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hisah
#381 Posted : Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:39:39 PM
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Was crawling the net and came across this interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-bIOxJqD_s
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
mwekez@ji
#382 Posted : Friday, May 18, 2012 8:54:22 AM
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@e_kijana (post 379 and 380), the rights issue + offer was in Nov-Dec 2010. The money is reflecting in the 2010 and 2011 results. It was applied as follows:

*Investment in banks FDR in 2010 – KES 705,390,000
*Investment in government securities in 2010 – KES 238,127,000
*Investment in government securities in 2011 – KES 1,383,726,000

As at end of FY 2011, they had 2.76 Billion in FDRs and 2.47 Billion in Government securities (held to maturity). Their 2 greatest investments!!!
the deal
#383 Posted : Friday, May 18, 2012 11:22:16 AM
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CIC Insurance rate Long term BUY here http://www.contrarianinv...y-2011-i-like-what-i-see
hisah
#384 Posted : Friday, May 18, 2012 7:12:18 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
@e_kijana (post 379 and 380), the rights issue + offer was in Nov-Dec 2010. The money is reflecting in the 2010 and 2011 results. It was applied as follows:

*Investment in banks FDR in 2010 – KES 705,390,000
*Investment in government securities in 2010 – KES 238,127,000
*Investment in government securities in 2011 – KES 1,383,726,000

As at end of FY 2011, they had 2.76 Billion in FDRs and 2.47 Billion in Government securities (held to maturity). Their 2 greatest investments!!!

I saw that too and wondered was it hindsight or sheer luck. The fact that they also don't hold equities unlike the other insurance firms also saved their skin last year as the NSE nose-dived.

The P/E is a bit expensive compared to its peers, but I like the growth momentum. If maintained, Mr Market shouldn't have issues with it. E.g. EABL P/E is in the 20's in this market!

However I wonder if it can sustain a huge rally going by the huge share volume it brings. It'll be very liquid and the share price will be equally volatile. Good thing saccos will be long term holders. Since Mr Market has been partying with insurance stocks of late, I expect on listing the share to spike up and sustain the bid.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
e_kijana
#385 Posted : Friday, May 18, 2012 11:19:36 PM
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@Hisah - They have done T-Bills for past 3-5 years. I recall the only listed stock they have is 1,000,000 shares in co-op which they had held from the days it was unlisted. I note that they prefer a known fixed return that T-Bills held to maturity gives as they focus of the insurance business
e_kijana
#386 Posted : Friday, May 18, 2012 11:41:33 PM
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mwekez@ji
#387 Posted : Saturday, May 19, 2012 3:19:34 PM
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@e_kijana, investing in government securities for the last 5 years says that CIC is risk averse. Quite paradoxical coz they are an insurance company in the business of risk.

However, I must commend them for doing well in their core insurance business. When are they setting foot outside the Kenyan borders coz it looks like they are keen in sticking to what they know best, insurance
mwekez@ji
#388 Posted : Saturday, May 19, 2012 3:23:13 PM
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I also like what I see but ...
mwekez@ji
#389 Posted : Saturday, May 19, 2012 4:08:50 PM
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@the deal, well noted that they bought 200 acres in kamiti, kiambu which the ceo says they will carry out initial developments on the land. How soon will he do the initial developments? Kenyans are loving companies that are moving to real estate

The construction of CIC Plaza phase 2 that will be completed by EY will only increase rental income and that will not be astronomical
Investor1
#390 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:38:59 AM
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When is CIC paying the dividends?
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