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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Ebenyo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:KenGen traded at between 6.40 and 6.60 today. When one calculates the time value of money, those who paid cash for the Rights are already losing money. Paper losses It was bound to happen.. This share bruised me. Glad I left albeit at a loss Let it continue coming down.Im patiently waiting to load again at 4.80 Why 4.80? My Reasons as follows: 1.My entry price was kshs 6.80 2.My current average buying price is kshs 7.00 3.So if i load again at 4.80,i will have averaged my buying down to 6.30 Its possible, this is a buyers market. If convinced that it will touch 4.80, why not sell at 6.50 and pick much more at 4.80? Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:KenGen traded at between 6.40 and 6.60 today. When one calculates the time value of money, those who paid cash for the Rights are already losing money. Paper losses It was bound to happen.. This share bruised me. Glad I left albeit at a loss Let it continue coming down.Im patiently waiting to load again at 4.80 Why 4.80? My Reasons as follows: 1.My entry price was kshs 6.80 2.My current average buying price is kshs 7.00 3.So if i load again at 4.80,i will have averaged my buying down to 6.30 Its possible, this is a buyers market. If convinced that it will touch 4.80, why not sell at 6.50 and pick much more at 4.80? Don't confuse the man. He he The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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Aguytrying wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:KenGen traded at between 6.40 and 6.60 today. When one calculates the time value of money, those who paid cash for the Rights are already losing money. Paper losses It was bound to happen.. This share bruised me. Glad I left albeit at a loss Let it continue coming down.Im patiently waiting to load again at 4.80 Why 4.80? My Reasons as follows: 1.My entry price was kshs 6.80 2.My current average buying price is kshs 7.00 3.So if i load again at 4.80,i will have averaged my buying down to 6.30 Its possible, this is a buyers market. If convinced that it will touch 4.80, why not sell at 6.50 and pick much more at 4.80? Don't confuse the man. He he It shall drown after brutal strangulation under deep seas of the bear. John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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Spikes wrote:Aguytrying wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:KenGen traded at between 6.40 and 6.60 today. When one calculates the time value of money, those who paid cash for the Rights are already losing money. Paper losses It was bound to happen.. This share bruised me. Glad I left albeit at a loss Let it continue coming down.Im patiently waiting to load again at 4.80 Why 4.80? My Reasons as follows: 1.My entry price was kshs 6.80 2.My current average buying price is kshs 7.00 3.So if i load again at 4.80,i will have averaged my buying down to 6.30 Its possible, this is a buyers market. If convinced that it will touch 4.80, why not sell at 6.50 and pick much more at 4.80? Don't confuse the man. He he It shall drown after brutal strangulation under deep seas of the bear. @sparkly: warren buffet rule no. 1.never loose money.Rule no.2 Dont forget rule number one @Aguy,who? @spikes,what do you think will be the rock bottom price? Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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Ebenyo wrote:Spikes wrote:Aguytrying wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:KenGen traded at between 6.40 and 6.60 today. When one calculates the time value of money, those who paid cash for the Rights are already losing money. Paper losses It was bound to happen.. This share bruised me. Glad I left albeit at a loss Let it continue coming down.Im patiently waiting to load again at 4.80 Why 4.80? My Reasons as follows: 1.My entry price was kshs 6.80 2.My current average buying price is kshs 7.00 3.So if i load again at 4.80,i will have averaged my buying down to 6.30 Its possible, this is a buyers market. If convinced that it will touch 4.80, why not sell at 6.50 and pick much more at 4.80? Don't confuse the man. He he It shall drown after brutal strangulation under deep seas of the bear. @sparkly: warren buffet rule no. 1.never loose money.Rule no.2 Dont forget rule number one @Aguy,who? @spikes,what do you think will be the rock bottom price? As time progresses some savvy individuals will enter at KES 3.5/-. I'll also feast on this one! John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/21/2014 Posts: 100 Location: Ghana
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Gradually losing steam due to price correction as a result of dilution due to concluded rights of 6.55 per share. Will surely touch 5bob in coming months.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Spikes wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Spikes wrote:Aguytrying wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:KenGen traded at between 6.40 and 6.60 today. When one calculates the time value of money, those who paid cash for the Rights are already losing money. Paper losses It was bound to happen.. This share bruised me. Glad I left albeit at a loss Let it continue coming down.Im patiently waiting to load again at 4.80 Why 4.80? My Reasons as follows: 1.My entry price was kshs 6.80 2.My current average buying price is kshs 7.00 3.So if i load again at 4.80,i will have averaged my buying down to 6.30 Its possible, this is a buyers market. If convinced that it will touch 4.80, why not sell at 6.50 and pick much more at 4.80? Don't confuse the man. He he It shall drown after brutal strangulation under deep seas of the bear. @sparkly: warren buffet rule no. 1.never loose money.Rule no.2 Dont forget rule number one @Aguy,who? @spikes,what do you think will be the rock bottom price? As time progresses some savvy individuals will enter at KES 3.5/-. I'll also feast on this one! If KQ with negative 30B equity has not hit 3.5 what makes you sure that Kengen with positive 170B positive equity will hit that amount? Watu waache mchezo. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,590
