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Strathmore dress code ..ABK !!!
McReggae
#41 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 6:30:07 PM
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Why control the dress codd in the compund when 20 metres from the gate nairibians remain nairobians ABK!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Jaina
#42 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 6:47:40 PM
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As a Catholic Owned School, the owners are fully justfied in putting in place the dress code. Although there has been alot of controversy regarding the church in the recent past, there is more GOOD than BAD things that comes out of these handline/Conservative positions.
Sarrouniya
#43 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 7:26:35 PM
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@Wendz,Eddy,etc....alumnae,alumina, aluminium, aiiiii.. (ama u went for Accounts classes sio kizungu).

A.L.U.M.N.U.S

Na mimi pia ni mmoja wao n I didnt mind it at all. The BM guard kwa mlango in brown...those days....nostalgic!

Shout out to Nathan!!! Alikufa nini? Where is this dood?
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the sage
#44 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 7:29:55 PM
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I'm also a alumni and I now work at a place where there is no dress code, the real purpose of the dress code is to instill elements of fascism and control, after all it is run by Upus guys but it was a really good place.
Wendz
#45 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 7:48:11 PM
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YesuWangu wrote:
alma wrote:
A woman in a miniskirt is not a prostitute. A man in a short sleeved shirt is not a thief.

Dressing codes are part of life and in some professions a necessity. eg gloves for a doctor, a helmet for a mine worker etc

however, the idea that a school can impose a certain mode of dressing on its students is plain shaddy. For a mature person going for their masters, it is ok as its their choice.

But what happens to the young guy who's parents will only pay fees at strath? Do you condemn this kid to wear clothes that they have no wish to wear. Or to attend mass even though he's got no interest in church?

It reminds me of my college days where the worst drinkers, partyist, philanderers happened to come from schools and families where "moral" standards were enforced to the core. So now you want to extend that through 4 years of college?

These are religious principals that have no business in a college.

What will happen when I open my muslim college where all students must wear hijabs since it "prepares them for the outside world"? You will all probably scream about sharia law.

The dressing code is not a business principle. It is an Opus Dei principle. It is wrong.

If it had any business ideals to stand by then ALL the BEST business schools would adopt it. Wharton doesn't have it, MIT doesn't have it, Cambridge doesn't have it. My alma mater Boston College definately never had it. So what is this business ideal it is meant to impart on the students.

Having said that. The constitution allows Strath and other such schools to demand of it from their students. They have every right to pursue it. If you don't like it don't go there.

However, if you think that how you dress will make you successful, then you have not gone to Marikiti recently. Or have never talked to a bank clerk.




no one is paying attention here. valid points are being raised here. or is it because it is an inconvenient truth?

i find it important to echo the concern, hoping to get attention. what if, like alma says, a muslim oriented university opens here in kenya and they require burkas, hijabs, turbans, beards and all the nine yards of islamic clothing within its premises? what will people say in wazua?

or will we wait until that happens before we think about this? we open the door for one, we will be hard pressed to shut it for the next.


Lets not have flawed argument regarding the dress code and the church sponsored schools/colleges. What would be the use of a church sponsoring a college/school/hospital and etc if it is not to advance its faith? From colonial times, this was the intention..... Even mhindi schools are like that... if you feel you can not stand one faith, then just dont go to a school they sponsor..... I was in another christian sponsored school and we had muslims there, we went for their services, it was protestant, we were there for different agendas.... i needed the certs, my muslim friend needed the certs, the church needed to advance its faith... it worked together for all of us... whether we got converted that is another story....
alma
#46 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 8:31:50 PM
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There is only good to be found in dressing decently and for the occasion.

As the owners of the said property, the administration has every right to ask that some rules be followed. However, they having that right, doesn't make them logical or correct.

However, let us not play games with the truth. There is no scientific or business research that shows that dressing in a short sleeved shirt makes a bad manager. How you dressed in school has absolutely no bearing to your performance at work. Otherwise, all UON students are doomed.

There are places that require a particular dress code. I don't expect to see a wedding dress in a funeral.

However, college is definitely not one of the places where formal (according to some) dressing should be demanded.

