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murchr
#3311 Posted : Saturday, March 16, 2013 8:13:21 PM
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Another EU bailout. When will this end? http://www.nytimes.com/2...h-out-of-banks.html?_r=0
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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hisah
#3312 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:58:49 AM
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Joined: 8/4/2010
Posts: 8,977
@murchr - I'm waking up to the Cyprus news and this sh** aint funny. Cyrus bailout terms is utter robbery by the state!? 10% one-time tax will be recovered from each account in any of the local banks?! Poor savers, Monday is a bank holiday in Cyrus meaning they can't withdraw deposits. Convenient the holiday for the banksters to avoid a bank run. Actually this is not a state bailout, but a bloody 'bail in' since the depositors/savers money is being seized (taxed) to hand over the bailout! Of the 10B EU is to provide as bailout is actually being paid by the Cypriot savers at almost 5.8B?! Almost a third of the GDP of Cyprus. Parliament has sunday & monday to ram (pass) a bill to make the one-time tax (seize aka confiscate) on deposits (100k euros & above and 6.75% tax for less than 100k) legal. Aicaramba! Madness galore d'oh!

@kk - I think euroland is just about to tip with gubberments getting really draconian Sad

'Revolts just happen, they're never planned'

http://www.businessinsid...icos-anastasiades-2013-3
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
murchr
#3313 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:09:27 AM
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hisah wrote:
@murchr - I'm waking up to the Cyprus news and this sh** aint funny. Cyrus bailout terms is utter robbery by the state!? 10% one-time tax will be recovered from each account in any of the local banks?! Poor savers, Monday is a bank holiday in Cyrus meaning they can't withdraw deposits. Convenient the holiday for the banksters to avoid a bank run. Actually this is not a state bailout, but a bloody 'bail in' since the depositors/savers money is being seized (taxed) to hand over the bailout! Of the 10B EU is to provide as bailout is actually being paid by the Cypriot savers at almost 5.8B?! Almost a third of the GDP of Cyprus. Parliament has sunday & monday to ram (pass) a bill to make the one-time tax (seize aka confiscate) on deposits (100k euros & above and 6.75% tax for less than 100k) legal. Aicaramba! Madness galore d'oh!

@kk - I think euroland is just about to tip with gubberments getting really draconian Sad

'Revolts just happen, they're never planned'

http://www.businessinsid...cos-anastasiades-2013-3


Robbery without violence. I read that the heavy depositors are Russians, can they sue? Money in the bank is not a guarantee these days. d'oh!
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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youcan'tstopusnow
#3314 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:04:53 AM
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Joined: 3/24/2010
Posts: 6,779
Location: Black Africa
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
hisah wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
hisah wrote:
Paulson feels the heat as gold tanks in 2013 - http://www.reuters.com/a...n-idUSBRE9261AB20130307

hisah, how soon do you expect gold's fortunes to turn? Or what will be the catalysing event to gold turning bullish?

Most likely another euroland debt surprise.

Thanks. Are you expecting a major event on the debt front?


hisah wrote:
@youcant - yes. The can has been kicked for too long without any fix since GFC. One systemic risk blow out with all the tsunami printing and it gets really murky.


That was fast...
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
hisah
#3315 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:10:47 AM
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Joined: 8/4/2010
Posts: 8,977
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
hisah wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
hisah wrote:
Paulson feels the heat as gold tanks in 2013 - http://www.reuters.com/a...n-idUSBRE9261AB20130307

hisah, how soon do you expect gold's fortunes to turn? Or what will be the catalysing event to gold turning bullish?

Most likely another euroland debt surprise.

Thanks. Are you expecting a major event on the debt front?


hisah wrote:
@youcant - yes. The can has been kicked for too long without any fix since GFC. One systemic risk blow out with all the tsunami printing and it gets really murky.


That was fast...

