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Alba
#21 Posted : Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:02:20 AM
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hardwood wrote:
Alba wrote:
Buru is indicative of Nairobi's poor planning and greed. The net result is issues like insane traffic, water shortages, flooding, poor services etc. Things will only get worse as the population surges.


How have cities like London and Paris survived for hundreds of years? Their estates built in the 1800s AD still look nice, while buruburu built just the other day is in shambles.



It is pure greed and lack of foresight among Kenyans.

Nairobi started out well. By 1963 the city was still following the master plan laid out in the 1940s. There was a plan for an orderly expansion of the city. As the documentary describes, land was set aside for fire stations, road expansion, playgrounds, markets etc.

This land that was set aside was grabbed by well connected politicians. Now there is no land left to expand roads, or build firestations or drainage channels or sewer plants.

Aside from land grabbing, property developers have been allowed to expand even in areas which are unsuitable for expansion. They used to accomplish this by simply bribing city hall officials.

Thats why Nairobi is so chaotic in terms of floods, traffic, water shortages, poor housing, crime etc. In Nairobi if your house is on fire, good luck getting the fire brigade to come over.

This is why I keep saying that tribal voting is so bogus. These politicians divide us along tribal lines and while we are on wazua and in bars calling each other names, they are busy grabbing land and taking bribes.

We should be voting for politicians who solve these issues not ones who exacerbate the problem by grabbing land.

Now we are paying for 50 years of mismanagement that we have brought on ourselves.

And Now that there is no more land to grab in the estates, the next frontier for land grabbing is schools and Universities. One of these days we will end up in a situation where 50% of schools in the city have no playing ground because it has been grabbed.

This robbery of land never happen in London, Paris or New York. I can attest to this from a NY perspective. Its not perfect but expansion has been orderly.
sitaki.kujulikana
#22 Posted : Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:22:40 PM
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Alba wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Alba wrote:
Buru is indicative of Nairobi's poor planning and greed. The net result is issues like insane traffic, water shortages, flooding, poor services etc. Things will only get worse as the population surges.


How have cities like London and Paris survived for hundreds of years? Their estates built in the 1800s AD still look nice, while buruburu built just the other day is in shambles.



It is pure greed and lack of foresight among Kenyans.

Nairobi started out well. By 1963 the city was still following the master plan laid out in the 1940s. There was a plan for an orderly expansion of the city. As the documentary describes, land was set aside for fire stations, road expansion, playgrounds, markets etc.

This land that was set aside was grabbed by well connected politicians. Now there is no land left to expand roads, or build firestations or drainage channels or sewer plants.

Aside from land grabbing, property developers have been allowed to expand even in areas which are unsuitable for expansion. They used to accomplish this by simply bribing city hall officials.

Thats why Nairobi is so chaotic in terms of floods, traffic, water shortages, poor housing, crime etc. In Nairobi if your house is on fire, good luck getting the fire brigade to come over.

This is why I keep saying that tribal voting is so bogus. These politicians divide us along tribal lines and while we are on wazua and in bars calling each other names, they are busy grabbing land and taking bribes.

We should be voting for politicians who solve these issues not ones who exacerbate the problem by grabbing land.

Now we are paying for 50 years of mismanagement that we have brought on ourselves.

And Now that there is no more land to grab in the estates, the next frontier for land grabbing is schools and Universities. One of these days we will end up in a situation where 50% of schools in the city have no playing ground because it has been grabbed.

This robbery of land never happen in London, Paris or New York. I can attest to this from a NY perspective. Its not perfect but expansion has been orderly.

those school playgrounds have overgrown grass, kid never play huko, they are all in class cramming for kcse, I think we need to them put to good use like putting up developments on them smile
But in honesty, Nairobi is just a crazy place, but I would place much blame on the love of tuploti.
Alba
#23 Posted : Tuesday, July 26, 2016 3:31:52 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:

those school playgrounds have overgrown grass, kid never play huko, they are all in class cramming for kcse, I think we need to them put to good use like putting up developments on them smile
But in honesty, Nairobi is just a crazy place, but I would place much blame on the love of tuploti.


