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Scholarships for poor children -
Ric dees
#21 Posted : Thursday, May 20, 2010 2:12:00 PM
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@Mukiha ..There you go again, redirection!!

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first body
#22 Posted : Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:10:02 PM
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Very interesting.
@ Muhika you have a unique view on life. I agree with you poverty on it own should be the last consideration in a scholarship at university level but for primary and secondary education it should be the primary reason. I also think that for an individual from a poor family to achieve good results probably went through alot more but that should appear on the scholarship application as he articulates his life experience and why he deserves it.

@Ric dees if you play an instrument or 2, speak 3 or 4 foreign languages I you deserved the scholarship and i envy your brain. To add a spanner in your argument from my experiece coming from a poor family and getting a scholarship to study in the UK.I found the rich kids in my class including the africans were more altruistic in their outlook on life. My view though in line with theirs in words was never taken up in action. The rich are not as thick or undeserving as you would want us to believe. Food for thought.

@chepkel there are so many options he can follow instead of sitting and waiting. He can resit his 4 form and if he is as bright as you say he can get a better grade and the government can sponsor his university. He can go to polytechnic and learn a trade which will give him skills that will make him independent. University education speaking again from experience makes the large majority of students myopic to their options and inhibits out of the box thinking .... yes i am in that majority!
Ric dees
#23 Posted : Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:25:50 PM
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@Firstbody Touche...

I have not categorically stated Rich kids are undeserving or thick...far from it Anderson Cooper( CNN) is A Vendewelt one of the richest families in the US and he is brilliant went to an lvy league school, but cases are far and beyond..

Am surprised you marvel at someone who speak 2-3 languages and plays an instrument?? I do not proclaim to but...

@Mukiha & Firstbody
You have a chance to hang out with either two people namely Bill Gates or Steven Hawking. who would you hang out with and why?


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chepkel
#24 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 7:00:56 AM
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Any person deserves a scholarship as long as he qualifies on the merits. But seriously, if my parents can afford my fees or if i can afford to pay my own fees then why the hell would i want to be granted a scholarship. Is that not selfish and ridiculous. A scholarship simply means that one will be sponsored for the course. So if i am rich or i can afford tuition and i qualify for admission then i would rather just get an admission and pay my fees. let another person have that chance.
gathinga
#25 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41:38 AM
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Am glad I finally read this thread, I have been passing it all along. Its most interesting.

I went to High school in Nrb courtesy of a sponsor. My parents probably would have struggled to educate me through high school as I had the best grades amongst my siblings. This would however, have been at the expense of one or more of my siblings since they couldn't afford to educate all of us through high school.

In the school that I attended, and which is quite famous, the criteria for selection was a combination of poverty and strong grades in school. My lessons from this experience are varying;

1. Having been educated through high school(sponsor) and university (HELB), i finally got a career. This enabled me to educate my younger brother through university and put up some income generating projects for my other siblings and folks. They now live a much more decent life above the poverty line. The lesson is educate one poor kind and you move 10+ people above the poverty line.........Educate a dude from a rich family, move 0 people above poverty line. the poor kid also inspires the other kids in the village.

2. Besides poverty eradication, scholarships exist to advance and reward excellence. Dudes who are identified to be of extraordinary intelligence or passion and therefore significant chances of changing the world should indeed get scholarships; rich or poor.

3. The school i went to was a rich harvest ground foe American, Canadian, UK and Australian universities to recruit individuals for scholarships. Academic ability was usually the last on the list of desirable qualities. 1. Athletic ability 2. Religious affiliation 3. Athletic ability. These dudes were therefore chosen to represent their universities in sports events....similar to athletes acquiring Qatari citizenship. lesson: the guys awarding scholarships always have their own objectives at times parallel to those of the student.
chepkel
#26 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 9:56:11 AM
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@Gathiga, i like your post. I really like it. Educate a poor child and you educate many more educate a rich kid and you get 0. 9nevertheless, not in all cases)
Ric dees
#27 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 10:21:18 AM
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@Gathinga

That is exactly my point and in reference to my point that rich kids do not bring much to the table.

