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freiks wrote:masukuma wrote:Mike Ock wrote:hardwood wrote:People are finally realising that matatus are not the problem.
Those who claim matatus are the problem on our roads are just car owners reacting to the reckless matatu behaviour. But ukweli usemwe, the real cause of jam is the Kenyan culture of buying a car to show that umefika. Personal cars ndio zinajaza barabara bure. What Kenya needs is some kind of luxurious bus that also can be a status symbol. Maybe if you want to show people umefika you use that bus. It can be picking people from home and dropping them at home too kama school bus. Maybe that upcoming Uber for matatu can fill that gap. I don't believe in bans... i believe in incentives (+ve and -ve) so.. just make parking fees 1500/= tuone ambao wamefika! Dont blame the personal cars, why was there traffic on University Way? Matatus were turning from globe roundabout therefore the build up starts there and it goes to nairobi university roundabout, so another gridlock along the uhuru highway. At the end of the day only BRT can safe the nrb traffic but how do you control those 14 seaters from upcountry? I'm sure you have invested millions in your car, but be objective here. It's obvious that 30 cars take more space than 30 people in a bus. Personal cars *are* traffic. We need to somehow give car owners a mass transit option that can match what cars give them. My suggestion is that Nairobi tries to develop a carpooling app. Then incentivize guys to use it by subsidizing rides for a year or so. Same strategy Uber used to change the market.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Mike Ock wrote:freiks wrote:masukuma wrote:Mike Ock wrote:hardwood wrote:People are finally realising that matatus are not the problem.
Those who claim matatus are the problem on our roads are just car owners reacting to the reckless matatu behaviour. But ukweli usemwe, the real cause of jam is the Kenyan culture of buying a car to show that umefika. Personal cars ndio zinajaza barabara bure. What Kenya needs is some kind of luxurious bus that also can be a status symbol. Maybe if you want to show people umefika you use that bus. It can be picking people from home and dropping them at home too kama school bus. Maybe that upcoming Uber for matatu can fill that gap. I don't believe in bans... i believe in incentives (+ve and -ve) so.. just make parking fees 1500/= tuone ambao wamefika! Dont blame the personal cars, why was there traffic on University Way? Matatus were turning from globe roundabout therefore the build up starts there and it goes to nairobi university roundabout, so another gridlock along the uhuru highway. At the end of the day only BRT can safe the nrb traffic but how do you control those 14 seaters from upcountry? I'm sure you have invested millions in your car, but be objective here. It's obvious that 30 cars take more space than 30 people in a bus. Personal cars *are* traffic. We need to somehow give car owners a mass transit option that can match what cars give them. My suggestion is that Nairobi tries to develop a carpooling app. Then incentivize guys to use it by subsidizing rides for a year or so. Same strategy Uber used to change the market. That's the normal cliche that matatus carry many, that's not the issue, the problem is making streets their parking spots. I wonder why the media did not show Moi ave and Tom Mboya street yesterday "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma1 wrote:This is Sonko's Wisdom
Aka Paint The Road Red and call it BRT...Blame matatus for traffic. Not a single matatu in this pikshas.
Where do you live? This is everyday Nairobi. You should have tried being in town on Friday "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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KulaRaha wrote:So, lets think this through. We have tried banning psvs in CBD twice now, both times failed.
So, say we ban private vehicles in the CBD. What would happen? Thrice as in x3, first time was when UMK was the Minister for Local Government ...(if my memory serves me right  ). In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,595
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alma1 wrote:The funny thing about this mess is that the only person who can fix this is Sonko. He has a lot of political clout. I noticed no one called him elitist like Kidero.
There's a problem in Nairobi and it needs long term thought with short term fixes along the way. Only Sonko right now can fix that.
1. Work with the satellite governors to come up with a real BRT system. It should include Kenya Railways, large capacity saccos, everyone....Not red paint.
2. Increase parking fees for all vehicles including private and matatus.
3. Upgrade those terminus that are quarter finished to National stadium standards with toilets security etc and capacity
4. Work with Matiangi to tame the indiscipline with Matatu Saccos.
5. Effect the ban between 9am to 4pm
6. Work with Saccos to have them drop and pick passengers only. I have seen those buses at Kencom that implement that and don't see the kind of hell that goes on on Tom Mboya street. Let them comply or work with Matiangi to revoke their licenses.