I never see overgrown fields. In fact I see quite the opposite in primary schools. The field is so overused and overcrowded that there is no grass growing.

You are right when you say love of plots is the issue. The obsession with plots is bad. But what is even worse is the allocation of plots to political bigwigs in areas which should have been set aside for public use. This is especially true for road reserves.

For example, When Nairobi was first built, many middle class housing estates were actually equipped with fire hydrants underground in order to fight fires. Today , other houses have been built over these fire hydrants such that city council would have no chance of locating them for maintenance or even fighting a fire.
obiero
#24 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2016 4:46:55 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Alba wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Alba wrote:
Buru is indicative of Nairobi's poor planning and greed. The net result is issues like insane traffic, water shortages, flooding, poor services etc. Things will only get worse as the population surges.


How have cities like London and Paris survived for hundreds of years? Their estates built in the 1800s AD still look nice, while buruburu built just the other day is in shambles.



It is pure greed and lack of foresight among Kenyans.

Nairobi started out well. By 1963 the city was still following the master plan laid out in the 1940s. There was a plan for an orderly expansion of the city. As the documentary describes, land was set aside for fire stations, road expansion, playgrounds, markets etc.

This land that was set aside was grabbed by well connected politicians. Now there is no land left to expand roads, or build firestations or drainage channels or sewer plants.

Aside from land grabbing, property developers have been allowed to expand even in areas which are unsuitable for expansion. They used to accomplish this by simply bribing city hall officials.

Thats why Nairobi is so chaotic in terms of floods, traffic, water shortages, poor housing, crime etc. In Nairobi if your house is on fire, good luck getting the fire brigade to come over.

This is why I keep saying that tribal voting is so bogus. These politicians divide us along tribal lines and while we are on wazua and in bars calling each other names, they are busy grabbing land and taking bribes.

We should be voting for politicians who solve these issues not ones who exacerbate the problem by grabbing land.

Now we are paying for 50 years of mismanagement that we have brought on ourselves.

And Now that there is no more land to grab in the estates, the next frontier for land grabbing is schools and Universities. One of these days we will end up in a situation where 50% of schools in the city have no playing ground because it has been grabbed.

This robbery of land never happen in London, Paris or New York. I can attest to this from a NY perspective. Its not perfect but expansion has been orderly.

those school playgrounds have overgrown grass, kid never play huko, they are all in class cramming for kcse, I think we need to them put to good use like putting up developments on them smile
But in honesty, Nairobi is just a crazy place, but I would place much blame on the love of tuploti.

In Nyayo Estate on one of the kids play areas they have put up one bedrooms retailing at KES 4.5m while the 3 bedroom goes for KES 7.5m. Dilution of the value for current property owners. Shame on the high priest Arap Singh and company

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hardwood
#25 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2016 5:19:28 PM
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Sad. Illegal extensions and kiosks/vibandas have killed the once beautiful estate.

Alba
#26 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2016 5:44:29 PM
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obiero wrote:

In Nyayo Estate on one of the kids play areas they have put up one bedrooms retailing at KES 4.5m while the 3 bedroom goes for KES 7.5m. Dilution of the value for current property owners. Shame on the high priest Arap Singh and company


This is true all over Nairobi. Housing estates that were built during the colonoal period as well as during the 1960s and 1970s all had playgrounds and recreation areas.

Playgrounds are not just for fun and games. The original city planners who were mostly Europeans understood that the youth need to be kept busy with positive activities in order to keep them away from drugs and crime. Thats why the mandated that all housing estates must have playgrounds and recreational spaces.

Today most of these playgrounds have been grabbed and the new estates being built do not have any recreation spaces.

As a result all colonial era housing estates like Jericho and Makongeni are losing their recreation areas.

So the jobless youth sit around idling all day, smoking ganja, drinking themselves silly and chewing miraa while plotting their next mugging

Dallas boxing club in Muthurwa which produced Kenya's best boxers through the 1970s and 1980s has been having to fight off greedy developers who are intent on grabbing it. Its just a matter of time before it is gone like other social halls. And you wonder why Kenya is useless at boxing nowadays?

