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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,213 Location: nairobi
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obiero wrote:wukan wrote:MugundaMan wrote: Of course this is a no-brainer, I was in fact very tempted to go this route because 1. Returns are higher 2. Need for parking and other costly amenities is next to zero 3. Cost of building is cheaper because you can go for the cheapest of the cheap finishings and may not even need to plaster your machine cut walls 4. Economies of scale given low fixed costs compared to returns. 5. Extra income from running businesses at the ground floor
But the reasons why I rejected this route
1. Slummification of entire neighbourhoods (and cities) starts with these buildings. Look at Umoja. Note exactly a great place to raise kids and live a decent life. Some of those apartments are like modern day tombs! Kenyans deserve better. This is why I laud Uhuru's low cost housing agenda. Quality subsidised homes for all. 2. Headaches to the landlord galore. general security issues, Tenant to tenant crime may be rife, eviction problems, blocked drains due to tenants pouring all sorts of plastics and things into the drains, vandalism and constant repairs are no joke. It is as management intensive as it gets and my life is too short to spend all my hours managing all these problems. 3. Cap gains are much lower per annum for these types of structures. What you gain in cash flows you lose big time in cap gains compared to say a guy who buys a 1/4 acre in a leafy area and builds a huge maisonette on it.
Bottom line, I would take decent 2br and 3 br flats, as well as 4+ br maisonettes any day over 1br blocks of flats despite the cash flows. Kenyans, seriously ask yourselves, do we want the whole country to look like this (below). If we are not careful, bila planning, that is the direction we are headed in.
High risk! High return! Investing in the low end housing space is not for everyone! @mugundaman wukan disputed KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,654
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@obiero I disputed the Githurai type bed-sitters those ones downgrade neighborhoods This I like Quote:QWETU - PARKLANDS Located close to Stima Plaza in Parklands, this development will join our Palma portfolio and provide 324 studios plus 7,200 sq.ft of convenience retail located on the Ground Floor. Amenities include lifts, generator, lounges, gym, WiFi, borehole water and CCTV. Opens in Quarter 4 of 2018.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,213 Location: nairobi
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wukan wrote:@obiero I disputed the Githurai type bed-sitters those ones downgrade neighborhoods This I like Quote:QWETU - PARKLANDS Located close to Stima Plaza in Parklands, this development will join our Palma portfolio and provide 324 studios plus 7,200 sq.ft of convenience retail located on the Ground Floor. Amenities include lifts, generator, lounges, gym, WiFi, borehole water and CCTV. Opens in Quarter 4 of 2018. You almost crushed my spirit but Jesus gives strength KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/20/2007 Posts: 252
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Here is the current bedsitter development craze;
There is high demand for the bedsitters due to interest from students, newly employed people and slay queens! ππ
- lease land (50x100) at 30k - 60k per month for a min of 17 years - put up approx 40 units of bedsitters at approx 200k - 300k each (total cost 8m - 12m) - rent out the units at 8k - 12k (total monthly income - 320k - 480k) - recoup your costs in 3 - 4 yrs and enjoy your rent for 14 yrs
* very important LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION ( current hot locations; Waiyaki Way, kawangware, Dagoreti, kiambu etc) * due to competition include WiFi, DSTV, small gym and secure parking (mostly for sponsors ππ)
Pros - you access a plot in a location that could be out of reach or unavailable for out right purchase - you donβt tie your capital in purchase of land - you get first priority to purchase the land if the owners want to sell the plot - very simple and quick to put up (mostly without approvals)
Cons - after the lease period expires you have to walk away and leave the development as it is
I know of guys/groups with numerous such set ups and raking in crazy amounts as rent every month
Happy investing
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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mungaits wrote:Here is the current bedsitter development craze;
There is high demand for the bedsitters due to interest from students, newly employed people and slay queens! ππ
- lease land (50x100) at 30k - 60k per month for a min of 17 years - put up approx 40 units of bedsitters at approx 200k - 300k each (total cost 8m - 12m) - rent out the units at 8k - 12k (total monthly income - 320k - 480k) - recoup your costs in 3 - 4 yrs and enjoy your rent for 14 yrs
* very important LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION ( current hot locations; Waiyaki Way, kawangware, Dagoreti, kiambu etc) * due to competition include WiFi, DSTV, small gym and secure parking (mostly for sponsors ππ)
Pros - you access a plot in a location that could be out of reach or unavailable for out right purchase - you donβt tie your capital in purchase of land - you get first priority to purchase the land if the owners want to sell the plot - very simple and quick to put up (mostly without approvals)
Cons - after the lease period expires you have to walk away and leave the development as it is
I know of guys/groups with numerous such set ups and raking in crazy amounts as rent every month
Happy investing
21% return PA? possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/16/2007 Posts: 2,114
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mungaits wrote:Here is the current bedsitter development craze;
There is high demand for the bedsitters due to interest from students, newly employed people and slay queens! ππ
- lease land (50x100) at 30k - 60k per month for a min of 17 years - put up approx 40 units of bedsitters at approx 200k - 300k each (total cost 8m - 12m) - rent out the units at 8k - 12k (total monthly income - 320k - 480k) - recoup your costs in 3 - 4 yrs and enjoy your rent for 14 yrs
* very important LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION ( current hot locations; Waiyaki Way, kawangware, Dagoreti, kiambu etc) * due to competition include WiFi, DSTV, small gym and secure parking (mostly for sponsors ππ)
Pros - you access a plot in a location that could be out of reach or unavailable for out right purchase - you donβt tie your capital in purchase of land - you get first priority to purchase the land if the owners want to sell the plot - very simple and quick to put up (mostly without approvals)
Cons - after the lease period expires you have to walk away and leave the development as it is
I know of guys/groups with numerous such set ups and raking in crazy amounts as rent every month