College is a place where you are supposed to learn how to make choices and live by your choices. It is where you learn how to try and make wrong choices and correct them. It is never where the lecturer tells the student "the truth".

By denying young boys and girls the opportunity to dress flimsily and get punished by society, we are creating a bunch of robot managers who can't think outside the company manual.

And you wonder why mama mboga and a charcoal burner has a higher chance of success in business than an MBA student.
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tuvok
#47 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 8:34:20 PM
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I'm one for freedom of expression, (within limits - those that protect the freedoms of others). Strathmore have their reasons for imposing a dress code and are within their rights to do so - it is a private institution. Whether the dress code really changes a person inside is something else.
Talking of dress code: there's the legal guys who need to wear suits. I suppose the judge wouldn't take me seriously if I showed up in court wearing faded jeans and a top to defend my client..

jguru
#48 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 11:01:21 PM
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Do the Professors and the other employees at Strathmore also have dress codes? Or is it only the students?

Let us all assume the Catholic church (and the Opus Dei) bought out a company, such as Safaricom. Would it be alright to extend the dress code to the employees and their customers?

If I paid Strathmore to privately facilitate a seminar in business and management for a team of IT guys, would Strathmore require that they dress formally or else?
Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
kyt
#49 Posted : Saturday, September 18, 2010 7:37:08 PM
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valid points, valid arguments. Lets leave strath as is where is. I advocate for jeans to employees in the banking sector!
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tony stark
#50 Posted : Sunday, September 19, 2010 4:19:49 AM
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There is a big difference between strath and catholic university in karen and they are both catholic schools. Therefore people arguing that the dress code is because it is a christian school or a catholic school are so wrong. It is also SAD to not that people who attended the university have no idea where the dress code came from. What a shame you earn a degree or diploma and you have no idea about the place you got it shame. I shall educate you all.
The dress code is more to do with the particular wing/sect/ whatever you call it that started the strathmore, the opus dei sect.

St. Josemaria Escriva, the founder of Opus Dei, makes this point in a far more eloquent manner

I believe You should dress in accordance with the demands of your social standing, your family background, your work... as your companions do, but to please God: eager to present a genuine and attractive image of true Christian living. Do everything with naturalness, without being extravagant. I can assure you that in this matter it is better to err on the side of excess than to fall short. How do you think Our Lord dressed? Haven't you pictured to yourself the dignity with which he wore his seamless cloak which had probably been woven for him by Our Lady? Don't you remember how, in Simon's house, he was grieved because he had not been offered water to wash his hands before taking his place at the table? No doubt he drew attention to this example of bad manners to underline his teaching that love is shown in little details. But he also wants to make it clear that he stands by the social customs of his time, and therefore you and I must make an effort to be detached from the goods and comforts of the world, but without doing anything that looks odd or peculiar.
I don't appreciate the strictness but those are their rules you either live with it or move on simple. I hope this argument can be laid to rest now.
YesuWangu
#51 Posted : Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:10:13 AM
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With your own words i will shut you ur.
Wendz wrote:


Lets not have flawed argument regarding the dress code and the church sponsored schools/colleges. What would be the use of a church sponsoring a college/school/hospital and etc if it is not to advance its faith?
um the reason will be putting the cart before the horse. Colleges and schools are for advancing knowledge. Hospitals are for curing the sick. Church and sermons and the bible are where faith is advanced. Knowledge and faith are not exactly compatible.
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From colonial times, this was the intention.....
yes, absolutely! to subjugate the heathen residents of the dark uncivilised continent.
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Even mhindi schools are like that... if you feel you can not stand one faith, then just dont go to a school they sponsor.....
not exactly a good way to advance faith is it? Moreso christianity. Since when should christians practise politics of exclusion?
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I was in another christian sponsored school and we had muslims there, we went for their services, it was protestant, we were there for different agendas.... i needed the certs, my muslim friend needed the certs, the church needed to advance its faith... it worked together for all of us... whether we got converted that is another story....
isnt that what we are saying? Go and get your academic certificate and leave. You dont have to be burdened with religious dogmas!
vinii
#52 Posted : Sunday, September 19, 2010 10:40:53 AM
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...problem could be with Opus Dei who live in an imaginery perfect world..
If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
guru267
#53 Posted : Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:22:10 PM
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tony stark wrote:
There is a big difference between strath and catholic university in karen and they are both catholic schools. Therefore people arguing that the dress code is because it is a christian school or a catholic school are so wrong. It is also SAD to not that people who attended the university have no idea where the dress code came from. What a shame you earn a degree or diploma and you have no idea about the place you got it shame. I shall educate you all.
The dress code is more to do with the particular wing/sect/ whatever you call it that started the strathmore, the opus dei sect.

