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Djinn
#21 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2009 8:41:00 AM
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@KulaRaha - fine. I hope the mosque was not built AFTER you moved in....in which case you have the right to ask them to relocate it. @Jangili - madrassa? Madrassa are lessons for kids - the muezzin has NOTHING to do with that. I see your intolerance is firmly rooted in ignorance (just as much as our tribalism in post-2007 was rooted in the same ignorance).




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Kamaa
#22 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2009 8:48:00 AM
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@ djinn

if the objective is to stop / reduce noise pollution...

believe me even he muezzin will not be an exception!

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KulaRaha
#23 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2009 8:52:00 AM
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Djinn,so you are telling me a mosque in a residential area can disturb residents at all odd times of the day,as long as the mosque was there BEFORE the residents?

Give me a break!


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#24 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2009 8:53:00 AM
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why is it that people that flash the intolerance card when someone does not agree with them? it is the most abused cliche in the world today; maybe only second to 'impunity'.

let me break it down cause it is clear you missed it; my deliberate use of 'madrassa or whatever' was meant to demonstrate that i really do not care to know more about their religion. when i do,i will go to the mosque and ask to be converted.

let's stop treating people with kids gloves for goodness sake. everyone around the world is nowadays afraid of criticizing muslims lest they fall foul to some crazed suicide bombers obsessed with a couple of virgins in the after life.

it will make no sense to ban loud christian keshas (which i support )only to be woken up at 5AM by the muslims.

now that would be intolerance.

noise is noise is noise is noise...

Katika Jangwa la Jangili ndipo Pwagu hupata Pwaguzi.
Katika Jangwa la Jangili ndipo Pwagu hupata Pwaguzi.
Djinn
#25 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2009 8:57:00 AM
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@Wendz smile our SK voice of reason...Wendz,thing is this,you have heard those moving crusades that come to estates sometimes....you have also heard those evagengelical churches with SCREAMING and SCREECHING preachers amplified by 2000W speakers or semaphores. Now,lets thing of those sounds in relation to 1) the decibels and 2) the quality therein (harmonic/discordant/etc) - now lets think of the muezzin who calls 5 times a day - its only at 0400-0500 that people are asleep. Not a bad sound when you compare it to screaming and screeching of Pastor Doctor James Peter of Redeemed Blood of Christ Half Gospel Church - who sets up a podium in the estate or hires 20,000 Watt speakers to blare outside the church.


I think it should come down to what constitutes NOISE and it should be informed by the GREATER good. I gather people are supposed to be waking up anyway around 0500....

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mukiha
#26 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2009 8:59:00 AM
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People,please read the regulations so that we can argue with facts. I have given the NEMA link in an earlier post on this thread.

Specifically look at this section:

PART IV- PROVISIONS RELATING TO LICENSING PROCEDURES FORCERTAIN ACTIVITIES
16. Licence.
(1). Where a sound source is planned,installed or intended to be installed or modified by any person in such a manner that such source shall create or is likely to emit noise or excessive vibrations,or otherwise fail to comply with the provisions of these Regulations,such person shall apply for a licence to the Authority.

(2). No person shall use any sound-amplifying equipment in such a way that such
equipment is or is likely to be heard outside of any building between 9:00 p.m. of any day and 7:30 a.m. of the next day,without a valid license.

(3). Where any person uses or plans to use a public-address system which is likely to emit sound outside of a building,such person shall secure a license under these Regulations.

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The mosques will simply apply for licences to make their calls to prayer. NEMA will go and inspect the equipment used and issue the licenses.

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BTW: I live about 50m from an mosque and I can hear the call. It doesn't bother me because it lasts a very short time and it is predictable...I know when to expect it. In fact,if I don't hear it during the day,I begin wondering whether there is a power shortage.

On the other hand,I live about 5km [straight line] from JKIA. sometimes I hear the roar of the planes as they land....and on a few occasions the sound makes my windows rattle. I am now drafting a complaint to send to NEMA to ask them to ban such planes from JKIA during the night.

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Djinn
#27 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2009 9:06:00 AM
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@mukiha - I think once they apply,it will be down to the quality of equipment....and this is the point I have been trying to make....a muezzin is supposed to sound melodious though I agree,some mosques have such horrible PA systems it hurts the ears. I think the muezzin,if calling using his own voice or a suitable system,will not be a distrubance. Its the same thing with sound systems - you find some discos have such CRAP sound,while others are really LOUD but easy on the ears - the difference between Carnivore at 100 decibels and Rim Club at 50 decibels - the former would win.


@KulaRaha - I think if you found a mosque,bar,brother then you cannot make it move - rather you should make a decision whether to move in. if it came after,then you can make all the noise you want. I find it rather juvenile to think you can move next to a mosque and then complain about the noise - you might as well move to North Horr to start a fishery....

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VituVingiSana
#28 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2009 9:09:00 AM
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A criteria that is used & should be applied is what cam first?

@mukiha - Tha airport (JKIA) has been in existence for many,many years... one of the reasons it is where it is coz it was 'out' of town...
Just because you chose to move to an area near the airport does not make it sensible to have flights banned at night... You could have moved to Westie,Parklands,Kyuna,Runda,etc...

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Djinn
#29 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2009 9:12:00 AM
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@VVS - THANK YOU for 'A criteria that is used & should be applied is what cam first?'...

The problem with equality is that we desire that it be with those that have more than us rather that those that have less
VituVingiSana
#30 Posted : Monday, November 23, 2009 9:13:00 AM
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Lakini the reason for muezzins was coz they would call people to prayer at a certain time... folks did not have watches... Now u can buy one at 50/-...

Also muezzins did not use speakers so... let them sing/shout lakini bila speakers... especially at 5am...

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
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