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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
Impunity
#3461 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 3:35:15 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
Mid and top level managers have agreed to stop their contributions to the KQ provident fund...This will release some 450m plus for the year...discussion with other employees still ongoing...duty allowance also stopped...

Hold on. Explain this to me.
If KQ employees stop their contributions [taken from salaries paid] to the Provident Fund how does that help KQ?

If I make 100,000 [take home after taxes/NHIF/NSSF] & contribute 5,000 to the Provident Fund [reducing my take home to 95,000] that's my contribution. How is KQ affected?

Employers have a matching component, so if employees agree to drop their contrubution then the employer saves.. Wewe kwani hujawai kuwa employee??
No.


For KQ its 10% - 10% so the whole amount will be held by the airline instead of going to the PF...
Please explain further, I did not understand it.


Sarcasm nayo.
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Gatheuzi
#3462 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:40:51 PM
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Impunity wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
maka wrote:
Mid and top level managers have agreed to stop their contributions to the KQ provident fund...This will release some 450m plus for the year...discussion with other employees still ongoing...duty allowance also stopped...

Hold on. Explain this to me.
If KQ employees stop their contributions [taken from salaries paid] to the Provident Fund how does that help KQ?

If I make 100,000 [take home after taxes/NHIF/NSSF] & contribute 5,000 to the Provident Fund [reducing my take home to 95,000] that's my contribution. How is KQ affected?

Employers have a matching component, so if employees agree to drop their contrubution then the employer saves.. Wewe kwani hujawai kuwa employee??
No.


For KQ its 10% - 10% so the whole amount will be held by the airline instead of going to the PF...
Please explain further, I did not understand it.


Sarcasm nayo.

2 scenarios are probable:

1) Employees will still contribute 10% of their salaries to PF. However this will not be remitted to the Pension Fund because KQ is "cash hungry". KQ gets free cash from employees and what it matches, total 20%. Is this legal? My understanding is that since these contributions attract tax advantages on the employees, they must be with a registered pension fund regulated by RBA.

2)A second scenario that I find more probable is that Employees stop contributing to PF altogether. They get paid the PF in cash thus it becomes a plus on their payslips (10 % before taxes). This creates a "feel good" situation because they are having more to enjoy with their families. (In detriment to their retirement)

To KQ it saves 10% of what it could have contributed in matching employee's contribution.
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obiero
#3463 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:57:49 PM
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credit must still go to Ngunze, who is using every trick in his book to bring down costs.. good times are coming

kayhara
#3464 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:04:48 PM
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Isn't KQ over-consulting? forensic consultants, revenue and cost consultants, this will turn out to be another scandal.
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sparkly
#3465 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:43:03 PM
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obiero wrote:
credit must still go to Ngunze, who is using every trick in his book to bring down costs.. good times are coming


KQ will still be in debt 10years from today, that is if insolvency will not have caught up faster.

It doesn't matter anyway, you are a wealthy man.
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muandiwambeu
#3466 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 9:33:04 PM
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sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
credit must still go to Ngunze, who is using every trick in his book to bring down costs.. good times are coming


KQ will still be in debt 10years from today, that is if insolvency will not have caught up faster.

It doesn't matter anyway, you are a wealthy man.

Ten years? Yes there about but over. You see. Filling a bottom less hole of losses ie over one year consulting and reconsulting, over two years restructuring and bitterly over 33/3=11 yrs of solid profitability beating all the mayriads of agonising precarious state of airline industry. That shall be stellar performance if it is to be. Imagine. Do you know in ten years I will be going for the president of Africa after African states unites. Just imagine if you could dream like me, what you would do with ten solid years. Just for imaginations only. But just..... Imagine how much will have changed. Just. Sad Sad Sad
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obiero
#3467 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:35:25 PM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
credit must still go to Ngunze, who is using every trick in his book to bring down costs.. good times are coming


KQ will still be in debt 10years from today, that is if insolvency will not have caught up faster.

It doesn't matter anyway, you are a wealthy man.

Ten years? Yes there about but over. You see. Filling a bottom less hole of losses ie over one year consulting and reconsulting, over two years restructuring and bitterly over 33/3=11 yrs of solid profitability beating all the mayriads of agonising precarious state of airline industry. That shall be stellar performance if it is to be. Imagine. Do you know in ten years I will be going for the president of Africa after African states unites. Just imagine if you could dream like me, what you would do with ten solid years. Just for imaginations only. But just..... Imagine how much will have changed. Just. Sad Sad Sad

lol

obiero
#3468 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:03:48 PM
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kayhara wrote:
Isn't KQ over-consulting? forensic consultants, revenue and cost consultants, this will turn out to be another scandal.

@kayhara theft on several levels occured at KQ and seabury or mckinsey arent specialised in fraud discovery, hence need for deloitte as KQ in itself has no capacity to investigate.. @sparkly im not wealthy, just blessed. :) please note that something grand is in the offing at the airline. GoK hint. Thank me later

sparkly
#3469 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2016 6:55:27 AM
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obiero wrote:
kayhara wrote:
Isn't KQ over-consulting? forensic consultants, revenue and cost consultants, this will turn out to be another scandal.

@kayhara theft on several levels occured at KQ and seabury or mckinsey arent specialised in fraud discovery, hence need for deloitte as KQ in itself has no capacity to investigate.. @sparkly im not wealthy, just blessed. :) please note that something grand is in the offing at the airline. GoK hint. Thank me later


Deloitte just working on another report to gather dust on the shelves, and to cover-up the kickbacks and real thieves.

Ngunze rides to the scene like a gallant knight, ready to save the damsel... Conveniently duping spectators to forget that he was an insider all along and the ear on the ground for some interests.

If the something grand is a GOK bailout, be informed that bailout is not free money, most likely dilutive convertible preferential shares.
Life is short. Live passionately.
obiero
#3470 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:16:45 AM
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sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
kayhara wrote:
Isn't KQ over-consulting? forensic consultants, revenue and cost consultants, this will turn out to be another scandal.

@kayhara theft on several levels occured at KQ and seabury or mckinsey arent specialised in fraud discovery, hence need for deloitte as KQ in itself has no capacity to investigate.. @sparkly im not wealthy, just blessed. :) please note that something grand is in the offing at the airline. GoK hint. Thank me later


Deloitte just working on another report to gather dust on the shelves, and to cover-up the kickbacks and real thieves.

Ngunze rides to the scene like a gallant knight, ready to save the damsel... Conveniently duping spectators to forget that he was an insider all along and the ear on the ground for some interests.

If the something grand is a GOK bailout, be informed that bailout is not free money, most likely dilutive convertible preferential shares.

I welcome a bailout regardless..

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