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New quota system for Form One admission
rasilio
#31 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:19:57 PM
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@atiriti

Can you explain in no more than a 100 word insha exactly how not going to Alliance equates to punishment?

you have read the stories here on wazua. How parents take their kids to private school in Nairobi then send them to NE to take their exams.

Now that is punishing the students from poor families.

There is nothing in the constitution that guarantees a child with high marks will go to Alliance or Lenana. So that so called court case is dead in the water.

However the constitution guarantees fairness and an education.

So put your money in your pocket and concentrate on educating your child not buying them high marks to the detriment of the sharp student from shags.

Or as someone put it here, use your money and take them to ISK, then USIU.
Wakandi
#32 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:30:07 PM
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@Rasilio,
why do you have so much bitterness about going private. Take your kids,if you have any to a public school and am sure you will not have simillar thoughts. I do not think it is wrong for parents to desire success for their little ones. I say we need to address the genesis of the exodus to private schools and once we fix this, only
then can we fault others. To imply that those attending private schools are stupid, shows a lot of ignorance on your part. Sowhat if my father is rich and yours is not?
BTW, in protest i recommend you only work in the public sector,only go to a public hospitals,do not drive your own private car or enter city hoppa, instead take a train home. after all,these are public and you seem to hate private.
rasilio
#33 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:38:40 PM
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@ Wakandi, you will be very surprised.

I just have an issue with people like you who think that it is a human tragedy not to take your kid to alliance. That is tragic indeed. It is not a case worth merit in any serious court and you know it.

So rather than getting all worked up because your kid didn't go to a national school, go back to school and learn how to piece an argument that will stand the muster of being semi-valid or worthy of note.

As you do that learn the basics of punctuation.

Education being paid for by my taxes (read national schools) should be fair and evenly distributed. Not the privy of semi-illiterate parents who've decided that buying an education is the hallmark of success.
TAZ
#34 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:44:54 PM
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I think people are getting a bit carried away here...i don't think its right under any circumstance to declare that primary school students from private schools are less bright than those in public schools.

We can't start comparing our primary school days with the current situation because then the only private schools i knew were the likes of Makini, our parents couldn't possibly manage the fees...only the rich took their kids there. Nowadays we have private schools everywhere, even in the estates. What's surprising is that most of the kids in such schools are from the "middle-class" because they want their kids to have the best education. It all depends on which you think is appropriate for your child. I agree with whoever said we shouldn't punish kids who go through private schools because whether its "drilling" or whatever you may want to call it, the objective is to pass KCPE PERIOD! If the kid is bright and determined to succeed he/she will still pass KCSE whether its a provincial or National School.

I think its about time we changed this KCPE system.
jguru
#35 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:45:18 PM
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Good people, wait for the KCSE exams to be out in February, and the debate will start all over again with similar quotas for admission into public universities. I am sure the ministry and JAB will introduce a 1:5 ratio for private to public entry into UNIs.

Starehe, Mangu and Alliance will have 80% and more of their students selected by JAB into UNIs, while Sunshine and other private high schools will only get 15% allocation.

It is not just KCPE that needs major reforms. Read KCSE and UNI too. Heck, the whole education system from kindergarten to PhD should be reformed.

And what is going wrong? One word, COMMERCIALISATION. There is a lot of money being made in education nowadays. For example, a Parallel Med student pays 475k tuition + accomodation + UNI statutory charges per year for 5 years. There are 300 Para Med students vis a vis 100 Regular Med students. Have you ever wondered, what if there were only 100 fixed places for Med in UNI every year? Parents would literally buy these places, with fees going into as much as a million a year. A bright student from Nguviu Boys would never get the chance to do medicine.

It hurts to take your child to a private school, pay lots of money in school fees, and then get declined entry into a good national school. The mentality is, I paid THIS MUCH for primary education and so I DESERVE to get my son/daughter into a BIG GOOD high school. But what about the boy/girl from Makueni who goes to the local village school and gets 20 marks less than my child?

IMHO, All the government is doing is taking care of the disadvantaged ones in society who have no one to advocate for them.
Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
For Sport
#36 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:24:24 PM
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@ Rasilio
1. I’m pulling my child (class 3) out of a private school and placing him in a public school to compete with everyone else. After all, I pay taxes – a lot of taxes – let me get a share of the pie. And, get this, he’s anything but daft - consistently topped his class
2. He was in a private school because the teacher’s actually teach. At least with the private school, parents and owners exercise some form of oversight
3. Also opted for the private school since it offers extra curricula activities (clubs, games, trips etc. Has a new hobby, club every term.
4. So you think this will even out the playing ground? Wrong. If necessary, I will pay for extra tuition during weekends and school holidays to addresss gaps occassioned by TSC teachers not doing their job. Will also pay for extra curricula activities to ensure he develops all round.
5. You see – I refuse to fully subscribe to the experiment of free primary education. I also don't understand why I should not spend money on him. It's the excuse I give for going to work.
TAZ
#37 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:26:01 PM
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For Sport wrote:
@ Rasilio
1. I’m pulling my child (class 3) out of a private school and placing him in a public school to compete with everyone else. After all, I pay taxes – a lot of taxes – let me get a share of the pie. And, get this, he’s anything but daft - consistently topped his class
2. He was in a private school because the teacher’s actually teach. At least with the private school, parents and owners exercise some form of oversight
3. Also opted for the private school since it offers extra curricula activities (clubs, games, trips etc. Has a new hobby, club every term.
4. So you think this will even out the playing ground? Wrong. If necessary, I will pay for extra tuition during weekends and school holidays to addresss gaps occassioned by TSC teachers not doing their job. Will also pay for extra curricula activities to ensure he develops all round.
5. You see – I refuse to fully subscribe to the experiment of free primary education. I also don't understand why I should not spend money on him. It's the excuse I give for going to work.


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Ms Mkenya
#38 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:39:11 PM
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For Sport wrote:
@ Rasilio
1. I’m pulling my child (class 3) out of a private school and placing him in a public school to compete with everyone else. After all, I pay taxes – a lot of taxes – let me get a share of the pie. And, get this, he’s anything but daft - consistently topped his class
2. He was in a private school because the teacher’s actually teach. At least with the private school, parents and owners exercise some form of oversight
3. Also opted for the private school since it offers extra curricula activities (clubs, games, trips etc. Has a new hobby, club every term.
4. So you think this will even out the playing ground? Wrong. If necessary, I will pay for extra tuition during weekends and school holidays to addresss gaps occassioned by TSC teachers not doing their job. Will also pay for extra curricula activities to ensure he develops all round.
5. You see – I refuse to fully subscribe to the experiment of free primary education. I also don't understand why I should not spend money on him. It's the excuse I give for going to work.


@ For Sport, I am sorry sir/Madam but i find this myopic. Just because you pay taxes you should not let your child have any less.
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For Sport
#39 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:45:51 PM
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Less what?
2012
#40 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:54:05 PM
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I think this is fair. I would have even made it more difficult than that. A kid getting 300 in public school is equivalent to one getting 500 in private. This still locks out the common mwananchi's kid from accessing good education. If you attend a private primary school then you should proceed to a private secondary and maybe a public uni which should only be allowed to take 10% from private.

BBI will solve it
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