Euroland has been unstable since Nov 2009. I'm amazed that the system is somehow up. It's a systemic cesspool even with that bond buyout to infinite program by ECB & EU. This latest move will definitely rattle the PIIGS savers. I expect them to put up nasty capital controls to avoid capital flight and bank runs as this can easily spread systemic risk. With most of the PIIGS experiencing nasty recession with a restive citizen fabric, you can see what's coming...

As at @murchr puts it, bank deposits are not a guarantee! Money value is trust. When that trust is broken... The cyprus state has crossed the line, which it can't cross back. How confident will euroland be this experiment? How 'safe' is the euro as a store of value?

It is coming...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#3316 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:19:38 AM
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murchr wrote:
hisah wrote:
@murchr - I'm waking up to the Cyprus news and this sh** aint funny. Cyrus bailout terms is utter robbery by the state!? 10% one-time tax will be recovered from each account in any of the local banks?! Poor savers, Monday is a bank holiday in Cyrus meaning they can't withdraw deposits. Convenient the holiday for the banksters to avoid a bank run. Actually this is not a state bailout, but a bloody 'bail in' since the depositors/savers money is being seized (taxed) to hand over the bailout! Of the 10B EU is to provide as bailout is actually being paid by the Cypriot savers at almost 5.8B?! Almost a third of the GDP of Cyprus. Parliament has sunday & monday to ram (pass) a bill to make the one-time tax (seize aka confiscate) on deposits (100k euros & above and 6.75% tax for less than 100k) legal. Aicaramba! Madness galore d'oh!

@kk - I think euroland is just about to tip with gubberments getting really draconian Sad

'Revolts just happen, they're never planned'

http://www.businessinsid...cos-anastasiades-2013-3


Robbery without violence. I read that the heavy depositors are Russians, can they sue? Money in the bank is not a guarantee these days. d'oh!

They could as well be ghosts, aliens etc. Who cares? Stop looking at the sideshow. The message is loud & clear. Deposits are now bailout infected. Tax payers funds are no longer a good source! So you pay taxes and now your savings lifeline is also a target!

Gubberment collapse & they'll be many coming soon... This is 1930s again.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
murchr
#3317 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:23:53 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
hisah wrote:
murchr wrote:
hisah wrote:
@murchr - I'm waking up to the Cyprus news and this sh** aint funny. Cyrus bailout terms is utter robbery by the state!? 10% one-time tax will be recovered from each account in any of the local banks?! Poor savers, Monday is a bank holiday in Cyrus meaning they can't withdraw deposits. Convenient the holiday for the banksters to avoid a bank run. Actually this is not a state bailout, but a bloody 'bail in' since the depositors/savers money is being seized (taxed) to hand over the bailout! Of the 10B EU is to provide as bailout is actually being paid by the Cypriot savers at almost 5.8B?! Almost a third of the GDP of Cyprus. Parliament has sunday & monday to ram (pass) a bill to make the one-time tax (seize aka confiscate) on deposits (100k euros & above and 6.75% tax for less than 100k) legal. Aicaramba! Madness galore d'oh!

@kk - I think euroland is just about to tip with gubberments getting really draconian Sad

'Revolts just happen, they're never planned'

http://www.businessinsid...cos-anastasiades-2013-3


Robbery without violence. I read that the heavy depositors are Russians, can they sue? Money in the bank is not a guarantee these days. d'oh!

They could as well be ghosts, aliens etc. Who cares? Stop looking at the sideshow. The message is loud & clear. Deposits are now bailout infected. Tax payers funds are no longer a good source! So you pay taxes and now your savings lifeline is also a target!

Gubberment collapse & they'll be many coming soon... This is 1930s again.



Pray Pray
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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karanjakinuthia
#3318 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:12:32 AM
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Joined: 11/13/2006
Posts: 551
Location: Nairobi
"I place the economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers... We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy." - Thomas Jefferson

The distinction between the Sovereign Debt Crisis of 1931 and today is that back then the nations of Europe with the exception of Britain and Switzerland, China and Latin America all defaulted on their debt, wiped out the bondholders most of whom were in the United States and began afresh with a clean slate. Today, however, the politicians are avoiding the pain and stigma of default by seeking bailouts and chasing the wealth of the citizenry.

