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DTB Group FY 2018
Ericsson
#21 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2020 7:34:08 AM
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Tuskys has defaulted on a ksh.2.6bn loan owed to DTB
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
KaunganaDoDo
#22 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2020 10:34:38 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
Tuskys has defaulted on a ksh.2.6bn loan owed to DTB


They were fooled by Tuskys about Recovery bla bla bla...Now add the 3.5 Billion they lost in Nakumatt.

So DTB has blocked Tuskys Account which has only 34'Million shillings...

Fyatu
#23 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2020 10:50:20 AM
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Joined: 1/20/2011
Posts: 1,820
Location: Nakuru
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Tuskys has defaulted on a ksh.2.6bn loan owed to DTB


They were fooled by Tuskys about Recovery bla bla bla...Now add the 3.5 Billion they lost in Nakumatt.

So DTB has blocked Tuskys Account which has only 34'Million shillings...



Wololo yaye...in other jurisdictions like USA, someone would have been jailed for 350 years without bail/bond
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
VituVingiSana
#24 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2020 10:56:38 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,346
Location: Nairobi
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Tuskys has defaulted on a ksh.2.6bn loan owed to DTB


They were fooled by Tuskys about Recovery bla bla bla...Now add the 3.5 Billion they lost in Nakumatt.

So DTB has blocked Tuskys Account which has only 34'Million shillings..
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Even though I have some DTB shares, I find this rather amusing. After losing 3.5bn in Nakumatt, you give 2.6bn to its sibling in crime? Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
KaunganaDoDo
#25 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2020 12:19:06 PM
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Joined: 8/6/2018
Posts: 299
VituVingiSana wrote:
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Tuskys has defaulted on a ksh.2.6bn loan owed to DTB


They were fooled by Tuskys about Recovery bla bla bla...Now add the 3.5 Billion they lost in Nakumatt.

So DTB has blocked Tuskys Account which has only 34'Million shillings..
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Even though I have some DTB shares, I find this rather amusing. After losing 3.5bn in Nakumatt, you give 2.6bn to its sibling in crime? Laughing out loudly


So DTB is really in the thick of things...They gave out the money in July 2020 when Tuskys was doing PR campaign, even Vimal Shah was the one of the guests in the PR show....Equity Bank has 280M debt also...

Meanwhile Tuskys has about 3.1 Billion in loans and 6.9 B in suppliers debt...against no Asset just the name...
winmak
#26 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2020 3:14:30 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 12/1/2007
Posts: 539
Location: Nakuru
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Tuskys has defaulted on a ksh.2.6bn loan owed to DTB


They were fooled by Tuskys about Recovery bla bla bla...Now add the 3.5 Billion they lost in Nakumatt.

So DTB has blocked Tuskys Account which has only 34'Million shillings..
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Even though I have some DTB shares, I find this rather amusing. After losing 3.5bn in Nakumatt, you give 2.6bn to its sibling in crime? Laughing out loudly


So DTB is really in the thick of things...They gave out the money in July 2020 when Tuskys was doing PR campaign, even Vimal Shah was the one of the guests in the PR show....Equity Bank has 280M debt also...

Meanwhile Tuskys has about 3.1 Billion in loans and 6.9 B in suppliers debt...against no Asset just the name...


Govt should just criminalize this 'consignment model' of running retail stores
For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
Ericsson
#27 Posted : Wednesday, October 28, 2020 7:27:54 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,804
Location: NAIROBI
winmak wrote:
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Tuskys has defaulted on a ksh.2.6bn loan owed to DTB


They were fooled by Tuskys about Recovery bla bla bla...Now add the 3.5 Billion they lost in Nakumatt.

So DTB has blocked Tuskys Account which has only 34'Million shillings..
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Even though I have some DTB shares, I find this rather amusing. After losing 3.5bn in Nakumatt, you give 2.6bn to its sibling in crime? Laughing out loudly


So DTB is really in the thick of things...They gave out the money in July 2020 when Tuskys was doing PR campaign, even Vimal Shah was the one of the guests in the PR show....Equity Bank has 280M debt also...

