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Crazy Nairobi traffic!!
murchr
#381 Posted : Tuesday, March 10, 2015 6:38:57 PM
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Impunity wrote:
murchr wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
limanika wrote:
All matatu owners believe the traffic mess is caused by private cars. All private car owners including kidraw believe matatus are the culprit. Now why is it so hard for kidraw to stand out of the box and realize that other than the issue of roads and confusion created by traffic cops, the other main contributor to traffic chaos is large no.of private cars? Any solution that does not seek to make public transport the natural choice is just a partial one

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I did not want to be the first one to suggest that! We had this discussion in the blue section and we were called names for suggesting that we should encourage public transport while discouraging private cars

If you make it more incovenient to use public eg terminate mats at Muthurwa, Ngara etc, this will encourage more guys to come with their jalopies and traffic will increase

If you still think PSVs are the cause of heavy traffic, wait for the next matatu strike. See how the roads will be clogged up


In addition to that, eliminate stage parking. Every bus should drop and pick passengers and go. Esp at GPO, and KENCOM


Affordable public MASS transport is the key.
If you still have thousands of 33 seater ma3 ferrying people around they will still congest the stages even if they were to park for 2 minutes to pick pax and leave.


Yes but in the meantime as they build tram rails (if this ever happens) or HOV lanes, the parking on the roads needs to go.
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harrydre
#382 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2015 12:13:43 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
What about working hours? Do we all have to report at 8am and leave at 5pm.Suppose some sectors tweak this so that their employees report earlier or later?


or even working from home?


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harrydre
#383 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2015 12:46:12 AM
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murchr wrote:
Impunity wrote:
murchr wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
limanika wrote:
All matatu owners believe the traffic mess is caused by private cars. All private car owners including kidraw believe matatus are the culprit. Now why is it so hard for kidraw to stand out of the box and realize that other than the issue of roads and confusion created by traffic cops, the other main contributor to traffic chaos is large no.of private cars? Any solution that does not seek to make public transport the natural choice is just a partial one

Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause

I did not want to be the first one to suggest that! We had this discussion in the blue section and we were called names for suggesting that we should encourage public transport while discouraging private cars

If you make it more incovenient to use public eg terminate mats at Muthurwa, Ngara etc, this will encourage more guys to come with their jalopies and traffic will increase

If you still think PSVs are the cause of heavy traffic, wait for the next matatu strike. See how the roads will be clogged up


In addition to that, eliminate stage parking. Every bus should drop and pick passengers and go. Esp at GPO, and KENCOM


Affordable public MASS transport is the key.
If you still have thousands of 33 seater ma3 ferrying people around they will still congest the stages even if they were to park for 2 minutes to pick pax and leave.


Yes but in the meantime as they build tram rails (if this ever happens) or HOV lanes, the parking on the roads needs to go.


The metro trains and buses will be the ultimate solution. They can ferry commuters from say CBD to KU area. KU in turn can build a large car park and make some money from it, commuters would park there and ride on a train/bus to the city. replicate that on Ngong road, Waiyaki Way, Msa road, Langata Road, RIng Road etc and you are good to go for another 50 or so years. Ban even 17 seaters they need strictly large buses & double deckers.


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Rahatupu
#384 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2015 9:10:12 AM
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Before all these blue prints happen simple and effective enforcement of the existing traffic act and the highway code would do.
Impunity
#385 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2015 9:27:42 AM
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murchr wrote:
Impunity wrote:
murchr wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
limanika wrote:
All matatu owners believe the traffic mess is caused by private cars. All private car owners including kidraw believe matatus are the culprit. Now why is it so hard for kidraw to stand out of the box and realize that other than the issue of roads and confusion created by traffic cops, the other main contributor to traffic chaos is large no.of private cars? Any solution that does not seek to make public transport the natural choice is just a partial one

Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause

I did not want to be the first one to suggest that! We had this discussion in the blue section and we were called names for suggesting that we should encourage public transport while discouraging private cars

If you make it more incovenient to use public eg terminate mats at Muthurwa, Ngara etc, this will encourage more guys to come with their jalopies and traffic will increase

If you still think PSVs are the cause of heavy traffic, wait for the next matatu strike. See how the roads will be clogged up


In addition to that, eliminate stage parking. Every bus should drop and pick passengers and go. Esp at GPO, and KENCOM


Affordable public MASS transport is the key.
If you still have thousands of 33 seater ma3 ferrying people around they will still congest the stages even if they were to park for 2 minutes to pick pax and leave.


Yes but in the meantime as they build tram rails (if this ever happens) or HOV lanes, the parking on the roads needs to go.