Happy investing
1.I wonder how the lease agreement looks like? 2.Does that construction cost include wiring(who applies for the power) and plumbing? 3.What if there are water issues at the location(borehole)?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,213 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:mungaits wrote:Here is the current bedsitter development craze;
There is high demand for the bedsitters due to interest from students, newly employed people and slay queens! ππ
- lease land (50x100) at 30k - 60k per month for a min of 17 years - put up approx 40 units of bedsitters at approx 200k - 300k each (total cost 8m - 12m) - rent out the units at 8k - 12k (total monthly income - 320k - 480k) - recoup your costs in 3 - 4 yrs and enjoy your rent for 14 yrs
* very important LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION ( current hot locations; Waiyaki Way, kawangware, Dagoreti, kiambu etc) * due to competition include WiFi, DSTV, small gym and secure parking (mostly for sponsors ππ)
Pros - you access a plot in a location that could be out of reach or unavailable for out right purchase - you donβt tie your capital in purchase of land - you get first priority to purchase the land if the owners want to sell the plot - very simple and quick to put up (mostly without approvals)
Cons - after the lease period expires you have to walk away and leave the development as it is
I know of guys/groups with numerous such set ups and raking in crazy amounts as rent every month
Happy investing
21% return PA? It must be mabati based for such a return. On a stone building with self contained amenities, expect maximum return of 3-8% p.a KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/15/2010 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi
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Chaka wrote:mungaits wrote:Here is the current bedsitter development craze;
There is high demand for the bedsitters due to interest from students, newly employed people and slay queens! ππ
- lease land (50x100) at 30k - 60k per month for a min of 17 years - put up approx 40 units of bedsitters at approx 200k - 300k each (total cost 8m - 12m) - rent out the units at 8k - 12k (total monthly income - 320k - 480k) - recoup your costs in 3 - 4 yrs and enjoy your rent for 14 yrs
* very important LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION ( current hot locations; Waiyaki Way, kawangware, Dagoreti, kiambu etc) * due to competition include WiFi, DSTV, small gym and secure parking (mostly for sponsors ππ)
Pros - you access a plot in a location that could be out of reach or unavailable for out right purchase - you donβt tie your capital in purchase of land - you get first priority to purchase the land if the owners want to sell the plot - very simple and quick to put up (mostly without approvals)
Cons - after the lease period expires you have to walk away and leave the development as it is
I know of guys/groups with numerous such set ups and raking in crazy amounts as rent every month
Happy investing
1.I wonder how the lease agreement looks like? 2.Does that construction cost include wiring(who applies for the power) and plumbing? 3.What if there are water issues at the location(borehole)? approx 200k - 300k each bedsitter?....kwani ni za Mabati, and if it is Mabati...who will pay 8k-12K ya Mabati?. 40 units on a 50x100 is not possible all on ground floor...unless ni Gorofa...which means you need ground floor slab and roofing on 1st floor which really pushes the cost of construction way-up. ....He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion..
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/3/2011 Posts: 264 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:maka wrote:mungaits wrote:Here is the current bedsitter development craze;
There is high demand for the bedsitters due to interest from students, newly employed people and slay queens! ππ
- lease land (50x100) at 30k - 60k per month for a min of 17 years - put up approx 40 units of bedsitters at approx 200k - 300k each (total cost 8m - 12m) - rent out the units at 8k - 12k (total monthly income - 320k - 480k) - recoup your costs in 3 - 4 yrs and enjoy your rent for 14 yrs
* very important LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION ( current hot locations; Waiyaki Way, kawangware, Dagoreti, kiambu etc) * due to competition include WiFi, DSTV, small gym and secure parking (mostly for sponsors ππ)
Pros - you access a plot in a location that could be out of reach or unavailable for out right purchase - you donβt tie your capital in purchase of land - you get first priority to purchase the land if the owners want to sell the plot - very simple and quick to put up (mostly without approvals)
Cons - after the lease period expires you have to walk away and leave the development as it is
I know of guys/groups with numerous such set ups and raking in crazy amounts as rent every month
Happy investing
21% return PA? It must be mabati based for such a return. On a stone building with self contained amenities, expect maximum return of 3-8% p.a This I attest to. 8%, na hiyo ni kujaribu sana.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,213 Location: nairobi
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Muthawamunene wrote:obiero wrote:maka wrote:mungaits wrote:Here is the current bedsitter development craze;
There is high demand for the bedsitters due to interest from students, newly employed people and slay queens! ππ
- lease land (50x100) at 30k - 60k per month for a min of 17 years - put up approx 40 units of bedsitters at approx 200k - 300k each (total cost 8m - 12m) - rent out the units at 8k - 12k (total monthly income - 320k - 480k) - recoup your costs in 3 - 4 yrs and enjoy your rent for 14 yrs
* very important LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION ( current hot locations; Waiyaki Way, kawangware, Dagoreti, kiambu etc) * due to competition include WiFi, DSTV, small gym and secure parking (mostly for sponsors ππ)
Pros - you access a plot in a location that could be out of reach or unavailable for out right purchase - you donβt tie your capital in purchase of land - you get first priority to purchase the land if the owners want to sell the plot - very simple and quick to put up (mostly without approvals)
Cons - after the lease period expires you have to walk away and leave the development as it is
I know of guys/groups with numerous such set ups and raking in crazy amounts as rent every month
Happy investing
21% return PA? It must be mabati based for such a return. On a stone building with self contained amenities, expect maximum return of 3-8% p.a This I attest to. 8%, na hiyo ni kujaribu sana. Kabisa. More commotion due to intense administration of a large number of restless youth but it's possible. You charge per student not per unit of housing.. One unit at KES 12,000 per student per semester. Maximum four students per bedsitter unit KQ ABP 4.26
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