Meanwhile Tuskys has about 3.1 Billion in loans and 6.9 B in suppliers debt...against no Asset just the name...


Govt should just criminalize this 'consignment model' of running retail stores


The cartels won't agree.
Kenya is a man eat man society
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
VituVingiSana
#28 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2020 6:53:13 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,346
Location: Nairobi
winmak wrote:
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Tuskys has defaulted on a ksh.2.6bn loan owed to DTB


They were fooled by Tuskys about Recovery bla bla bla...Now add the 3.5 Billion they lost in Nakumatt.

So DTB has blocked Tuskys Account which has only 34'Million shillings..
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Even though I have some DTB shares, I find this rather amusing. After losing 3.5bn in Nakumatt, you give 2.6bn to its sibling in crime? Laughing out loudly


So DTB is really in the thick of things...They gave out the money in July 2020 when Tuskys was doing PR campaign, even Vimal Shah was the one of the guests in the PR show....Equity Bank has 280M debt also...

Meanwhile Tuskys has about 3.1 Billion in loans and 6.9 B in suppliers debt...against no Asset just the name...

Govt should just criminalize this 'consignment model' of running retail stores
The "Consignment Model" is common and makes sense for retailers. The retailer doesn't want to be stuck with slow moving goods whereas the seller/importer/manufacturer finds a place to sell his goods.

Without the consignment model, a retailer may choose to stock what is guaranteed to move vs try new brands or products.

The weakness lies in the corporate governance and laws. There are contracts in place and they should be adhered to but that's where the problem starts. Going to court is expensive and takes ages.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
winmak
#29 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2020 6:30:26 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 12/1/2007
Posts: 539
Location: Nakuru
VituVingiSana wrote:
winmak wrote:
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
KaunganaDoDo wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Tuskys has defaulted on a ksh.2.6bn loan owed to DTB


They were fooled by Tuskys about Recovery bla bla bla...Now add the 3.5 Billion they lost in Nakumatt.

So DTB has blocked Tuskys Account which has only 34'Million shillings..
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Even though I have some DTB shares, I find this rather amusing. After losing 3.5bn in Nakumatt, you give 2.6bn to its sibling in crime? Laughing out loudly


So DTB is really in the thick of things...They gave out the money in July 2020 when Tuskys was doing PR campaign, even Vimal Shah was the one of the guests in the PR show....Equity Bank has 280M debt also...

Meanwhile Tuskys has about 3.1 Billion in loans and 6.9 B in suppliers debt...against no Asset just the name...

Govt should just criminalize this 'consignment model' of running retail stores
The "Consignment Model" is common and makes sense for retailers. The retailer doesn't want to be stuck with slow moving goods whereas the seller/importer/manufacturer finds a place to sell his goods.

Without the consignment model, a retailer may choose to stock what is guaranteed to move vs try new brands or products.

The weakness lies in the corporate governance and laws. There are contracts in place and they should be adhered to but that's where the problem starts. Going to court is expensive and takes ages.


Clearly in Kenya it is being abused.

Pardon my rudimentary understanding of complex businesses but if you are going to take some form of credit (corporate bond, commercial loan), shouldn't there be some form of asset backing? that the lender can resort to in case of default? Can't the regulator insist on a fraction of their profits be used to have fixed assets so that in future access to secured credit is easier?
For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
VituVingiSana
#30 Posted : Friday, October 30, 2020 2:50:15 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,346
Location: Nairobi
Loans come in ALL shapes and sizes. It all depends on the Lender and the Borrower.

From zero collateral e.g. Fuliza to heavily collateralized e.g. real estate loans/mortgages. Even then there are issues for the latter!

What hard assets would a bank e.g. DTB collateralize when Tuskys probably rents/leases the stores, furniture and buys goods on credit?

The "regulator" - who would that be? - can enact rules based on laws but there are issues with that too. Who should be regulated?
The supermarkets?
Which ones?
Which size?
Who will monitor that?

As they say, do check out who you go into business with!

Perhaps it is time for a group of "suppliers" to start their own supermarket chain. Not easy though!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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