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Ksh at its weakest since it floated in 1994
Scubidu
#581 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2012 8:34:21 AM
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Mainat wrote:
Scubidu- lets think about that. Yes FCD (foreign currency deposits) have increased (remittances?), but if they were the driver of the $/Ksh, don't you think Ksh would much stronger than last yr or even beginning of the yr?


Let's put things in context. We all know how money supply is grown (credit growth). So looking at the Deposit corporation survey the change in money supply is 132 b from June 2011 to October 2011. At the exact same time the change in FCD (a component of money supply) was 78 b representing 58% of the increase. During this period there was a massive depreciation in currency. so FCD must have some bearing on $/Ksh and result in a weaker currency. It's likely due to increase remittances, but you'd have to then assume most remittances coming in aren't converted into ksh (thus kept in deposit), which is not likely (why wud they do this-unless they're speculating or have little faith in kes).
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
Mainat
#582 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2012 10:34:23 AM
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Scubidu-I think we are agreed that fx-money supply link is tenuous at best
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Scubidu
#583 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:20:02 PM
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Mainat wrote:
Scubidu-I think we are agreed that fx-money supply link is tenuous at best


We're not agreed at all mate, but let's agree to disagree. Let move on to a different subject.

I wonder if the CB is in fx today... the intervention is pointless. Seems they want to be seen to be doing something. They also need to remove those fx restrictions and start negotiating with foreigners to increase capital inflows.
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
kizee1
#584 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2012 3:49:08 PM
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Mainat wrote:
Scubidu-I think we are agreed that fx-money supply link is tenuous at best



lol! u must be kidding me! are you seeing there is no link between a ccys money supply and its relative strength to other ccys?
Mainat
#585 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2012 3:59:44 PM
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Kizee- as bidu says, its getting tedious/boring. Let it go
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hisah
#586 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:18:36 PM
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When will the CBK grows such balls of steel - click here to let the KES fx control guard down... Tired...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Mainat
#587 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2012 10:59:30 PM
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If M3 really is/was the issue, CBK should have jacked the reserve ratio. Unconventional? Innovative? Neither. Its how the Chinese brethren deal with money supply overhangs...
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kizee1
#588 Posted : Saturday, January 14, 2012 12:42:01 AM
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Mainat wrote:
If M3 really is/was the issue, CBK should have jacked the reserve ratio. Unconventional? Innovative? Neither. Its how the Chinese brethren deal with money supply overhangs...



m3 for nov was lower than oct..i cant remember the last time we saw a m/m monetary contraction
Scubidu
#589 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:44:14 PM
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kizee1 wrote:
Mainat wrote:
If M3 really is/was the issue, CBK should have jacked the reserve ratio. Unconventional? Innovative? Neither. Its how the Chinese brethren deal with money supply overhangs...



m3 for nov was lower than oct..i cant remember the last time we saw a m/m monetary contraction


@mainat. Didn't CBK did that. CBR hikes are short terms measures and CRR is longer term. Don't take my word for it, just look at the aggressive bank balance sheet expansion in 2011 is a really important factor. The wazua analysts can calculate the level of leverage (assets:equity) for the big banks that creates pressure on capital ratios. What were the fast growing credit lines for most banks in Q3?

Liquidity had a part to play in the BOP change and how the imports were financed created the money supply/fx link. As soon as M3 contracted, so did private sector credit and foreign currency deposits (those aren't remittances)-that can't be coincidence (cos the $/Ksh followed).

@kizee. happened back during April-May 2008 when we had the short-lived safaricom credit bubble and around March-April 2009 when equity markets tanked. So to speed up GDP growth in May 2009, money supply (liquidity/leverage) had to be aggressively expanded-resulting in the CB creating the arbitrage through the reverse repo auctions and shortly after we got an IMF allocation (justifying worsening BOP, but with a 1 year expiry-result in CB purchasing $ in 2010).

