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VituVingiSana
#31 Posted : Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:04:00 AM
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Just to be clear... was your 2nd flight (the one you actually flew on) also over-booked?

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
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VituVingiSana
#32 Posted : Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:07:00 AM
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@ric dees - The A 380 has that 'star' lighting installed. The new 787s will also have similar features including mood lighting... Basically on long flights the lighting will follow the destination's 'lighting' so you reduce your jetlag e.g. if flying to USA from Nairobi... & you leave at 8am,the lighting will remain 'bright' to keep you awake... as far as is practical...

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
The General
#33 Posted : Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:27:00 AM
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KQ,Eagle Airlines seal deal (right click,open link in new tab/window)


The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
The General
#34 Posted : Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:12:00 PM
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Kenya Airways after the storm

The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
Lyanne
#35 Posted : Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:50:00 PM
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Gosh ! At times the knowledge levels in SK are humbling. I never could have mentioned a concentration of sharp minds anywhere than here.

My only concern is do i accumulate this stock till late next year ?


The Hedonist
Kausha
#36 Posted : Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:53:00 PM
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Ric dix asked a valid question! and I can to a very high degree say KQ is loosing quite some cash. Some of the arguments here are very makaratasi. If the airline has a margin of 40% of flying costs then refunding 300 baux on a ticket of 400 baux is criminal regardless of the ticket pricing mix,and if this is happening the way I have seen it happening,well KQ is gone to the dogs. I will be surprised if they make a profit. remember we still have more fuel write offs coming up. Aaahh and there is the 400m revenue lost during the strike.

And as for last 2009 results,the annual report reads loss after tax of 4.083 billion,what's this nonsense of no loss in past 10 years,and write off losses are losses not recoverable simmilar to bank provisions.
McReggae
#37 Posted : Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:54:00 PM
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Kausha,yua post is obviously from a point of ignorance,update your knowledge on KQ's financials then we can discuss!

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itz
#38 Posted : Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:30:00 AM
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airline business is among the most capital intensive businesses one can invest in.a good example is why KQ took so long to pay dividends after it went public many years back.the reason is they were using all the capital to buy their planes and grow their business.If you had put your money in other companies in the same period of time you would have made huge returns.ROIC on airlines is quite low compared to other industries. Airlines are also at the mercy of fuel prices.see what happened to KQ when fuel went to 147 dollars per barrel,their profits declined big time and it showed KQ doesn't good oil price hedging capabilities. It is good that they have made profits for the 10-11 years but remember there will be increased competition in the years to come and high oil prices will be back.it might be a good short term investment but not for long term 4+ years.
Kausha
#39 Posted : Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:50:00 AM
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Mc reggae

Which financials are you talking about? do you even know what are financials in the first place...i have on my desk KQ annual report 2008/09 otherwise read as 09,go to page 58 and look at loss / profit before taxation if you can't see (5,664m),then ......but in the event you understand what that number number is,come back i teach you how to digest financials.

Itz
Stop lying to us about capital intensive! there are businesses using more capital than KQ and churning out great ROICs. Look at oil,both upstream and downstream businesses they use much more capital than KQ and very regularly. So hiyo argument yako ni ya jobless corner not this forum. Look at other airlines and the ROIC they deliver,i have in mind Singapore airlines,Cathay,Qantas,Ryan air to name a few look at their ROIC and see what they get. KQ has been flying around like a headless chicken for sometime now,other than their great network which can easily be replicated they stink in everything else.

Also don't tell us about fuel,fuel pricing is part of KPIs of the executive management and Board! next time you will tell us KQ cant expand fast coz of pilot shortage! A soft example on KQ's botched leadership - how is it that KLM had hedged fuel below USD 80 and KQ was hedging at an AVCO of 112USD and yet KQ is an associate of KLM and has board members from KLM? what do they discuss in the board ? Look at the aircraft orders,KQ has among the worst procurement strategy its too reactive!
Pierce
#40 Posted : Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:54:00 AM
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Ring ring.................hedge loss now reversing........

A 777-300ER now taking off to the sky ..........
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