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Wendz
#41 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:10:00 AM
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@nanfor

I thought we are talking about a DEAD trespasser and he didnt die of natural course..... thats why we are where we are.... The death aspect is what makes the case complicated and not just the act of trespassing.

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May be.... infact,he might even claim compensation from the government for the extra time he spent in prison.. hehehehe

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#42 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:15:00 AM
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@ Nonfor,i totally agree with you,this guy has been in remand for more than three years,he has already saved time for the offence for which he was ''found gulity'' . If i had shot the same guy in my property at night i would not even have spent a day in remand.


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Kamwari
#43 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:20:00 AM
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Grapevine has it that the guy was a dayscholar at Kamiti,Money Talks!
Shak
#44 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:28:00 AM
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Judicial controversies are not only confined to Kenya. Remember OJ's and Mj's acquittals in the US? As the judge said,sentencing is not scientific but an art,in other words subjective

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Spendthrift
#45 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:32:00 AM
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I have to think that this issue is only hot because of the land problem and the fact that delamere is not a Kenyan native.

I recall while on college fieldwork,we tresspassed into someone's farm with a university prado (and it had blue licence plates). The owner of the property came out with his rifle already corked and we had to (explain in English) that he shouldn't worry because we had inadvertently staryed into the farm. The guy let us go.

When we left we didn't go to a police station. Instead we continued with our work.

I believe the Chomley case is similar only he chose to allegedly shoot a human being,who reportedly was on flight.

Many issues come to fore here. In my opinion the guy should undergo a medical examination to ascertain his mental stability. On TV he appears quite removed and not-normal. Going by the way his parents look at him while gripping each other,this guy could be a nut case and will surely to pump lead into the next tresspasser even if they were running away.

Arguably,it is okay to immobilise or even kill a tresspasser if he/she poses immediate danger to you or your family. But from media reports on the case,Njoya did not present this danger. That other legal circumlocution is what makes Law an ass.






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nanfor
#46 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:37:00 AM
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Wendz,if the prosecutor was serious,a manslaughter case would have been brought. Then family lawyer would have been more concerned about a civil suit.

If you wanted an example of how bad our prosecutors are,you need not go further than this case. No wonder many poor people are languishing in our prisons since the DPP's office is inept and comes out with stupid charges and the poor man cannot afford good representation since our lawyers are busy drinking at the latest strip joint.

As you can see,the delamare family is already one step ahead saying that they are willing to assist the deceased family. So my question is exactly what law do Kenyan lawyers study?


auka
#47 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:47:00 AM
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Damn......8 Months!?? WT..!!

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fantony
#48 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:04:00 AM
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Even Ruto cries.
Fundaah
#49 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:11:00 AM
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The same judge gave pregnant murderer 3 months yesterday .......This is kenya

I mean fundamental analysis,you get me?

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Spendthrift
#50 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:21:00 AM
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@ Fundaah,

What's the point? should the pregnant 'murderer' like you said have gotten more or less.

In most cases unless bribery is involved,the judges pass their verdict based on the strength of the prosecution. Doesn't it make make you wonder why the three suspects arrested over the Kiambaa murders were acquited for lack of evidence?






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fantony
#51 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:36:00 AM
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and it come back to haunt all those in the course of pervesion of justice.
McReggae
#52 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:43:00 AM
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I believe the judgment was fair,let them take care of the widow and the children,for me this is more important!!!!

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FundamentAli
#53 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:50:00 AM
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Forget the sentence. This case had a lot of political pressure. The man had to be prosecuted as a result. What if there was no political hue and cry? What do you honestly think would have happened? Remember the poachers had dogs which can be considered to be weapons.

How many of you know the number of white people who have been attacked or killed in their homes around lake Naivasha and Nakuru? How many of you seek help from the police in case of trouble? There is a story of a white couple last week who are complaining about illegal settlers in their farm in Nakuru. Where are the police in this instance? Are we going the Zim route without making a public pronouncement? The farm has 10 rifles lincesed by the government. What is the use of these weapons?


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Fundaah
#54 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:52:00 AM
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Chomondoley wasnt going to get a long sentence after all...with all the money..

BTW @ Spendthrift is preganancy a defense for a murderer? then which man would be left standing given the kind of tempers Pg women have especially against the man responsible?