Some of these muggers and carjackers should be channeled towards boxing and other sports as an outlet for their aggression. Instead of grabbing the gyms, we should put these youth in there and equip them with punching bags and weights. And the amount of money an amateur boxer can make nowadays is incredible (millions).

But Mwaafrigha is overcome with greed and lack of foresight.
Fullykenyan
#27 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2016 10:25:02 PM
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Alba wrote:
obiero wrote:

In Nyayo Estate on one of the kids play areas they have put up one bedrooms retailing at KES 4.5m while the 3 bedroom goes for KES 7.5m. Dilution of the value for current property owners. Shame on the high priest Arap Singh and company


This is true all over Nairobi. Housing estates that were built during the colonoal period as well as during the 1960s and 1970s all had playgrounds and recreation areas.

Playgrounds are not just for fun and games. The original city planners who were mostly Europeans understood that the youth need to be kept busy with positive activities in order to keep them away from drugs and crime. Thats why the mandated that all housing estates must have playgrounds and recreational spaces.

Today most of these playgrounds have been grabbed and the new estates being built do not have any recreation spaces.

As a result all colonial era housing estates like Jericho and Makongeni are losing their recreation areas.

So the jobless youth sit around idling all day, smoking ganja, drinking themselves silly and chewing miraa while plotting their next mugging

Dallas boxing club in Muthurwa which produced Kenya's best boxers through the 1970s and 1980s has been having to fight off greedy developers who are intent on grabbing it. Its just a matter of time before it is gone like other social halls. And you wonder why Kenya is useless at boxing nowadays?

Some of these muggers and carjackers should be channeled towards boxing and other sports as an outlet for their aggression. Instead of grabbing the gyms, we should put these youth in there and equip them with punching bags and weights. And the amount of money an amateur boxer can make nowadays is incredible (millions).

But Mwaafrigha is overcome with greed and lack of foresight.

There is some stupidity a black man has, that i don´t really know where it came from. A missionary in Africa told me, although i found it racist then, that black people were created to do sports while white people were created to be academically superior. Sometimes, i think he was right although it is a hard pill to take
Alba
#28 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2016 10:52:59 PM
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Fullykenyan wrote:

There is some stupidity a black man has, that i don´t really know where it came from. A missionary in Africa told me, although i found it racist then, that black people were created to do sports while white people were created to be academically superior. Sometimes, i think he was right although it is a hard pill to take


The problem with Kenya is cultural not cerebral. We are not stupid. We are just greedy. The culture of greed was created by Jomo Kenyatta.

The first president of Kenya was greedy beyond belief. He was a relentless land grabber who is said to have grabbed enough land for 3 or 4 counties. He set the tone for the rest of the country. When people saw the prezzi grabbing land, they also followed suit. In fact Kenyatta and Moi both encouraged their inner circle and government officials to be corrupt while Kibaki and UK have decided to turn a blind eye to corruption and theft.

The net result is that anyone who has an opportunity to grab land or bribe or build an illegal building will do so. Our leaders have created a culture where such behaviour is acceptable.

As I said in the other thread, I blame Jomo Kenyatta for the mess that is Nairobi. He lived in London for 15 years so he had a chance to see a fully functional mature city. He could have come back to Kenya and ensured that land was reserved for fire stations, road expansion, drainage , water catchment, sewers and other infrastructure.

Instead of looking out for the future of the city and its people, he looked out for his family: He grabbed land even within the cities and towns and encouraged well connected people to do the same.

So now the heirs of these people are fighting over multi-billion shilling property while you battle insane traffic, water shortages, power shortagaes and so forth.
hardwood
#29 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2016 10:00:00 AM
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Alba wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:

There is some stupidity a black man has, that i don´t really know where it came from. A missionary in Africa told me, although i found it racist then, that black people were created to do sports while white people were created to be academically superior. Sometimes, i think he was right although it is a hard pill to take


The problem with Kenya is cultural not cerebral. We are not stupid. We are just greedy. The culture of greed was created by Jomo Kenyatta.