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sparkly wrote:Spikes wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Spikes wrote:Aguytrying wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:KenGen traded at between 6.40 and 6.60 today. When one calculates the time value of money, those who paid cash for the Rights are already losing money. Paper losses It was bound to happen.. This share bruised me. Glad I left albeit at a loss Let it continue coming down.Im patiently waiting to load again at 4.80 Why 4.80? My Reasons as follows: 1.My entry price was kshs 6.80 2.My current average buying price is kshs 7.00 3.So if i load again at 4.80,i will have averaged my buying down to 6.30 Its possible, this is a buyers market. If convinced that it will touch 4.80, why not sell at 6.50 and pick much more at 4.80? Don't confuse the man. He he It shall drown after brutal strangulation under deep seas of the bear. @sparkly: warren buffet rule no. 1.never loose money.Rule no.2 Dont forget rule number one @Aguy,who? @spikes,what do you think will be the rock bottom price? As time progresses some savvy individuals will enter at KES 3.5/-. I'll also feast on this one! If KQ with negative 30B equity has not hit 3.5 what makes you sure that Kengen with positive 170B positive equity will hit that amount? Watu waache mchezo. KDF(kengen defence forces)
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/31/2007 Posts: 303
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sparkly wrote:Spikes wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Spikes wrote:Aguytrying wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:KenGen traded at between 6.40 and 6.60 today. When one calculates the time value of money, those who paid cash for the Rights are already losing money. Paper losses It was bound to happen.. This share bruised me. Glad I left albeit at a loss Let it continue coming down.Im patiently waiting to load again at 4.80 Why 4.80? My Reasons as follows: 1.My entry price was kshs 6.80 2.My current average buying price is kshs 7.00 3.So if i load again at 4.80,i will have averaged my buying down to 6.30 Its possible, this is a buyers market. If convinced that it will touch 4.80, why not sell at 6.50 and pick much more at 4.80? Don't confuse the man. He he It shall drown after brutal strangulation under deep seas of the bear. @sparkly: warren buffet rule no. 1.never loose money.Rule no.2 Dont forget rule number one @Aguy,who? @spikes,what do you think will be the rock bottom price? As time progresses some savvy individuals will enter at KES 3.5/-. I'll also feast on this one! If KQ with negative 30B equity has not hit 3.5 what makes you sure that Kengen with positive 170B positive equity will hit that amount? Watu waache mchezo. Tell them ..just because things are down today, they shall not forever remain so.They should not be too pessimistic as to be blind to the opportunity staring at them.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/30/2016 Posts: 332 Location: Kayole
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Realcement wrote:Gradually losing steam due to price correction as a result of dilution due to concluded rights of 6.55 per share. Will surely touch 5bob in coming months. @Realcement what do you mean? I see you are in Ghana send some fufu to Kayole KEGN, KPLC, KQ, SCOM
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/21/2014 Posts: 100 Location: Ghana
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mkate_nusu wrote:Realcement wrote:Gradually losing steam due to price correction as a result of dilution due to concluded rights of 6.55 per share. Will surely touch 5bob in coming months. @Realcement what do you mean? I see you are in Ghana send some fufu to Kayole Ok Ok
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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Realcement wrote:mkate_nusu wrote:Realcement wrote:Gradually losing steam due to price correction as a result of dilution due to concluded rights of 6.55 per share. Will surely touch 5bob in coming months. @Realcement what do you mean? I see you are in Ghana send some fufu to Kayole Ok Ok I had asked earlier for abemu dru,you never said anything .also need some kobi and smoked catfish . Let me know when you come to kenya ,need to make some palm nut soup.im serious though
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,103 Location: Nairobi
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West African food is da bomb! Palm Nut Soup Fufu Bahnku Jollof Rice Groundnut Sauce Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,300 Location: kenya
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VituVingiSana wrote:West African food is da bomb!
