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Whats Wrong with Men Stripping Women in Public
alma
#321 Posted : Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:36:36 AM
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Like I said, I have no problem whatsoever with that sacco being shut down. Obviously by not bringing this matatu crew which they knew, they are part of the problem

If they also saw it fit to put themselves in Saccos as Bigchick has said, then let them suffer for their stupidity and greed. Who doesn't know matatu saccos were created to fleece any new entrants into that business.

But I have a worry about letting gov't act like this when they feel like. I had said that they will likely be on the roads on Tuesday. I was wrong. They are there today.

Corruption in this country and the law are very interesting things to watch. They just told lady Waiguru to stick it.

Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
kysse
#322 Posted : Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:53:46 AM
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What is wrong with the people of kenya. We are strange in a bad way ,it's scary.
We have got multiple problems compounding us yet we go out of our way to create more societal probs than we can handle.
And we spend weeks as a country discussing fellows who have nothing better to do with their minds.
If cops had acted swiftly and dealt with the first incident mercilesly we wouldnt be here 3 wks later discussing the githurai one as a matter of national concern alongside terrorism and insecurity.
I mean it's a BIG shame for prezzo to discuss stripping of women by touts with the world watching when he has security team in place.They are sleeping on,job- that's the problem.

It's a jungle in here where extreme action is taken based not on the severity of the crime but on the hullabaloo it creates.

Be your own cop.
tycho
#323 Posted : Saturday, November 29, 2014 11:03:18 AM
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Can punishment alone deter crime? I doubt it. Punishment needs to be in a context in which the opportunity cost for a crime is high, and education and even re-education is active and effective.

So far, in Kenya the opportunity cost for crime seems to be lowering by the day, and education and re-education is chaotic. Apparently this is due to what @alma is calling 'pure capitalism'.

It's okay to expect government to protect the citizens, but how can the citizen know and even ensure that the government is enlightened? So far, going by the sentiments here and elsewhere the citizen doesn't seem to care.

'The government should just do something', mass man says.

sparkly
#324 Posted : Saturday, November 29, 2014 11:04:10 AM
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One other concern is what the anti-stripping squad will be doing in their free time. The squad is armed, with a vague mandate and lose command.

Stripping a person in public is a spontaneous mob event that takes two minutes max and the mob disperses. This calls for an investigative approach rather than a rapid armed/ forceful response to bring the perpetrators to book.

These guys will go around shooting men alafu hakuna aja ya kuwekelewa bonoko sababu bonoko tayari unayo.
Life is short. Live passionately.
Rahatupu
#325 Posted : Saturday, November 29, 2014 11:04:34 AM
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Bigchick wrote:
@Alma,the companies act is limiting to the operations of a matatu operators more so the savings and credit part as well as governance hence their registration under the cooperatives act.

@sparkly, more heat and no light in your good words and theories. Reality check: this is Nairobi matatu industry. without such drastic action there wouldn't be any change in behaviour in the matatu industry. It's not collective punishment but firmness in regulatory compliance. The licensing connotes agreement to certain standards of behaviour which harassment is not one of them thuggery must be condemned and discouraged by whatever means necessary.
Ngong
#326 Posted : Saturday, November 29, 2014 11:56:59 AM
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Welcome our new CS Internal Security!
Since one AP Policeman was also involved, I suggest you ban the whole AP force for 14 Days, ili iwe funzo kwa AP wengine wenye nia kama yake and also ban further the gang he said he belongs to!
Karibu
kysse
#327 Posted : Saturday, November 29, 2014 11:57:32 AM
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Just thinking.

If you survive rape or sexual molestation as a child in kenya ,you'd probably get stripped or molested in teenage and if you survive that, some bugger will rape you when you are 89yrs old.If you survive that, I hear that even death is no saviour.
And after you are long buried your animals will suffer the same fate

Kenya yetu hakuna matata.
tycho
#328 Posted : Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:31:41 PM
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Meanwhile, as 'Kenyans' take on the path of splitting their personalities, their role models in America are coming to terms, I bet very slowly, with their civic impotence http://mobile.nytimes.co...ding-movement.html?_r=0

And in Egypt, http://m.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30258537
Kratos
#329 Posted : Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:42:45 PM
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Stripping of women is part of sexual aggression that also includes rape and gender-based violence. All these barbaric acts are meant to intimidate women and make them feel inferior. They are the greatest violation of human rights tolerated by society. In that vulnerable position, inadequate men feel secure and reassured that they are still the better ones after all.

-Joachim Osur
Technical Director, Reproductive and Child Health
AMREF HEADQUARTERS


“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
tycho
#330 Posted : Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:59:41 PM
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Kratos wrote:
Quote:
Stripping of women is part of sexual aggression that also includes rape and gender-based violence. All these barbaric acts are meant to intimidate women and make them feel inferior. They are the greatest violation of human rights tolerated by society. In that vulnerable position, inadequate men feel secure and reassured that they are still the better ones after all.

-Joachim Osur
Technical Director, Reproductive and Child Health
AMREF HEADQUARTERS



Is there a standard that can be used to guide us in prescribing and facilitating relationships between men and women? On what do these standards, if they exist, depend on?
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