If the politicians in Cyprus decide to confiscate 10% of the nation's saving's accounts, they will have played into the hands of the bondholders and are merely delaying the inevitable default. If capital is not safe in bank accounts, it will flee the borders or go under matresses. If capital is not safe in bank accounts, how will those with excess capital dispense loans and investments to entrepreneurs? If businesses cannot access loans and investments, how will they function and grow? How then will taxation from a declining economy pay off a BIGGER debt load? Will the government now raid pension funds and retirement accounts next to pay the bondholders? Europe is dead in the water.

"(Reuters) - Cyprus's parliament will decide on Sunday whether savers must pay a levy on bank deposits under terms for an international bailout to avert bankruptcy - with approval far from certain.

The euro zone demand on Saturday that savers pay up to 10 percent of deposits as a condition for the 10 billion euro ($13 billion) bailout drew fury in the eastern Mediterranean island and caused some jitters elsewhere in the region..."

Read more:

http://www.reuters.com/a...s-idUSBRE92E02220130317


The rest of Europe is watching Cyprus. More so Russia. Here are the comments from renown gold investor, Jim Sinclair:

"“The wire reports on the Cyprus situation are working overtime to try to make the case that 80% of the deposits belong to the people of Cyprus, and only 20% of the deposits belong to the Russians. That’s absolutely false. After 1985, when the ‘Robber Barrons’ of Russia took over the general economics of Russia, that was the transformation from the KGB to private business. The primary place for exported Russian funds was Cyprus.


Now, there is one leader in the world that would be very dangerous to challenge and that is Putin of Russia...."

Read more:

http://kingworldnews.com...n_History_%26_Gold.html


[quote=hisah]@murchr - I'm waking up to the Cyprus news and this sh** aint funny. Cyrus bailout terms is utter robbery by the state!? 10% one-time tax will be recovered from each account in any of the local banks?! Poor savers, Monday is a bank holiday in Cyrus meaning they can't withdraw deposits. Convenient the holiday for the banksters to avoid a bank run. Actually this is not a state bailout, but a bloody 'bail in' since the depositors/savers money is being seized (taxed) to hand over the bailout! Of the 10B EU is to provide as bailout is actually being paid by the Cypriot savers at almost 5.8B?! Almost a third of the GDP of Cyprus. Parliament has sunday & monday to ram (pass) a bill to make the one-time tax (seize aka confiscate) on deposits (100k euros & above and 6.75% tax for less than 100k) legal. Aicaramba! Madness galore d'oh!

@kk - I think euroland is just about to tip with gubberments getting really draconian Sad

'Revolts just happen, they're never planned'

http://www.businessinsid...cos-anastasiades-2013-3[/quote]
hisah
#3319 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:41:37 AM
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Joined: 8/4/2010
Posts: 8,977
The market forgets very fast! Back in 2011 the cyprus banks were declared very fit by the EU bank stress tests - http://www.centralbank.g...?a_id=11847&lang=en

@kk - in short the bondholders have held a gun on the cypriot head. Take the damn option or we pull the liquidity plug off! With roma now under a 'bank unfriendly pm' as well as a hung parliament, italy is going to be interesting watch as this unfolds. Italian banks and also spanish banks sit on some radioactive insolvent debts. There is scope for a systemic risk trigger if politicians can't handle the citizen outrage esp spain, greece and italy.

Meanwhile Tunisians are back on the street with a bigger crowd than when the president was kicked out in 2011...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#3320 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:48:23 AM
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Joined: 8/4/2010
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@kk - btw the EU depositors insurance which covers euro states has now been rendered a risky asset by this Cyrus state raid of deposits. This is another legal circus...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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