Those are short term measures that will have the support of all Kenyans.
We don't like Matatu culture. But Sonko handed these madmen a blank check to ringa just because he failed to plan and was banking on NYS buses....And the support of Murchr.  Enyewe Sonko is a political genius. Sonko was never going to implement that gazette notice period. The man was given orders and decided to sabotage the whole system. You actually believe the matatu crews calmly agreed to follow the orders not to enter CBD not even a bonfire was lit. Sonko got his buddies to choke off traffic at fig tree and muthurwa and boom the whole debate was won. Matatus matter in this city. The cartels won. Let us forget all this nonsense about BRT. It's headed nowhere. Talk! Talk! Talk!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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Fyatu wrote:Banning matatus from CBD has exposed how dirty and filthy Moi avenue,Tom MBoya and a host of streets/lanes/alleys east of Tom Mboya street are....clearly Nairobi as a city in Africa is grossly overrated and Mombasa is way much cleaner and neater(Joho is not a looser afterall).
Nairobians should not complain and instead gorge themselves in diesel free air and relatively safer and de-congested streets.The time is nigh for establishing a new capital city with proper housing and transport infrastucture because there is no land in Nairobi. All land is in private hands... Kumbe all the filth, jualas, urine and muguka spit have all along been swept under the matatus   Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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alma1 wrote:The funny thing about this mess is that the only person who can fix this is Sonko. He has a lot of political clout. I noticed no one called him elitist like Kidero.
There's a problem in Nairobi and it needs long term thought with short term fixes along the way. Only Sonko right now can fix that.
1. Work with the satellite governors to come up with a real BRT system. It should include Kenya Railways, large capacity saccos, everyone....Not red paint.
2. Increase parking fees for all vehicles including private and matatus.
3. Upgrade those terminus that are quarter finished to National stadium standards with toilets security etc and capacity
4. Work with Matiangi to tame the indiscipline with Matatu Saccos.
5. Effect the ban between 9am to 4pm
6. Work with Saccos to have them drop and pick passengers only. I have seen those buses at Kencom that implement that and don't see the kind of hell that goes on on Tom Mboya street. Let them comply or work with Matiangi to revoke their licenses.
Those are short term measures that will have the support of all Kenyans.
We don't like Matatu culture. But Sonko handed these madmen a blank check to ringa just because he failed to plan and was banking on NYS buses....And the support of Murchr. The guy who will realize that Matatus are not really the problem but MATATU DRIVERS, and do sth about it, we hsall have hit the ultimate jackpot. We need very harsh penalties on matatu drivers. Leave out the owners and pax. Lalia madere kabisa, take out those licenses without mercy. GoK to take custody of the matatus finish this impunity. Hiyo siku tutakuwa tumearrive 3/4 of the journey to sanity. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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I think Sonko is doing a great job at killing SMEs in the city. Its time to relocate to the Suburbs and set up shop. At this rate, I don't see any serious person discussing business at Charlie's, WHy meet at a Java in CBD when you can find them at the Suburbs? Why get into CBD to buy a TV,phone or a Car radio when I can get them on Jumia cheaper delivered to me? Why have an office in town CBD unless I am a lawyer who needs to go to court every day? I Think Therefore I Am
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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Fyatu wrote:Fyatu wrote:Banning matatus from CBD has exposed how dirty and filthy Moi avenue,Tom MBoya and a host of streets/lanes/alleys east of Tom Mboya street are....clearly Nairobi as a city in Africa is grossly overrated and Mombasa is way much cleaner and neater(Joho is not a looser afterall).
