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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Pg 310 Quote:The Kikuyu are excellent workers, and
are now to be met with in every part of the
dependency.
In my opinion the Kikuyu will ultimately become
the most important among the native races of
this part of the continent, owing to their greater
intelligence, industry, and adaptability.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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hardwood wrote:Pg 310 Quote:The Kikuyu are excellent workers, and
are now to be met with in every part of the
dependency.
In my opinion the Kikuyu will ultimately become
the most important among the native races of
this part of the continent, owing to their greater
intelligence, industry, and adaptability. The prediction that was made over 100 years ago turned out to be 110% correct. Hata back then Europeans waliona that okuyopeans sio mchezo.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:hardwood wrote:Pg 310 Quote:The Kikuyu are excellent workers, and
are now to be met with in every part of the
dependency.
In my opinion the Kikuyu will ultimately become
the most important among the native races of
this part of the continent, owing to their greater
intelligence, industry, and adaptability. The prediction that was made over 100 years ago turned out to be 110% correct. Hata back then Europeans waliona that okuyopeans sio mchezo. The Mukuyu and specifically the Gikuyu tradition is very noble and strong. But it is neither unique nor exclusive. Your 'great explorer' missed some very interesting views of traditional culture. And you're probably going the same route.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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tycho wrote:hardwood wrote:hardwood wrote:Pg 310 Quote:The Kikuyu are excellent workers, and
are now to be met with in every part of the
dependency.
In my opinion the Kikuyu will ultimately become
the most important among the native races of
this part of the continent, owing to their greater
intelligence, industry, and adaptability. The prediction that was made over 100 years ago turned out to be 110% correct. Hata back then Europeans waliona that okuyopeans sio mchezo. The Mukuyu and specifically the Gikuyu tradition is very noble and strong. But it is neither unique nor exclusive. Your 'great explorer' missed some very interesting views of traditional culture. And you're probably going the same route. @Tycho you are an idiot that needs to be schooled. BTW that quote is from Boyes' book, the first white man to visit okuyopean land in the 1800s. He lived with okuyopeans for over a decade and even married 3 okuyopean wives in the 1800s, before colonisation. And interacted with okuyopean rulers of the time - Chief Karuri wa Gakure and Chief Wang'ombe wa Ihura. I bet that he was definitely more knowledgeable on okuyopean culture and traditions in the 1800s than you are in 2018.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2015 Posts: 468 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:hardwood wrote:hardwood wrote:Pg 310 Quote:The Kikuyu are excellent workers, and
are now to be met with in every part of the
dependency.
In my opinion the Kikuyu will ultimately become
the most important among the native races of
this part of the continent, owing to their greater
intelligence, industry, and adaptability. The prediction that was made over 100 years ago turned out to be 110% correct. Hata back then Europeans waliona that okuyopeans sio mchezo. The Mukuyu and specifically the Gikuyu tradition is very noble and strong. But it is neither unique nor exclusive. Your 'great explorer' missed some very interesting views of traditional culture. And you're probably going the same route. This used to be true but something is happening to the 2nd/3rd generation of a successful Kikuyu similar to that of 2nd/3rd generation of Asian immigrant families in America getting too comfy and becoming like the rest the population.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:tycho wrote:hardwood wrote:hardwood wrote:Pg 310 Quote:The Kikuyu are excellent workers, and
are now to be met with in every part of the
dependency.
In my opinion the Kikuyu will ultimately become
the most important among the native races of
this part of the continent, owing to their greater
intelligence, industry, and adaptability. The prediction that was made over 100 years ago turned out to be 110% correct. Hata back then Europeans waliona that okuyopeans sio mchezo. The Mukuyu and specifically the Gikuyu tradition is very noble and strong. But it is neither unique nor exclusive. Your 'great explorer' missed some very interesting views of traditional culture. And you're probably going the same route. @Tycho you are an idiot that needs to be schooled. BTW that quote is from Boyes' book, the first white man to visit okuyopean land in the 1800s. He lived with okuyopeans for over a decade and even married 3 okuyopean wives in the 1800s, before colonisation. And interacted with okuyopean rulers of the time - Chief Karuri wa Gakure and Chief Wang'ombe wa Ihura. I bet that he was definitely more knowledgeable on okuyopean culture and traditions in the 1800s than you are in 2018. @Hardwood, you're quite wrong about mzungu knowing more about the Gikuyu at any one time. As for me being an idiot needing some schooling you're probably right. Because, I know that had the mzungu known about us to any reasonable degree, then there'd be no need for colonization and even Christianization. You can take this to that bank of yours. Most knowledge about the African by the mzungu has been inherited with very little variation, so in 2018 mzungu doesn't still understand the African.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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hardwood wrote:gk wrote:hardwood wrote:I am currently reading this book by Henry Morton Stanley after whom the Stanley hotel in Nairobi is named. He was one of the greatest explorers of 'equatorial Africa" in the 1800s. The book has very interesting perspectives on how Africa was before colonisation. I am currently reading volume 1 where he documents his travels from zanzibar to bagamoyo (mainland) to dodoma then to shores of lake victoria then to Kabaka Mtesas kingdom in Uganda.