I mean fundamental analysis,you get me? Fundamental analysis of a business involves analyzing its financial statements and health,its management and competitive advantages,and its competitors
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Jaina
#55 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:06:00 PM
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Kenyans will always be taken for granted. Kwani wata do?. The whole thing was stage managed and precedents are now in place. Judge Muga Apondi and others made a well calculated move;

0. Postpone the judgement by one week,.....then
1. Convict a pregnant murderer for 3 months,......,a day before the aristocrats judgement
2. Assess the public reaction,about the same.
3. If the public reaction is favourable,....then
4. Sentence the aristocrat for 8 months.

The sorry state about the entire system of justice is more tanished than before.

The two judgements will from now on be references in future cases of similar nature. So men with pregnant wifes be very careful


ikonini
#56 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:07:00 PM
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with M7 calling wajaluo mad....he must have reffered to this particular one....Tom

or they dont call him Tom charles omondi any more???

i cant trust him even with a toy gun!!!!....kweli sheria ni punda!!!

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Njunge
#57 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:10:00 PM
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If you are caught smoking on the streets of Kenya,you are liable to a sentence of upto 5 years or a hefty fine or both.......hmmmmm......For manslaughter,you get 8 months......!!.Someday day,this justice will look for the common man and it surely will find him.
and here is some reaction:


' What a shame.... the heir to the peerage will appeal,will be granted bail whilst appealing meaning he will be out of Kamiti.The process will take over 2 years and the verdict will be upheld but since the term will have elapsed,he will be deemed to have served his term hence released. This is guaranteed and bankable. Care to save and cash it? Present it to any reputable bank and redeem later. THE LAW IS AN ASS MORESO WHEN YOU ARE PROPERTIED. '







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mkenyan
#58 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:18:00 PM
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@nanfor - Trespass alone is not a defence to murder under the Kenyan law. You can talk of provocation (which will reduce a conviction from murder to manslaughter),defence of property,defence of self,defence of life etc. But never trespass solely. So to say that the issue that the victim was a trespasser should have made the DPP charge him with manslaughter or let him be is just your subjective opinion but not supported by any law. In fact I would believe that the court looked at that and disregarded it as it seems the reduction to manslaughter was solely based on the abscence of malice aforethought and 'mens rea'. ( That is another discussion alltogether without having the benefit of reading thejudgement it seems that the judge was holding that malice aforethougt cannot be formed a few seconds before an act of killing is executed).

Whereas the DPP/AG/Police are rightfully blamed for all manner of abuse of the criminal process in the type of charges that they bring against various accussed,in this instance it would be a bit too rich to blame them. The charges in my opinion was proper,legal and deserved. As it was within the judges power to on examining the evidence to reduce it to manslaughter.

Whether the judgement of the court was right or wrong we can only speculate but such speculation should be tempered with the knowledge that we cannot pass judgement on the judge without looking at the evidence that was placed before him and reading and understanding the whole of his decision.

On the sentencing,there was really nothing out of ordinary in this matter - there asre cases of sentences of even one day for manslaughter in the Kenyan judicial history. Now do not be surpsired if Shaft is already getting Njoya's widow's cosent to sue Chomli.

And for those bringing in the first killing by the accussed,you have to realise that it was not what was in contest in this matter. That killing never led to a conviction and I believe that it was never introduced in this case for the very reason that it was not admissible. If it was then Cholmondley ought to have fired his lawyers.


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#59 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:29:00 PM
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http://justicefortom.com/who-we-are/#comment-662 Just came across this site - Justice for Tom. Hawa ma SWINE wana mambo kweli!!!
mkenyan
#60 Posted : Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:33:00 PM
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Jaina,while the penalty for murder is a mandatory death sentence,I believe there is something in law against sentencing a pregnant woman to death. It is in fact not the first time it is happening in Kenya so do not talk of precedents being set. The precedents are already in Kenyan case law - both for the pregnant woman escaping death and manslaughter drawing a short jail term or even no jail term at all.

BTW - Though they pass death sentence all the time - they do not execute them in Kenya anymore. Interestingly the failure to hang (execute) those sentenced to death in Kenya is a human rights issue as in an abuse of the death row's human rights.

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