Nairobians should not complain and instead gorge themselves in diesel free air and relatively safer and de-congested streets.The time is nigh for establishing a new capital city with proper housing and transport infrastucture because there is no land in Nairobi. All land is in private hands... Kumbe all the filth, jualas, urine and muguka spit have all along been swept under the matatus Meanwhile huko Mombasani streets zinakaa hivi....first picture is Mwembe Tayari the equivalent of Tom Mboya in Nairobi  Second picture nkurumah road...notice the cabro pavements   now compare the photos above with this photo below  Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,595
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bwenyenye wrote:I think Sonko is doing a great job at killing SMEs in the city. Its time to relocate to the Suburbs and set up shop. At this rate, I don't see any serious person discussing business at Charlie's, WHy meet at a Java in CBD when you can find them at the Suburbs? Why get into CBD to buy a TV,phone or a Car radio when I can get them on Jumia cheaper delivered to me? Why have an office in town CBD unless I am a lawyer who needs to go to court every day? The actual resident of nairobi is actually treated with a lot of contempt. The upcountry buses, thika road, ngong road buses were all allocated pretty decent termini on Desai road, Park road. The nairobi circular routes matatus were allocated the shitty places like Muthurwa others were not even considered for any space. People from the suburbs were the ones complaining loudest about the walking. The residents of nairobi in kawangware, kibera,huruma, eastlands make a lot of trips on foot. I agree let some of these shops should shift to the suburbs. We can then have shops that cater for nairobi actual residents.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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What do people go to town to do anyways? Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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KulaRaha wrote:What do people go to town to do anyways? To meet other people who go to town Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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kaka2za wrote:KulaRaha wrote:What do people go to town to do anyways? To meet other people who go to town I work outside the CBD and I sometimes take 6 months before stepping kwa hiyo CBD. All the services (supermarkets, banks, hospitals, java, pubs etc) were devolved to the suburbs and neighborhood malls so unless you are visiting a govt office, there is no reason to visit CBD. And to get to the other side of town you use the bypasses and link roads.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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hardwood wrote:kaka2za wrote:KulaRaha wrote:What do people go to town to do anyways? To meet other people who go to town I work outside the CBD and I sometimes take 6 months before stepping kwa hiyo CBD. All the services (supermarkets, banks, hospitals, java, pubs etc) were devolved to the suburbs and neighborhood malls so unless you are visiting a govt office, there is no reason to visit CBD. And to get to the other side of town you use the bypasses and link roads. That's why I'm asking...I haven't been to town in months. If you're using public transport you need to be in town to catch connections, but why drive into town? Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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KulaRaha wrote:hardwood wrote:kaka2za wrote:KulaRaha wrote:What do people go to town to do anyways? To meet other people who go to town I work outside the CBD and I sometimes take 6 months before stepping kwa hiyo CBD. All the services (supermarkets, banks, hospitals, java, pubs etc) were devolved to the suburbs and neighborhood malls so unless you are visiting a govt office, there is no reason to visit CBD. And to get to the other side of town you use the bypasses and link roads. That's why I'm asking...I haven't been to town in months. If you're using public transport you need to be in town to catch connections, but why drive into town? Climb down from your Ivory tower lest you sound like madam Antoinette during the French revolution. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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kaka2za wrote:KulaRaha wrote:What do people go to town to do anyways? To meet other people who go to town  indeed I remember some days back when a joke was made that Nairobians dont work they walk the entire day. How do you explain the situation where the entire day, you only find guys loitering. Accept no one's definition of your life; define your life.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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KulaRaha wrote:hardwood wrote:kaka2za wrote:KulaRaha wrote:What do people go to town to do anyways? To meet other people who go to town I work outside the CBD and I sometimes take 6 months before stepping kwa hiyo CBD. All the services (supermarkets, banks, hospitals, java, pubs etc) were devolved to the suburbs and neighborhood malls so unless you are visiting a govt office, there is no reason to visit CBD. And to get to the other side of town you use the bypasses and link roads. That's why I'm asking...I haven't been to town in months. If you're using public transport you need to be in town to catch connections, but why drive into town? Because you work there or you need to shop
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/15/2018 Posts: 428
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Matatus are only a small part of the problem. Personal cars are a slightly larger part of the problem. The real culprit is that Nairobi is a poorly planned city and is also an infrastructure hell hole. 55 years of poor planning and corruption are taking its toll whether it be incessant traffic or lack of water or lack of adequate housing or floods.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,595
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Sonko in his true colours Quote:Mathira MP Rigathi Gachagua accused Nairobi governor Mike Sonko of sabotaging the Bill by “bulldozing” MPs not to adopt its proposals. “We all know what happened when the bill was in this House. The person who is behind the recent transport crisis in the city is the same person who sabotaged this Bill,” Gachagua said. Macharia said modalities will be put in place to end Nairobi transport problems. “The crisis that was witnessed will not occur again because all stakeholders will converge for the best interests of Kenyans,” the CS said. https://www.the-star.co....ort-in-nairobi_c1860760
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