


Sufficient volumes... Get in and get out at will - a traders dream smile
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bartum
#65 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:28:57 PM
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it will be much liquid in the next 5yrs.
seems it has bottomed out
RADING
time(desc) prev. close share. trans last price Kshs percent
15:11:55 4.35 4,815,800 4.25 -0.10 2.3%
15:11:55 4.35 0 4.25 -0.10 2.3%
14:57:05 4.35 0 4.25 -0.10 2.3%
14:55:53 4.35 58,000 4.30 -0.05 1.15%
14:53:45 4.35 500 4.30 -0.05 1.15%
14:53:31 4.35 20,000 4.30 -0.05 1.15%
stats
total deals 89
total turnover 20,606,576
avg price
high price 4.35
low price 4.15
last price 4.25
shares volume 4,815,800
LAST 7 TRAN
Ilikeyou
#66 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:09:34 PM
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I don't like this lagged drop in price of this share. I need to buy @yaserbigchair price prediction.

Hunderwear
#67 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:42:20 PM
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Ilikeyou wrote:
I don't like this lagged drop in price of this share. I need to buy @yaserbigchair price prediction.



Time to buy is fast diminishing the earlier you do it the better.Am smelling a good H1 results and the market gonna get spooked
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#68 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:52:16 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Ive just realised out of all the insurance companies in nse. Cic is the most liquid. What this means positively is that it will be a darling to institutional investors and foreigners. Think of kcb, saf, equity or eabl. The companies that get high turnovers. As long as the company performs very well.the other insurance companies save for knre are very illiquid leaving cic.

I agree with you on the liquidity part.
However, institutional investors(read banks,insurance cos,Pension funds) by virtue of holding depositors,pensioners funds on their behalf, only go for bluechips i.e companies with a proven track record of paying out handsome dividends, issuing bonuses, and have generally been in townsmile for a while. Cic still has some leg work to do to get to the levels of KCB,Bamburi,EABL,BAT,SCBK,BBK,and of late, member and mpesa have also joined the IVY league!Notice BBK & SCBK(yesterday's giants) are slowly fading away! Interesting times indeed
But for traders,Cic will be a good play!
@SufficientlyP
hisah
#69 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:50:24 PM
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Hunderwear wrote:
Ilikeyou wrote:
I don't like this lagged drop in price of this share. I need to buy @yaserbigchair price prediction.



Time to buy is fast diminishing the earlier you do it the better.[b]Am smelling a good H1 results and the market gonna get spooked[b]


Waiting for Coop H1 results - specifically the associate profits figure... That should give the hint on what the CIC H1 result will be and the spook party will be on smile
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yaserbigchair
#70 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:33:49 PM
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still trades at premium.

I wouldn't mind to buy it at 3.50. although I would be very greedy for the 2.7-3.00 mark and I am sure they are going to announce a better result probalbly over 20% more than the previous one ie may be 700M after tax.

Reasons:
1. Insuring the Jua Kali sector.
2. Improved NSE Index.

I am watching!
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hisah
#71 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:01:56 AM
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Seems the floor is going to be defended. I was expecting it to test sub 4/- but bids are now taking over.

I hope it can test 3.50 for a bucketload scoop... smile
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mwekez@ji
#72 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:02:13 AM
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yaserbigchair wrote:
still trades at premium.

I wouldn't mind to buy it at 3.50. although I would be very greedy for the 2.7-3.00 mark and I am sure they are going to announce a better result probalbly over 20% more than the previous one ie may be 700M after tax.

Reasons:
1. Insuring the Jua Kali sector.
2. Improved NSE Index.

I am watching!


True CIC is trading at a premium unlike the old guard insurance companies in the bourse. Many will say that CIC has potential and i will ask doesnt the other insurance companies have potiential. IMHO, CIC is best for traders during this period. Investors should shop elsewhere or wait for the picture to be clearer.

FYI, better performance of NSE will not improve CIC performance because CIC is not invested in the market. However, other factors other than NSE will.

The trading side of me is watching!
Hunderwear
#73 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:16:34 AM
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This gem traded on the OTC for above 70 shillings since last year.The 1st quarter results were great.The 75% of shares are not tradable.It has a strong management and assured business in the name of cooperative movement.To top it all it is the only insurance in kenya making underwriting profit(this i overheard and cant confirm).If as an investor you are not prepared to pay a premium for this the you can as well forget about investing.The best would be to buy before a floor is established and sit tight.Should half year result come out on the positive the premium to pay will be prohibitive.Or so I think and stand to be corrected
Disclaimer;I own a chunk of this stock.
mwekez@ji
#74 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:36:53 AM
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Hunderwear wrote:
...it (cic) is the only insurance in kenya making underwriting profit(this i overheard and cant confirm).


Get the facts and stop relying on hearsey!

Check Table 13 in this Association of Kenya Insurers report and you will know who the Kings of Insurance are. To condense it, Jubilee is King, followed by Chartis Kenya, followed by ….. Notice CIC underwriting profit is not even half of Jubilee Underwriting profit! And we still haven’t started talking about investment income!

http://www.akinsure.or.ke/publi...I_Annual_Report_2010.pdf

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Kausha
#75 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:14:14 PM
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let's stop hyping this, any insurer with motor vehicle and medical in it's books constituting more than 50% is a monkey stock, it can only have market share growth and shrinking profit margins. CIC has done very well because of these two classes. This worries me because somewhere ahead once the cycle matures you will see a struggle in growth of profitability. Only reprieve is that they are also pushing some life insurance. All in all though I would stay away from CIC until 2 bob.
VituVingiSana
#76 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:27:22 PM
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Not my cup of tea at this price!
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theycallmekinG
#77 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 1:42:52 PM
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i bought a few at 4.20/- and a few at 4.0/- if it goes lower i ll keep topping up small amounts to reduce my average cost... hope this plan of attack works...
bird_man
#78 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:45:55 PM
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@Hunderwear,
Half year results announcement ni lini?
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FUNKY
#79 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:53:59 PM
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Half year results will be announced sometime in August probably.
PKoli
#80 Posted : Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:33:49 PM
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bartum wrote:
it will be much liquid in the next 5yrs.
seems it has bottomed out
RADING
time(desc) prev. close share. trans last price Kshs percent
15:11:55 4.35 4,815,800 4.25 -0.10 2.3%
15:11:55 4.35 0 4.25 -0.10 2.3%
14:57:05 4.35 0 4.25 -0.10 2.3%
14:55:53 4.35 58,000 4.30 -0.05 1.15%
14:53:45 4.35 500 4.30 -0.05 1.15%
14:53:31 4.35 20,000 4.30 -0.05 1.15%
stats
total deals 89
total turnover 20,606,576
avg price
high price 4.35
low price 4.15
last price 4.25
shares volume 4,815,800
LAST 7 TRAN

@bartum,

why do you think CiC will be more liquid in 5 years?
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