Anaa thng they should urgently do is to create sufficient and wide bus stops so that ma3 and other psvs will not stop right in the middle of the road to pick passengers thus causing traffic snarl up.
Then they can arrest and charge those vehicles stopping right in the middle of the road to pick pax,also those pax who boards psv at non designated stops must be arrested and charged.
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limanika
#386 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2015 10:30:23 AM
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The cars that need not be on the road every day are those belonging to city residents from high density city estates such as umoja, buru, Kasarani etc. For such estates preference should be given to high capacity buses with dedicated lanes for radius of 10 km from cbd. And if I stay in umoja and work in westlands, why would I need to alight in cbd to connect? There should be a bus from umoja traveling to westlands, another to hurlingam, upperhill etc. Jalopies only need be used by those who stay in diaspora or outskirts, where it is not possible to operate high capacity buses either due to poor roads or low population
KulaRaha
#387 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:00:37 AM
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For example this morning, matatus had choked the exit from Sarit roundabout to Parklands Road. This despite 5 cops stationed at the roundabout. The officer controlling traffic from Lower Kabete Road to the roundabout was perplexed, yet a layman like me saw the problem so easily.

Maybe he or his bosses own the matatus hence cannot enforce anything. NKT!
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Swenani
#388 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:02:46 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
For example this morning, matatus had choked the exit from Sarit roundabout to Parklands Road. This despite 5 cops stationed at the roundabout. The officer controlling traffic from Lower Kabete Road to the roundabout was perplexed, yet a layman like me saw the problem so easily.

Maybe he or his bosses own the matatus hence cannot enforce anything. NKT!


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Muheani
#389 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:21:42 AM
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Impunity wrote:
murchr wrote:
Impunity wrote:
murchr wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
limanika wrote:
All matatu owners believe the traffic mess is caused by private cars. All private car owners including kidraw believe matatus are the culprit. Now why is it so hard for kidraw to stand out of the box and realize that other than the issue of roads and confusion created by traffic cops, the other main contributor to traffic chaos is large no.of private cars? Any solution that does not seek to make public transport the natural choice is just a partial one

Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause

I did not want to be the first one to suggest that! We had this discussion in the blue section and we were called names for suggesting that we should encourage public transport while discouraging private cars

If you make it more incovenient to use public eg terminate mats at Muthurwa, Ngara etc, this will encourage more guys to come with their jalopies and traffic will increase

If you still think PSVs are the cause of heavy traffic, wait for the next matatu strike. See how the roads will be clogged up


In addition to that, eliminate stage parking. Every bus should drop and pick passengers and go. Esp at GPO, and KENCOM


Affordable public MASS transport is the key.
If you still have thousands of 33 seater ma3 ferrying people around they will still congest the stages even if they were to park for 2 minutes to pick pax and leave.


Yes but in the meantime as they build tram rails (if this ever happens) or HOV lanes, the parking on the roads needs to go.


Anaa thng they should urgently do is to create sufficient and wide bus stops so that ma3 and other psvs will not stop right in the middle of the road to pick passengers thus causing traffic snarl up.
Then they can arrest and charge those vehicles stopping right in the middle of the road to pick pax,also those pax who boards psv at non designated stops must be arrested and charged.


what english is this?
Impunity
#390 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:25:25 AM
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Posts: 26,331
Location: Masada
Muheani wrote:
Impunity wrote:
murchr wrote:
Impunity wrote:
murchr wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
limanika wrote:
All matatu owners believe the traffic mess is caused by private cars. All private car owners including kidraw believe matatus are the culprit. Now why is it so hard for kidraw to stand out of the box and realize that other than the issue of roads and confusion created by traffic cops, the other main contributor to traffic chaos is large no.of private cars? Any solution that does not seek to make public transport the natural choice is just a partial one

Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause

I did not want to be the first one to suggest that! We had this discussion in the blue section and we were called names for suggesting that we should encourage public transport while discouraging private cars

If you make it more incovenient to use public eg terminate mats at Muthurwa, Ngara etc, this will encourage more guys to come with their jalopies and traffic will increase

If you still think PSVs are the cause of heavy traffic, wait for the next matatu strike. See how the roads will be clogged up


In addition to that, eliminate stage parking. Every bus should drop and pick passengers and go. Esp at GPO, and KENCOM


Affordable public MASS transport is the key.
If you still have thousands of 33 seater ma3 ferrying people around they will still congest the stages even if they were to park for 2 minutes to pick pax and leave.


Yes but in the meantime as they build tram rails (if this ever happens) or HOV lanes, the parking on the roads needs to go.


Anaa thng they should urgently do is to create sufficient and wide bus stops so that ma3 and other psvs will not stop right in the middle of the road to pick passengers thus causing traffic snarl up.
Then they can arrest and charge those vehicles stopping right in the middle of the road to pick pax,also those pax who boards psv at non designated stops must be arrested and charged.


what english is this?


What English is this with a small "e"
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