St. Josemaria Escriva, the founder of Opus Dei, makes this point in a far more eloquent manner

I believe You should dress in accordance with the demands of your social standing, your family background, your work... as your companions do, but to please God: eager to present a genuine and attractive image of true Christian living. Do everything with naturalness, without being extravagant. I can assure you that in this matter it is better to err on the side of excess than to fall short. How do you think Our Lord dressed? Haven't you pictured to yourself the dignity with which he wore his seamless cloak which had probably been woven for him by Our Lady? Don't you remember how, in Simon's house, he was grieved because he had not been offered water to wash his hands before taking his place at the table? No doubt he drew attention to this example of bad manners to underline his teaching that love is shown in little details. But he also wants to make it clear that he stands by the social customs of his time, and therefore you and I must make an effort to be detached from the goods and comforts of the world, but without doing anything that looks odd or peculiar.
I don't appreciate the strictness but those are their rules you either live with it or move on simple. I hope this argument can be laid to rest now.

@tony stark its a pity that you have NO IDEA what you are talking about...

You choose to blame the dress code on opus dei but in truth it has nothing to do with them....

Strathmore was founded in the 60's but there was no dress code until the late 90's and this code was upon the request of the students....

And YES the lecturers and all the staff adhere to the same code
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
muganda
#54 Posted : Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:07:22 PM
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Interesting reading, many opinions and many facts. We should encourage airing of our Opinions (always noting our personal bias) and Facts (realizing we choose selectively what suits our arguments).

But what of RESPECT: our upbringing demands more of us. Here we are talking about a Kenyan institution respected internationally, by alumnae, changed the lives of many. And the issue is nothing to do with malpractice or dishonor, and we still can't live and let live?

We individually demand more respect be accorded us by our family, friends, workmates... I bemoan the collective loss of our character..

tony stark
#55 Posted : Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:10:35 PM
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guru267 wrote:

@tony stark its a pity that you have NO IDEA what you are talking about...

You choose to blame the dress code on opus dei but in truth it has nothing to do with them....

Strathmore was founded in the 60's but there was no dress code until the late 90's and this code was upon the request of the students....

And YES the lecturers and all the staff adhere to the same code

Im sorry so the quote from st josemaria has nothing to do with the dress code okay and we should believe that the code was made up in an imaginary meeting done in the LATE 90's.
Guru I did not "blame" opus dei.
The university was set up, run and uses alot of the opus dei doctrine ...... FACT
The opus dei have a centre right next to the university ....... FACT
The dress code is rooted in opus dei doctrine of performing daily acts for God and that includes dressing and hence the quote from st josemaria if you know who that is....... FACT
Your argument is I should disregard all the facts above and imagine a fictitious meeting that happened sometimes in the late 90's. I am sure for a fact that dressing is and has always been an issue for all opus dei run facilities if you know any other you shall know that this to is a .......... FACT!!!!!.
If your fictitious meeting ever occured and that is a big IF it was probably to write down the code as has always been practised.
To rest my case it is in fact you who has no idea of what you are saying. Next time before you accuse someone of not knowing what they are saying have some knowledge of what you are saying na uwache upumbavu!
Seeders
#56 Posted : Monday, September 20, 2010 7:28:57 AM
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definition - Kenyan [ˈkɛnjən ˈ, kiːnjən, Ken′•yan] n

-a native or inhabitant of Kenya

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give the devil his dues - a good chunk of kenyans in the country and the diaspora have strath to thank for facilitating their degree, acca, cpa, cfa, cisa na kadhalika.

joke is - strath is doing something about bettering kenya's brainpower while 'experts' with international (a.k.a. google search engine) experience sit on their behinds dishing out textbook advice.

beware of kenyan 'experts' -
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