Palm Nut Soup Fufu Bahnku Jollof Rice Groundnut Sauce That's one thing I'm addicted to . Ate it once with a friend and had a dried salty fish called kobi.ate it with some fufu , never ate a meal like that in my life.then you enter Gambia ,another sweet delicacy called benechin, plasus,ocra soup and finally mbahal.west african women can cook man .anyway back to kengen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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moneydust wrote:sparkly wrote:Spikes wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Spikes wrote:Aguytrying wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:sparkly wrote:Ebenyo wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:KenGen traded at between 6.40 and 6.60 today. When one calculates the time value of money, those who paid cash for the Rights are already losing money. Paper losses It was bound to happen.. This share bruised me. Glad I left albeit at a loss Let it continue coming down.Im patiently waiting to load again at 4.80 Why 4.80? My Reasons as follows: 1.My entry price was kshs 6.80 2.My current average buying price is kshs 7.00 3.So if i load again at 4.80,i will have averaged my buying down to 6.30 Its possible, this is a buyers market. If convinced that it will touch 4.80, why not sell at 6.50 and pick much more at 4.80? Don't confuse the man. He he It shall drown after brutal strangulation under deep seas of the bear. @sparkly: warren buffet rule no. 1.never loose money.Rule no.2 Dont forget rule number one @Aguy,who? @spikes,what do you think will be the rock bottom price? As time progresses some savvy individuals will enter at KES 3.5/-. I'll also feast on this one! If KQ with negative 30B equity has not hit 3.5 what makes you sure that Kengen with positive 170B positive equity will hit that amount? Watu waache mchezo. Tell them ..just because things are down today, they shall not forever remain so.They should not be too pessimistic as to be blind to the opportunity staring at them. Jesus taught us how to wait for the Bull... "Then the Kingdom of Heaven will be like ten virgins {Investors}, who took their lamps, and went out to meet the bridegroom {Bull market}. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. Those who were foolish, when they took their lamps, took no oil {spare cash} with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. Now while the bridegroom delayed, they all slumbered and slept. But at midnight there was a cry, "Behold! The bridegroom is coming! Come out to meet him!" Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. The foolish said to the wise, "Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out." But the wise answered, saying, "What if there isn't enough for us and you? You go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves." While they went away to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. Afterward the other virgins also came, saying, "Lord, Lord, open to us." But he answered, "Most certainly I tell you, I don't know you." {You missed the bull} Watch therefore, for you don't know the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming." — Matthew 25:1-13 Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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Realcement wrote:Gradually losing steam due to price correction as a result of dilution due to concluded rights of 6.55 per share. Will surely touch 5bob in coming months. Guys who were rushing to get the rights we said you can get them cheaper and we were right now at 6.30. Like Realcement I also expect lower prices in the next few months. Dilution effects take time, combine with the bear run adds weight The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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Kengen statistics based on FY 2015 results. 1.R.O.E- 8% 2.E.P.S- kshs 1.80 3.DPS- kshs 0.65 4.PER- kshs 3.50 5.Debt/equity-142% 6.ROA-3% 7.Shareholders equity- 141,594,000,000 8.Debts-200,926,000,000 9.Assets-342,520,000,000 10.Retained earnings-136,098,000,000 Comments *Needs to do more to increase return on assets.This will help in reducing high debt to equity ratio. *Healthy NAV *Need to reduce debts dependency FY 2016 results will be released on october.We shall see if there will be any new development. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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Ebenyo wrote:Kengen statistics based on FY 2015 results. 1.R.O.E- 8% 2.E.P.S- kshs 1.80 3.DPS- kshs 0.65 4.PER- kshs 3.50 5.Debt/equity-142% 6.ROA-3% 7.Shareholders equity- 141,594,000,000 8.Debts-200,926,000,000 9.Assets-342,520,000,000 10.Retained earnings-136,098,000,000
Comments *Needs to do more to increase return on assets.This will help in reducing high debt to equity ratio. *Healthy NAV *Need to reduce debts dependency
FY 2016 results will be released on october.We shall see if there will be any new development.
