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#341 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 9:22:55 AM
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@kamundu..stones have a crushing strength of 5kn/mm2 and above.Concrete has strength of 15 to 25kn/mm2 depending on the mix ratio specified in the structural design.

Some quarry stones are weaker than others. Almost all machine cut stones are weak coz its expensive to cut hard stone with machines. Thats why we find machine cut stone in juja but not in the naivasha,nakuru region where the stone is harder.

The hard stones can replace concrete columns based on the architectural and structural design.
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patcho
#342 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 2:43:53 PM
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@a4architect,I built my house 4 years ago in Ngong area.In the haste to reduce costs,I used machine cut stones form Juja and I didnt use columns to support slab.The house is now four years old and it looks strong as ever.what are the consequences that I may encounter in future? what measures can I take to prevent structural weakness?someone advised me to plaster the entire exterior...is that feasable?
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#343 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 3:56:48 PM
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#344 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 4:09:24 PM
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I have noticed many old maisonettes don't have columns, the slab lalias the hard stone. Would that be cheaper than using columns and machine cut
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#345 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 4:21:29 PM
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@ Kamundu,

You are not alone- i did mine like so ten years ago and has not noted any structural defects. My structural engineer had done his the same way!
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#346 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 5:13:28 PM
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@gathige did you use hard stone or the machine cuts?
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#347 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 5:14:41 PM
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@patcho..you dont have to worry if 4 years later there are no signs of cracks. Chances are that you used very strong machine cut stone , you have not used heavy roofing e.g concrete tiles, you havnt used ceramic floor finishes e.t.c.
I have personally overseen g+3 buildings without columns . Structural engineers are important in pulling such stunts coz they ensure design is optimized.
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patcho
#348 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:34:20 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@patcho..you dont have to worry if 4 years later there are no signs of cracks. Chances are that you used very strong machine cut stone , you have not used heavy roofing e.g concrete tiles, you havnt used ceramic floor finishes e.t.c.
I have personally overseen g+3 buildings without columns . Structural engineers are important in pulling such stunts coz they ensure design is optimized.



Thanks alot Sir...infact your comments are the exact one that my engineer considered.though I used ceramic tiles,my roofing is not tiled....
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#349 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:37:22 PM
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@patcho..welcome
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#350 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2012 9:35:08 AM
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I must admit this is the place to find more on house construction and may furnishings,i got my answer verbally.
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