Am just surprised that before colonisation East Africa was in turmoil with tribes againt each other....and arab slave traders....before colonisation brought order to the region. Read "King Leopold's Ghost by Adam Hochschild to get a better understanding of who Stanley really was. I am more interested in how africa was before colonisation, how he found it as he moved for over 2000km from zanzibar to bagamoyo, dodoma to lake victoria. My interest is on how african societies were, their governance, traditions that he observed, warfare etc which are well recorded as a day to day journal. Note that his caravan included 300 porters and 4 europeans. And he had to bring a boat from europe and carry it overland from bagamoyo to lake victoria where he used it to circumnavigate the lake and the islands. Of course the information he collected regarding the geography and the peoples was later used by colonialists. Infact the king of belgium hired him to found and run the congo territory. i wonder how this was done there being no roads/rail. Slaves? i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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harrydre wrote:hardwood wrote:gk wrote:hardwood wrote:I am currently reading this book by Henry Morton Stanley after whom the Stanley hotel in Nairobi is named. He was one of the greatest explorers of 'equatorial Africa" in the 1800s. The book has very interesting perspectives on how Africa was before colonisation. I am currently reading volume 1 where he documents his travels from zanzibar to bagamoyo (mainland) to dodoma then to shores of lake victoria then to Kabaka Mtesas kingdom in Uganda.
Am just surprised that before colonisation East Africa was in turmoil with tribes againt each other....and arab slave traders....before colonisation brought order to the region. Read "King Leopold's Ghost by Adam Hochschild to get a better understanding of who Stanley really was. I am more interested in how africa was before colonisation, how he found it as he moved for over 2000km from zanzibar to bagamoyo, dodoma to lake victoria. My interest is on how african societies were, their governance, traditions that he observed, warfare etc which are well recorded as a day to day journal. Note that his caravan included 300 porters and 4 europeans. And he had to bring a boat from europe and carry it overland from bagamoyo to lake victoria where he used it to circumnavigate the lake and the islands. Of course the information he collected regarding the geography and the peoples was later used by colonialists. Infact the king of belgium hired him to found and run the congo territory. i wonder how this was done there being no roads/rail. Slaves? Porters, mostly paid
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Lolest! wrote:harrydre wrote:hardwood wrote:gk wrote:hardwood wrote:I am currently reading this book by Henry Morton Stanley after whom the Stanley hotel in Nairobi is named. He was one of the greatest explorers of 'equatorial Africa" in the 1800s. The book has very interesting perspectives on how Africa was before colonisation. I am currently reading volume 1 where he documents his travels from zanzibar to bagamoyo (mainland) to dodoma then to shores of lake victoria then to Kabaka Mtesas kingdom in Uganda.
Am just surprised that before colonisation East Africa was in turmoil with tribes againt each other....and arab slave traders....before colonisation brought order to the region. Read "King Leopold's Ghost by Adam Hochschild to get a better understanding of who Stanley really was. I am more interested in how africa was before colonisation, how he found it as he moved for over 2000km from zanzibar to bagamoyo, dodoma to lake victoria. My interest is on how african societies were, their governance, traditions that he observed, warfare etc which are well recorded as a day to day journal. Note that his caravan included 300 porters and 4 europeans. And he had to bring a boat from europe and carry it overland from bagamoyo to lake victoria where he used it to circumnavigate the lake and the islands. Of course the information he collected regarding the geography and the peoples was later used by colonialists. Infact the king of belgium hired him to found and run the congo territory. i wonder how this was done there being no roads/rail. Slaves? Porters, mostly paid The boat was in 8 parts and the sections were carried by porters and later assembled at the shores of lake victoria.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:harrydre wrote:hardwood wrote:gk wrote:hardwood wrote:I am currently reading this book by Henry Morton Stanley after whom the Stanley hotel in Nairobi is named. He was one of the greatest explorers of 'equatorial Africa" in the 1800s. The book has very interesting perspectives on how Africa was before colonisation. I am currently reading volume 1 where he documents his travels from zanzibar to bagamoyo (mainland) to dodoma then to shores of lake victoria then to Kabaka Mtesas kingdom in Uganda.
Am just surprised that before colonisation East Africa was in turmoil with tribes againt each other....and arab slave traders....before colonisation brought order to the region. Read "King Leopold's Ghost by Adam Hochschild to get a better understanding of who Stanley really was. I am more interested in how africa was before colonisation, how he found it as he moved for over 2000km from zanzibar to bagamoyo, dodoma to lake victoria. My interest is on how african societies were, their governance, traditions that he observed, warfare etc which are well recorded as a day to day journal. Note that his caravan included 300 porters and 4 europeans. And he had to bring a boat from europe and carry it overland from bagamoyo to lake victoria where he used it to circumnavigate the lake and the islands. Of course the information he collected regarding the geography and the peoples was later used by colonialists. Infact the king of belgium hired him to found and run the congo territory. i wonder how this was done there being no roads/rail. Slaves? Porters, mostly paid The boat was in 8 parts and the sections were carried by porters and later assembled at the shores of lake victoria. 
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