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Wai!! it is a blood bath, kcb, coop, equity down 9%
HaMaina
#436 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 1:43:06 PM
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Banking Circular No 6 of 2016
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
HaMaina
#437 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 1:45:30 PM
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“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
HaMaina
#438 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 2:03:20 PM
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Joined: 4/23/2014
Posts: 931
BANKING CIRCULAR NO.6 OF 2016
TO CHIEF EXECUTIVES OF COMMERCIAL BANKS AND MORTGAGE
FINANCE COMPANIES
INCREASE OF CHARGES AND CONVERSION OF SAVINGS PRODUCTS TO
TRANSACTIONAL PRODUCTS
Since the Banking (Amendment) Act, 20 16 came into force on September 14, 20 16, the
Central Bank of Kenya (CBK) has received some applications from institutions seeking
approval to increase charges on their products. CBK has also received a number of
complaints from bank customers stating that their banks have imposed arbitrary charge s or
unilaterally converted their savings accounts into transactional accounts, and thereby losing
the benefits that were accruing from those savings accounts.

CBK hereby draws your attention to the requirements of the following provisions of the law:
i) Sections 16A (I ) and 44 of the Banking Act and Section 31A of the Banking
(Amendment) Act, 2016.
ii) Regulation 2 and 7 of the Banking (Increase of Rate of Banking and Other
Charges) Regulations, 2006.
iii) Clauses 3.2.3(a)( i), 3.2.9(a), 3.4.4(i) & (ii) and 3.4.6(a)( iii) of the Prudential
Guideline on Consumer Protection (CBKJPG/22).
These provisions provide for the following:
I) Savings, seven-day, call, and fixed deposit accounts should not attract any charge.
2) All products sought to be offered by any bank must be approved by CBK prior to
roll out.
3) Any proposed change to and/or in any feature of an approved product must be
approved by CBK. Each product has its own unique feature s. It is these features
that constitute the product, which must be approved by CBK. Approval by CBK of
a product means appro val of the feature s of the product as described by an
institution to the CBK. Any change in the features of the product changes the
product as earlier approved and therefore the changed product with less. more or
otherwise varied feature(s ) must be approved by CBK prior to rollout.
1
.,
"
4) Any charges on any product must be approved by CBK.
5) Any increase in charges on any product must be approved by CBK.
6) Institutions are required to exp lain to their customers the reasons behind any
decision to vary charges or terms & conditions of a contract.
7) Institutions are required to notify their customers within a reasonable time
(preferably one month) prior to varying any charges.
8) Institutions must disclose to their customers the total cost of credit.
We draw your attention to the following :
i) Any change of and/or in any feature of an approved product without the prior
approval of CBK is illegal.
ii) A savings, seven-day, ca ll or fixed deposit account product which by law does not
attract any charge cannot be converted to a transaction account (which may attract
charges) without the prior consent of the customer and without the prior approval
of CBK.
iii) Institutions need to amend their respective contracts with their customers to
incorporate the new legal requirements on disclosure of charges and terms.
iv) Any changes which may have been effected by institutions without the requisite
CBK approval should be reversed immediately.
v) Any conversion of a savings, seven-day , call or fixed deposit account product to a
transaction account which may have been effected by any institution should be
reversed immediately.
CBK will follow up, on a case by case basis, with any institution which may have violated
the law relating to approval of charges and products and appropriate action shall be taken
against the affec ted institution.
"
In case of any query or clarification, please contact:
Th e Director,
Bank Supervision Department
Central Bank of Kenya
P.O. Box 60000 - 00200
NAIROBI
Tel: 2863005
Email: fin@centralbank.go.ke
GERAlJYAOMA
DIRECTOR, BANK SUPERVISION
Cc: Chief Executive Officer
Kenya Bankers Association
13th Floor, International Life House
Mama Ngina Street
NAIROBI
“You can get in way more trouble with a good idea than a bad idea, because you forget that the good idea has limits.” - Ben Graham
watesh
#439 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 5:31:22 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 8/10/2014
Posts: 992
Location: Kenya
HaMaina wrote:
BANKING CIRCULAR NO.6 OF 2016
TO CHIEF EXECUTIVES OF COMMERCIAL BANKS AND MORTGAGE
FINANCE COMPANIES
INCREASE OF CHARGES AND CONVERSION OF SAVINGS PRODUCTS TO
TRANSACTIONAL PRODUCTS
Since the Banking (Amendment) Act, 20 16 came into force on September 14, 20 16, the
Central Bank of Kenya (CBK) has received some applications from institutions seeking
approval to increase charges on their products. CBK has also received a number of
complaints from bank customers stating that their banks have imposed arbitrary charge s or
unilaterally converted their savings accounts into transactional accounts, and thereby losing
the benefits that were accruing from those savings accounts.

