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Poll Question : MY NEW POSITION ON KENYA'S PROPOSED CONSTITUTION
Choice Votes Statistics
Yes.......(click) 56 60 %
No.........(click) 34 36 %
None of the Above...(click) 3 3 %
Total 93 100%

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Proposed constitution: new opinion poll...
willin2learn
#41 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:02:47 AM
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@Seeders
Applause Applause Applause Applause
Seeders
#42 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:11:07 AM
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the problem with the debate is the difficulty in telling who is lying more or spreading more fear, the yes or the no team?

Fundaah wrote:
We lose the opportunity ..we continue whining for the next 20Years ...if we will be alive...

Fundaah
#43 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:15:16 AM
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Seeders

You may wish to escape that ....but its the reality ....reject the draft ....we continue with the current bad constitution .....otherwise show me the option.... and dont tell me that the we shall go back to parliament and MPS agree ammendments then by December we have another referendum ...that is a blatant lie ....an insult to Kenyans intelligence.....since ..

1 No budgetary allocation for such exercise

2.MPs won't agree....they tried it and failed.

Just in case you have forgotten:

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/c09qsxz/-/index.html


3.The term of the Interim independent electoral commission ends in December 2010..who will conduct the referendum?
http://www.iiec.or.ke/iiec-agenda


Its just a matter of take it ...(the draft constitution) NOW or forget about it in your lifetime....and continue whining....of bad leadership



Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
Seeders
#44 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:22:40 AM
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you are a more devout christian than i may ever be in my lifetime. are you still sure you want to stand by your statement?

Fundaah wrote:
Seeders

Its just a matter of take it ...(the draft constitution) NOW or forget about it in your lifetime....and continue whining....of bad leadership

Fundaah
#45 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:39:20 AM
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Seeders ....a firm Yes....and remember here Im talking of governance...resources have concentrated in some pockets of the country...the Draft seeks to distribute the resources evenly .throughout the country by allocating 15% of the government revenue to the grassroots..we have a God given chance to correct bad governance Now...
But God gives choices ....to human beings ....sometimes human beings choose the road to destruction ..... this happened since the beggining ...when Adam chose to disobey God...
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
rasilio
#46 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:51:50 AM
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Yes you move on
No ukae vile vile

It is that simple. If you think you are doing very well where you are, you vote No. If you know things are elephant, you vote yes..

Notice that in life, it is hard to start a journey, but you must start it.
Seeders
#47 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:57:28 AM
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fundaah - i have no problem in how you vote because quite frankly, that is up to every adult to decide. the problem is the unfounded statements or fear mongering being bandied around. an honest question - would i be correct to assume that you are over 24 years?
Fundaah
#48 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:06:43 AM
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Seeders wrote:
would i be correct to assume that you are over 24 years?


Yes and I have been around for quite sometime to tell what a bad constitution can do....create hopelessness...helplessness and all those negative things ...I also know its not easy to reach the peoint we have reached trying to get a new constitution ......a whole generation has been lost through bad governce and hopelessness....knowing that you will finish your education and depend on luck to get an opportunity to exploit your talent....through concentration of resources in few areas of the country .....nepotism ...tribalism and political sycophancy... since the fight for new constitution started ...for your information ...
Im I causing fear when I say that we started fighting for new constitution in the 1980s ....and now its 2010?

were you around during Matiba ....Shikuku .... rubia ...masinde...

Why do you think the surviving guys of the infamous torture chambers ...(except Koigi of the State house night Ugali eating fame).....are endorsing the Draft ....they gave their lifes fighting bad governance....


next question?
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
Seeders
#49 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:16:29 AM
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so would i be correct to say that the last referendum took place in your lifetime?
groupielove
#50 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:26:13 AM
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Even if I was the last man standing, I'd vote NO. I also voted NO in the last refurendum because of my personal convictions. I am sure the rejection of the draft will give Kenya a better opportunity to decide the kind of Constitution they want rather than being forced down our throughts. Bomb us, call us names, and if you like, dismiss us. but the No will carry the day
simonkabz
#51 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:29:07 AM
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@funda, save ua breath for now. Its a total waste of time trying to convince a diasporan, a gud number dnt give a damn. They wait 4the country to burn then blame everything n anything.....a careless skewed view of their motherland.....we the resident citizens have taken enuff shit fm the current constitution, enuff is enuff!
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Fundaah
#52 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:39:35 AM
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Seeders wrote:
so would i be correct to say that the last referendum took place in your lifetime?

the 4 aug ref came soon because of the PEV....are you ready for another PEV?....
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
Seeders
#53 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:43:10 AM
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i will get to that in a minute. so did the last referendum take place in your lifetime? yes or no?

Fundaah wrote:
Seeders wrote:
so would i be correct to say that the last referendum took place in your lifetime?

the 4 aug ref came soon because of the PEV....are you ready for another PEV?....

Fundaah
#54 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:51:03 AM
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Seeders ...No.Not lifetime....are you happy now? ....

Now ...Answer me my question ...Do you want us to pass through what we passed in 2007/2008 so that we can get to another referendum in our lifetime?
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
Seeders
#55 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:04:38 PM
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easy now. it is not about being happy pretty lady. it is about answering a straightforward question. we will get to the pev in a second.

so are you saying the last referendum did not take place in your lifetime?

Fundaah wrote:
Seeders ...No.Not lifetime....are you happy now? ....

Now ...Answer me my question ...Do you want us to pass through what we passed in 2007/2008 so that we can get to another referendum in our lifetime?

Brewer
#56 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:23:03 PM
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Fundaah wrote:
...(except Koigi of the State house night Ugali eating fame)......


next question?


Why do you lie so easily?
Fundaah
#57 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:27:43 PM
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brewer.. whoelse was detained and in the 'No' side...except Koigi and Kihoro... name them for my and other wazuans information?
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
Seeders
#58 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:38:41 PM
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if you must make an argument for or against the draft, make sure it is based on truth. amen brothers and sisters?
Brewer
#59 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:40:45 PM
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@Fundaah, my question stemmed from your allegations against Koigi. State house ugali eating fame? Surely!

Jisomee,Jiamulie na Jichagulie has never been so apt!
Fundaah
#60 Posted : Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:50:45 PM
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Brewer...I heard these words from Koigi himself sometime back on TV...hesaid there is nothing wrong eating ugali at statehouse.....so where is the lie?

Jisomee,Jiamulie na Jichagulie..you have your fate in your voters card .....I'm out of this discussion ...
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
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