The first president of Kenya was greedy beyond belief. He was a relentless land grabber who is said to have grabbed enough land for 3 or 4 counties. He set the tone for the rest of the country. When people saw the prezzi grabbing land, they also followed suit. In fact Kenyatta and Moi both encouraged their inner circle and government officials to be corrupt while Kibaki and UK have decided to turn a blind eye to corruption and theft.

The net result is that anyone who has an opportunity to grab land or bribe or build an illegal building will do so. Our leaders have created a culture where such behaviour is acceptable.

As I said in the other thread, I blame Jomo Kenyatta for the mess that is Nairobi. He lived in London for 15 years so he had a chance to see a fully functional mature city. He could have come back to Kenya and ensured that land was reserved for fire stations, road expansion, drainage , water catchment, sewers and other infrastructure.

Instead of looking out for the future of the city and its people, he looked out for his family: He grabbed land even within the cities and towns and encouraged well connected people to do the same.

So now the heirs of these people are fighting over multi-billion shilling property while you battle insane traffic, water shortages, power shortagaes and so forth.


@fullykenyan You have to be stupid to believe such nonsense. We have very many academically gifted blacks including many professors even in the US.

@alba Jomo Kenyatta is NOT to blame for the mess in nairobi. When he died in 1978 he left what the world used to call "the green city in the sun". It was a city where you could even go window shopping at tom mboya street, river road at midnight. He even left a working public transport system and buses used to run on time, even at night. He left beautiful well planned estates even in eastlands eg buru buru, umoja, donholm etc with playgrounds, social halls etc. Then Moi took over and everything went haywire.
wukan
#30 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2016 11:24:03 AM
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hardwood wrote:
Alba wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:

There is some stupidity a black man has, that i don´t really know where it came from. A missionary in Africa told me, although i found it racist then, that black people were created to do sports while white people were created to be academically superior. Sometimes, i think he was right although it is a hard pill to take


The problem with Kenya is cultural not cerebral. We are not stupid. We are just greedy. The culture of greed was created by Jomo Kenyatta.

The first president of Kenya was greedy beyond belief. He was a relentless land grabber who is said to have grabbed enough land for 3 or 4 counties. He set the tone for the rest of the country. When people saw the prezzi grabbing land, they also followed suit. In fact Kenyatta and Moi both encouraged their inner circle and government officials to be corrupt while Kibaki and UK have decided to turn a blind eye to corruption and theft.

The net result is that anyone who has an opportunity to grab land or bribe or build an illegal building will do so. Our leaders have created a culture where such behaviour is acceptable.

As I said in the other thread, I blame Jomo Kenyatta for the mess that is Nairobi. He lived in London for 15 years so he had a chance to see a fully functional mature city. He could have come back to Kenya and ensured that land was reserved for fire stations, road expansion, drainage , water catchment, sewers and other infrastructure.

Instead of looking out for the future of the city and its people, he looked out for his family: He grabbed land even within the cities and towns and encouraged well connected people to do the same.

So now the heirs of these people are fighting over multi-billion shilling property while you battle insane traffic, water shortages, power shortagaes and so forth.


@fullykenyan You have to be stupid to believe such nonsense. We have very many academically gifted blacks including many professors even in the US.

@alba Jomo Kenyatta is NOT to blame for the mess in nairobi. When he died in 1978 he left what the world used to call "the green city in the sun". It was a city where you could even go window shopping at tom mboya street, river road at midnight. He even left a working public transport system and buses used to run on time, even at night. He left beautiful well planned estates even in eastlands eg buru buru, umoja, donholm etc with playgrounds, social halls etc. Then Moi took over and everything went haywire.


Nairobi in the 1980's was a beautiful place, buruburu was at its prime, umoja and even dandora was still a well organized place, water in constant supply, public transport run on time and across the city. Things went haywire after the 1992 election when the city commission was replaced with the kanjoras from Murang'a. As for the buru buru the land value has gone up but those houses are 30+ years old you would expect them to be dilapidated by now. Something happened to peoples incomes in 1990s so they couldn't keep up with a middle class status forcing them to build extensions to supplement falling incomes.
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