CBK hereby draws your attention to the requirements of the following provisions of the law:
i) Sections 16A (I ) and 44 of the Banking Act and Section 31A of the Banking
(Amendment) Act, 2016.
ii) Regulation 2 and 7 of the Banking (Increase of Rate of Banking and Other
Charges) Regulations, 2006.
iii) Clauses 3.2.3(a)( i), 3.2.9(a), 3.4.4(i) & (ii) and 3.4.6(a)( iii) of the Prudential
Guideline on Consumer Protection (CBKJPG/22).
These provisions provide for the following:
I) Savings, seven-day, call, and fixed deposit accounts should not attract any charge.
2) All products sought to be offered by any bank must be approved by CBK prior to
roll out.
3) Any proposed change to and/or in any feature of an approved product must be
approved by CBK. Each product has its own unique feature s. It is these features
that constitute the product, which must be approved by CBK. Approval by CBK of
a product means appro val of the feature s of the product as described by an
institution to the CBK. Any change in the features of the product changes the
product as earlier approved and therefore the changed product with less. more or
otherwise varied feature(s ) must be approved by CBK prior to rollout.
1
.,
"
4) Any charges on any product must be approved by CBK.
5) Any increase in charges on any product must be approved by CBK.
6) Institutions are required to exp lain to their customers the reasons behind any
decision to vary charges or terms & conditions of a contract.
7) Institutions are required to notify their customers within a reasonable time
(preferably one month) prior to varying any charges.
8) Institutions must disclose to their customers the total cost of credit.
We draw your attention to the following :
i) Any change of and/or in any feature of an approved product without the prior
approval of CBK is illegal.
ii) A savings, seven-day, ca ll or fixed deposit account product which by law does not
attract any charge cannot be converted to a transaction account (which may attract
charges) without the prior consent of the customer and without the prior approval
of CBK.
iii) Institutions need to amend their respective contracts with their customers to
incorporate the new legal requirements on disclosure of charges and terms.
iv) Any changes which may have been effected by institutions without the requisite
CBK approval should be reversed immediately.
v) Any conversion of a savings, seven-day , call or fixed deposit account product to a
transaction account which may have been effected by any institution should be
reversed immediately.
CBK will follow up, on a case by case basis, with any institution which may have violated
the law relating to approval of charges and products and appropriate action shall be taken
against the affec ted institution.
"
In case of any query or clarification, please contact:
Th e Director,
Bank Supervision Department
Central Bank of Kenya
P.O. Box 60000 - 00200
NAIROBI
Tel: 2863005
Email: fin@centralbank.go.ke
GERAlJYAOMA
DIRECTOR, BANK SUPERVISION
Cc: Chief Executive Officer
Kenya Bankers Association
13th Floor, International Life House
Mama Ngina Street
NAIROBI

CBK trying to rip open the wound created by members of parliament. Cant wait for Q4 2016 and Q1 2017. For now I have put a pause in banking stocks purchases till i see the extent of the injuries.
sparkly
#440 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 8:55:11 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
hisah wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Guys are very quiet.
kwani wako mourning

I like the silence. The crowd is spooked and it feels hopeless. Perfect ground for bottom fishing smile

@ Hidah which banks are on your cross hairs
Life is short. Live passionately.
Angelica _ann
#441 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 9:05:02 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,935
sparkly wrote:
hisah wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Guys are very quiet.
kwani wako mourning

I like the silence. The crowd is spooked and it feels hopeless. Perfect ground for bottom fishing smile

@ Hidah which banks are on your cross hairs

Please the name is @hisah. Made me money so ask better questions
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
hisah
#442 Posted : Thursday, October 06, 2016 4:37:10 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 8/4/2010
Posts: 8,977
Angelica _ann wrote:
sparkly wrote:
hisah wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Guys are very quiet.
kwani wako mourning

I like the silence. The crowd is spooked and it feels hopeless. Perfect ground for bottom fishing smile

@ Hidah which banks are on your cross hairs

Please the name is @hisah. Made me money so ask better questions

I'm currently scoping KCB, EQTY DTB, I&M and CFC. Will likely pick 3 out of the 5 when I decide to make the move. Since banks have been clobbered hard, these will be positions to hold for at least 2 years.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
obiero
#443 Posted : Thursday, October 06, 2016 6:38:19 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,211
Location: nairobi
hisah wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
sparkly wrote:
hisah wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Guys are very quiet.
kwani wako mourning

I like the silence. The crowd is spooked and it feels hopeless. Perfect ground for bottom fishing smile

@ Hidah which banks are on your cross hairs

Please the name is @hisah. Made me money so ask better questions

I'm currently scoping KCB, EQTY DTB, I&M and CFC. Will likely pick 3 out of the 5 when I decide to make the move. Since banks have been clobbered hard, these will be positions to hold for at least 2 years.