The budget read in June 2009 became overly inflated and infrastructure focused. So the cycle of increased leverage and worsening BOP had it's origins back then following a major contraction in money supply. They can only contract for some time this time, so I suspect a few months from now the policy will loosen.
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
the deal
#590 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:14:43 PM
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@mainat @guru Engel curve: an increase in M3 results in increased commodity consumption, now what happens if there are supply shocks such as drought which results in inadequate food supply? INFLANTION because demand>supply...the importing which results as a result of those supply shocks =deterioration of BoP+ccy speculation=weak Shilling=more INFLATIN..u see the chain of events
mwekez@ji
#591 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2012 2:14:20 AM
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drake wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
hisah wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Scubidu wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
That $600M is expected this moon.


Any idea which foriegn banks are involved in this?

Goldman, JP Morgan, Deustche, Barclays PLC

Goldman squid & JP Morgue give me the creeps. I hope that loan deal fails. Better IMF if we have to choose the devils...

Biacara ni biacara smile


Let me murk these rumors....

1. Loan has NOT yet been finalized, but probably (unless Treasury play hardball) will be by COB today

2. Goldman, Jp Morgan, Barclays, Deutsche?.... Not even close bro... but once the info gets out, there is one player that may surprise...

3. Pricing: Not that bad for a country with a 'B' and BB-(T&C) rating..




Kenya poised to mandate trio for $600 mln loan

http://af.reuters.com/article/i...ws/idAFJOE80G09120120117
Cde Monomotapa
#592 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2012 5:04:23 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
drake wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
hisah wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Scubidu wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
That $600M is expected this moon.


Any idea which foriegn banks are involved in this?

Goldman, JP Morgan, Deustche, Barclays PLC

Goldman squid & JP Morgue give me the creeps. I hope that loan deal fails. Better IMF if we have to choose the devils...

Biacara ni biacara smile


Let me murk these rumors....

1. Loan has NOT yet been finalized, but probably (unless Treasury play hardball) will be by COB today

2. Goldman, Jp Morgan, Barclays, Deutsche?.... Not even close bro... but once the info gets out, there is one player that may surprise...

3. Pricing: Not that bad for a country with a 'B' and BB-(T&C) rating..




Kenya poised to mandate trio for $600 mln loan

http://af.reuters.com/article/i...ws/idAFJOE80G09120120117

My apologies. I relied a 100% on BD's article of last yr which had a dozen 1/2 truths atleast smile
hisah
#593 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2012 2:46:18 PM
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Kenyan Shilling May Fall to 92 Per Dollar, Renaissance Says.

http://www.bloomberg.com...enaissance-says-1-.html

Well, if the FX controls are removed, 92 is a very fair figure!
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#594 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2012 2:52:38 PM
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Accusations continue...

http://www.nation.co.ke/...48/-/heh6ij/-/index.html
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Scubidu
#595 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 8:11:07 AM
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Kenya current account deficit ended 2011 at $4.48 billion from $2.51 billion a year earlier. Overall BOP is still negative at -$51 million versus $163 million 12 months ago. Whenever a trade deficit widens foreign debt must be accumulated to maintain the balance.
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
hisah
#596 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 8:33:35 AM
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Scubidu wrote:
Kenya current account deficit ended 2011 at $4.48 billion from $2.51 billion a year earlier. Overall BOP is still negative at -$51 million versus $163 million 12 months ago. Whenever a trade deficit widens foreign debt must be accumulated to maintain the balance.

78% up!? $600M will not be enough to see gok avoid borrowing from the domestic market. CBK will also be forced to hold on to those forex controls esp if they announce lowering of CBR.

Balancing the 2012 budget will be a headache affair - KDF, elections funds etc.

I'll keep an eye on that inverted yield curve to judge the distress...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Scubidu
#597 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:11:43 AM
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hisah wrote:
Scubidu wrote:
Kenya current account deficit ended 2011 at $4.48 billion from $2.51 billion a year earlier. Overall BOP is still negative at -$51 million versus $163 million 12 months ago. Whenever a trade deficit widens foreign debt must be accumulated to maintain the balance.

78% up!? $600M will not be enough to see gok avoid borrowing from the domestic market. CBK will also be forced to hold on to those forex controls esp if they announce lowering of CBR.

Balancing the 2012 budget will be a headache affair - KDF, elections funds etc.

I'll keep an eye on that inverted yield curve to judge the distress...


@hisah. Balanced budget... not likely. Treasury has to pay 133 billion in local ccys debt in addition to 77 billion in new borrowing. That's a total of 210 billion. Just how will they do this? Means that something will have to give... expenditure or higher taxes.