@Firstbody

Am not sure whether you did the essay on what benefit your scholarship will bring to the community but like Gathinga said, most rich kids cannot see beyond themselves..

During my graduation JK Rawlings was the guest speaker and her speech was: "The importance of imagination and the advantages of failure" Food for thought guys..

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bkismat
#28 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 11:04:37 AM
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My personal Story.
I completed class 8 when may dad was retiring from the civil service(Read one of the articles on Nation this week on the fate of most pensioners).I excelled in fact I was 4th in my district.Those days it was not the media circus we see currently during the release of results. Was invited to join a National School. The fees was way beyond what my dad could afford, in fact, impossible.The principal was hard hearted and we went back home with my dad.He went to follow his retirement benefits which those days could take up to half an year.I understand these days it takes 33 working days but I digress. Meanwhile I was cooling my heels at home.

Help came on the prize giving day for the best students in the KCPE when my headteacher realized I had not joined high school.She was horrified and organised an impromptu harambee where a neat amount was raised(God bless her soul)Luckily my dad also got his benefits just about that time. We went back to the Principal of the National School but he told us we were time barred and my chance had already been given to some other kid. I settled for a provincial school that accepted to take me in. My dad was lucky to get another job and we managed until 3rd form.All this time I tried unsuccessfully to get a bursary or a scholarship but always failed to do so, why I don't know.

Tragedy struck in after 3rd form that I nearly did not do the exam. I switched to a day school completed form 4 and got good grades and was able to join a very competetive course in university where I was assisted by HELB(Im faithfully repaying back my loan, it will assist somebody else.)I have a good job and is assisting in the education of my siblings.
The point of the whole story is I agree with Chepkel, why do you need a scholarship when you can afford it especially at secondary school level or undergrad. I agree that as from post graduate level it is acceptable whether for the rich or the poor but below that give to the deserving cases.
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
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gathinga
#29 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 3:14:31 PM
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@RIC Dees. I remember the discussion we had at the SK mbuzi at the hutch. You mentioned that with the conservatives winning UK elections, the NHS budget is likely to be cut down substantially and jobs sacrificed, including yours. David cameron is now governing. I hope thats not the case currently. Whats the update?
Ric dees
#30 Posted : Friday, May 21, 2010 4:05:39 PM
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@Gathinga
Now none of us imagined of a coalition and now they are bickering over petty issues, like who gets which house.
Case in point there is a mansion in Kent usually reserved for the Foreign Secretary and Nick Clegg is claiming the right to have his retreats there..so they are working a house sharing agreement with George Osborne ..interesting

Matters Economics, the Euro is in trouble and infact M/s Merkel has banned short trading in Germany, but the UK has says short sellers are welcome here...The two leaders have very different views on Europe Nick Clegg is very pro - Brussels while Cameron is not...lets see how this plays out.

The key issues that divide them are:

Capital Gains Tax - Tories fear their supporters will loose out if they embrace the Lib-dems policy of raising the rate from 18% to a level inline with income tax of 40 - 50%. This will hit second homes and Share sales.

Human Rights Act - Conservatives want to scrap the act, Lib-dems said "Do so at your own peril"

Foxhunting - blah blah blah

Taxburden - Lib dems want to cut inheritance tax and also question tax breaks for couples.

Banks - This is the BIGGEST of them all.They want to split banks to SEPARATE HIGH STREET BANKING and RISKY INVESTMENT FUNCTIONS.

This is very much like the US model..wonder how it will work??

All of a sudden immigration has taken a back seat..hence smiling kidogo.
Not sure you know this, they have lowered the minimum work permit qualifications to undergrad as opposed to Masters.However only guys form the wider EEA are getting workpermits.

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
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