@elderhisah please look at the H1 2015 to H1 2016 for I&M and revert

KQ ABP 4.26
sparkly
#444 Posted : Thursday, October 06, 2016 7:22:07 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
obiero wrote:
hisah wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
sparkly wrote:
hisah wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Guys are very quiet.
kwani wako mourning

I like the silence. The crowd is spooked and it feels hopeless. Perfect ground for bottom fishing smile

@ Hidah which banks are on your cross hairs

Please the name is @hisah. Made me money so ask better questions

I'm currently scoping KCB, EQTY DTB, I&M and CFC. Will likely pick 3 out of the 5 when I decide to make the move. Since banks have been clobbered hard, these will be positions to hold for at least 2 years.

@elderhisah please look at the H1 2015 to H1 2016 for I&M and revert


@ChiefHisah smile
Life is short. Live passionately.
sparkly
#445 Posted : Thursday, October 06, 2016 7:25:50 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
Angelica _ann wrote:
sparkly wrote:
hisah wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Guys are very quiet.
kwani wako mourning

I like the silence. The crowd is spooked and it feels hopeless. Perfect ground for bottom fishing smile

@ Hidah which banks are on your cross hairs

Please the name is @hisah. Made me money so ask better questions


@Anjelica_Ann how are you
Life is short. Live passionately.
streetwise
#446 Posted : Thursday, October 06, 2016 7:29:10 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 6/23/2011
Posts: 1,740
Location: Nairobi
Kuchomeka kabisa
obiero
#447 Posted : Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:10:11 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,211
Location: nairobi
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
hisah wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
sparkly wrote:
hisah wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Guys are very quiet.
kwani wako mourning

I like the silence. The crowd is spooked and it feels hopeless. Perfect ground for bottom fishing smile

@ Hidah which banks are on your cross hairs

Please the name is @hisah. Made me money so ask better questions

I'm currently scoping KCB, EQTY DTB, I&M and CFC. Will likely pick 3 out of the 5 when I decide to make the move. Since banks have been clobbered hard, these will be positions to hold for at least 2 years.

@elderhisah please look at the H1 2015 to H1 2016 for I&M and revert


@ChiefHisah smile

Apologies @chiefhisah

KQ ABP 4.26
hisah
#448 Posted : Friday, October 07, 2016 2:50:52 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 8/4/2010
Posts: 8,977
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
hisah wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
sparkly wrote:
hisah wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Guys are very quiet.
kwani wako mourning

I like the silence. The crowd is spooked and it feels hopeless. Perfect ground for bottom fishing smile

@ Hidah which banks are on your cross hairs

Please the name is @hisah. Made me money so ask better questions

I'm currently scoping KCB, EQTY DTB, I&M and CFC. Will likely pick 3 out of the 5 when I decide to make the move. Since banks have been clobbered hard, these will be positions to hold for at least 2 years.

@elderhisah please look at the H1 2015 to H1 2016 for I&M and revert


@ChiefHisah smile

Apologies @chiefhisah

In this world titles mean nothing. Only oxygen matters smile

@obiero I had already scoped the H1 numbers. Do you have anything in particular that you want to discuss?
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
obiero
#449 Posted : Friday, October 07, 2016 3:30:09 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,211
Location: nairobi
hisah wrote:
obiero wrote:
sparkly wrote:
obiero wrote:
hisah wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
sparkly wrote:
hisah wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Guys are very quiet.
kwani wako mourning

I like the silence. The crowd is spooked and it feels hopeless. Perfect ground for bottom fishing smile

@ Hidah which banks are on your cross hairs

Please the name is @hisah. Made me money so ask better questions

I'm currently scoping KCB, EQTY DTB, I&M and CFC. Will likely pick 3 out of the 5 when I decide to make the move. Since banks have been clobbered hard, these will be positions to hold for at least 2 years.

@elderhisah please look at the H1 2015 to H1 2016 for I&M and revert


@ChiefHisah smile

Apologies @chiefhisah

In this world titles mean nothing. Only oxygen matters smile

@obiero I had already scoped the H1 numbers. Do you have anything in particular that you want to discuss?

I&M are down year on year, quarter on quarter

KQ ABP 4.26
hisah
#450 Posted : Friday, October 07, 2016 4:05:59 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 8/4/2010
Posts: 8,977
@obiero, yes they are. But I'm looking at the CDC moves both in I&M and ARM.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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