200 bn in debts. Thats where i ran, debt is a cruel mistress if she turns on you. ask KK, KQ, ARM etc The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2016 Posts: 1,997 Location: Kitale
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Aguytrying wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Kengen statistics based on FY 2015 results. 1.R.O.E- 8% 2.E.P.S- kshs 1.80 3.DPS- kshs 0.65 4.PER- kshs 3.50 5.Debt/equity-142% 6.ROA-3% 7.Shareholders equity- 141,594,000,000 8.Debts-200,926,000,000 9.Assets-342,520,000,000 10.Retained earnings-136,098,000,000
Comments *Needs to do more to increase return on assets.This will help in reducing high debt to equity ratio. *Healthy NAV *Need to reduce debts dependency
FY 2016 results will be released on october.We shall see if there will be any new development.
200 bn in debts. Thats where i ran, debt is a cruel mistress if she turns on you. ask KK, KQ, ARM etc I agree with you.KK debt is manageable at the ratio of 94% to equity.Both KQ and ARM are out of hands.Kq repay their debts at 7 bilion annualy.The total debt is 113 bilion.It will take the next 16 years for them to clear it.Kengen pays 3 bilion yearly for their 200 bn debts.The uchumi scenerio was scaring.And to add salt to the injury,we shareholders are ranked last during the company liquidation.Debtors are first then preference shareholders. With the georthermal production which is said to be cheaper than dams construction,i think kengen will do well to try to reduce the debt dependency in the long run.I will keenly be watching their debt/equity ratio YoY. Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Ebenyo wrote:Aguytrying wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Kengen statistics based on FY 2015 results. 1.R.O.E- 8% 2.E.P.S- kshs 1.80 3.DPS- kshs 0.65 4.PER- kshs 3.50 5.Debt/equity-142% 6.ROA-3% 7.Shareholders equity- 141,594,000,000 8.Debts-200,926,000,000 9.Assets-342,520,000,000 10.Retained earnings-136,098,000,000
Comments *Needs to do more to increase return on assets.This will help in reducing high debt to equity ratio. *Healthy NAV *Need to reduce debts dependency
FY 2016 results will be released on october.We shall see if there will be any new development.
200 bn in debts. Thats where i ran, debt is a cruel mistress if she turns on you. ask KK, KQ, ARM etc I agree with you.KK debt is manageable at the ratio of 94% to equity.Both KQ and ARM are out of hands.Kq repay their debts at 7 bilion annualy.The total debt is 113 bilion.It will take the next 16 years for them to clear it.Kengen pays 3 bilion yearly for their 200 bn debts.The uchumi scenerio was scaring.And to add salt to the injury,we shareholders are ranked last during the company liquidation.Debtors are first then preference shareholders. With the georthermal production which is said to be cheaper than dams construction,i think kengen will do well to try to reduce the debt dependency in the long run. I will keenly be watching their debt/equity ratio YoY. You will watch for a looong time. The tenure of long term debt is mostly 15-25 years and they are not done with borrowing. Life is short. Live passionately.
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