Let's go through the BOP equation (y/y growth):

CURRENT ACCOUNT (+79%)
MERCHANDISE ACCOUNT (+26%)
Exports (+10%)
Imports (+19%)
SERVICES (-2%)

CAPITAL ACCOUNT (+66%)
SHORT TERM FLOW & ERRORS (+105%)
Short term flows (+49%)
Errors (+180%)

FINANCING (-131%)
Increase in Kenya reserves (+16%)
IMF (+242%)

OVERALL BALANCE (-131%)

Imports grew at twice the rate of exports and this is not good when considering that imports are 2.5x higher than exports in value. The capital account is keeping us afloat but only because of errors (CB can't account for). IMF has been our saving grace in financing our import bill cos as you can see the cost of consumption and intensive investment is a paltry 16% rise in savings.

“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
hisah
#598 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:56:26 AM
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Scubidu wrote:
hisah wrote:
Scubidu wrote:
Kenya current account deficit ended 2011 at $4.48 billion from $2.51 billion a year earlier. Overall BOP is still negative at -$51 million versus $163 million 12 months ago. Whenever a trade deficit widens foreign debt must be accumulated to maintain the balance.

78% up!? $600M will not be enough to see gok avoid borrowing from the domestic market. CBK will also be forced to hold on to those forex controls esp if they announce lowering of CBR.

Balancing the 2012 budget will be a headache affair - KDF, elections funds etc.

I'll keep an eye on that inverted yield curve to judge the distress...


@hisah. Balanced budget... not likely. Treasury has to pay 133 billion in local ccys debt in addition to 77 billion in new borrowing. That's a total of 210 billion. Just how will they do this? Means that something will have to give... expenditure or higher taxes.

Let's go through the BOP equation (y/y growth):

CURRENT ACCOUNT (+79%)
MERCHANDISE ACCOUNT (+26%)
Exports (+10%)
Imports (+19%)
SERVICES (-2%)

CAPITAL ACCOUNT (+66%)
SHORT TERM FLOW & ERRORS (+105%)
Short term flows (+49%)
Errors (+180%)

FINANCING (-131%)
Increase in Kenya reserves (+16%)
IMF (+242%)

OVERALL BALANCE (-131%)

Imports grew at twice the rate of exports and this is not good when considering that imports are 2.5x higher than exports in value. The capital account is keeping us afloat but only because of errors (CB can't account for). IMF has been our saving grace in financing our import bill cos as you can see the cost of consumption and intensive investment is a paltry 16% rise in savings.


You've just managed to mess my afternoon with this breakdown... Sick
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
the deal
#599 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 1:45:07 PM
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Time for CBK to Cut Rates


Kenya's monetary policy committee (MPC) meets on Wednesday to assess the impact of last months meeting on the economy ,a meeting in which the MPC left the Central Bank Rate (CBR) unchanged at 18%, the move was solely aimed at adding more impetus to the Shilling's recovery. The currency for East Africa's largest economy's rapid depreciation in 2011 was blamed for Kenya's runaway inflation which clocked 19.7% in November 2011. The Shilling has gained more than 19% since making a string of all time low's last year against the green back, last time I checked it was trading at 84.7 against the US Dollar (USD) but the economy has been a victim of MPC's contraction monetary policy.

Read more on this link http://contrarianinvesti...ime-for-cbk-to-cut-rates
Mainat
#600 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:49:31 PM
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Mainat wrote:
I see two scenarios on Ksh for the rest of the year. The key I think is whether GoK is able to raise the $600m it was looking for.
If its able to, come Feb or March, CBK will start reducing CBR to avoid risk of an actual recession and generally relaxing the exchange controls/interventions. With oil spiking upwards, I'd expect Ksh to go towards an equilibrium of Ksh90-95. Assuming no further daily sales from CBK of $.

If GoK only raises a portion of the $600m, CBK will still have to ease int rates. However, there will now appear a gap between CBR and t-bill coupon. Ksh will then float juu ya Ksh100 with or without CBK support.


Kulahepi- i think Q3 vs Q4 will be more relevant. Also, are these new loans or revolving credits?



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