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murchr wrote:Ash Ock wrote:murchr wrote:
I think the thika road example is very poor since its a work in progress I mean, have they even completed mapping and identifying spots? IoT is already in play as shown on the graph you pasted and growing in stages, the pessimists will always have something to say, remember they even said that the Ipad will not take off because its useless since laptops are serving the purpose, but look at what the giants are doing. Apple, Google, Dell, AT&T, Samsung, Amazon, Microsoft, Bosch, Cisco, GE, Huawei, Hitachi, LG and the list is endless. If IoT capable devices become the standard (as championed by Samsung) the rest will be forced to follow the tow. Data can only make sense when analyzed by humans. The argument that an AI machine has to analyze the data for IoT to succeed is rather laughable, i don't doubt there will be plenty of that, but trend has began and there's more to come.
Whoa, hold on there murchr, I'm not a pessimist. I'm one of the one's who can't wait for ASI to become a reality (not like Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak says humans will be robots' pets  ). The point about the ASI becoming necessary for the IoT to work is the amount of data needed to be analyzed. Let me quote from a couple of the articles I linked above: Quote:IoT will produce a tsunami of big data, with the rapid expansion of devices and sensors connected to the Internet of Things continues, the sheer volume of data being created by them will increase to an astronomical level. This data will hold extremely valuable insights into what’s working well or what’s not. I'm sure you'll agree analyzing this mountain of data is going to be a completely hopeless task for humans to achieve. The Thika road analogy I presented is exactly that: we had massive information streaming in during the rains yet we humans were not able to get that information out in real time to the road users, whether by twitter, FB, or any of the means we're currently using today. I personally would be too slow, opening up Twitter/Facebook, typing the message, correcting the errors if any, then pressing send etc. Quote:As the rapid expansion of devices and sensors connected to the Internet of Things continues, the sheer volume of data being created by them will increase to a mind-boggling level. This data will hold extremely valuable insight into what’s working well or what’s not – pointing out conflicts that arise and providing high-value insight into new business risks and opportunities as correlations and associations are made. Even today, analyzing relatively "little" data like Facebook or Twitter do with users data (using ANI), is completely impossible for us humans to do within a reasonable time frame. Yet ANI is very limited in its very narrow application field. Actually, I never meant that you are the pessimist. The writer of the wired article is. As for thika road. First things first. Am sure you have visited other cities with better infrastructure.... then you know thika road is not even close to anything modern, I mean a road with no HOV lane and side lane where a car needing road assistance can tow to...so even if it was mapped and a car gets into an accident, getting to that vehicle will still be problematic (no real time response is possible) because of the traffic pile up. So even in the rain, even if the road was flooded, all we Kenyans could say is Thika road is flooded get amazed, complain and keep going. No solution would be forthcoming. In what is now a perfect highway(there's room for improvement), there would be people watching traffic as it moves, and reporting like in this case or this case and in congested situations so we're still very far from modern. This technology is old. In a perfect world a GPS would give you more than one way of getting to your destination and give you details of the time you will take on the road depending on the traffic and incidents reported. As for big data, we have not even utilized the capacity of an Oracle database with all the data in the world and surely you cant assume that people are sitting and waiting do you? Really? bro the GDP of a country should be compared with its infrastructure, you cannot expect Nairobi to have world class infrastructure like Tokyo, London or Sydney. For our economy, i think Thika Road is more than modern......... Enjoy every moment of your life, you never know when your time will come.
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UpcomingPaperChaser wrote:murchr wrote:Ash Ock wrote:murchr wrote:
I think the thika road example is very poor since its a work in progress I mean, have they even completed mapping and identifying spots? IoT is already in play as shown on the graph you pasted and growing in stages, the pessimists will always have something to say, remember they even said that the Ipad will not take off because its useless since laptops are serving the purpose, but look at what the giants are doing. Apple, Google, Dell, AT&T, Samsung, Amazon, Microsoft, Bosch, Cisco, GE, Huawei, Hitachi, LG and the list is endless. If IoT capable devices become the standard (as championed by Samsung) the rest will be forced to follow the tow. Data can only make sense when analyzed by humans. The argument that an AI machine has to analyze the data for IoT to succeed is rather laughable, i don't doubt there will be plenty of that, but trend has began and there's more to come.
Whoa, hold on there murchr, I'm not a pessimist. I'm one of the one's who can't wait for ASI to become a reality (not like Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak says humans will be robots' pets ). The point about the ASI becoming necessary for the IoT to work is the amount of data needed to be analyzed. Let me quote from a couple of the articles I linked above: Quote:IoT will produce a tsunami of big data, with the rapid expansion of devices and sensors connected to the Internet of Things continues, the sheer volume of data being created by them will increase to an astronomical level. This data will hold extremely valuable insights into what’s working well or what’s not. I'm sure you'll agree analyzing this mountain of data is going to be a completely hopeless task for humans to achieve. The Thika road analogy I presented is exactly that: we had massive information streaming in during the rains yet we humans were not able to get that information out in real time to the road users, whether by twitter, FB, or any of the means we're currently using today. I personally would be too slow, opening up Twitter/Facebook, typing the message, correcting the errors if any, then pressing send etc. Quote:As the rapid expansion of devices and sensors connected to the Internet of Things continues, the sheer volume of data being created by them will increase to a mind-boggling level. This data will hold extremely valuable insight into what’s working well or what’s not – pointing out conflicts that arise and providing high-value insight into new business risks and opportunities as correlations and associations are made. Even today, analyzing relatively "little" data like Facebook or Twitter do with users data (using ANI), is completely impossible for us humans to do within a reasonable time frame. Yet ANI is very limited in its very narrow application field. Actually, I never meant that you are the pessimist. The writer of the wired article is. As for thika road. First things first. Am sure you have visited other cities with better infrastructure.... then you know thika road is not even close to anything modern, I mean a road with no HOV lane and side lane where a car needing road assistance can tow to...so even if it was mapped and a car gets into an accident, getting to that vehicle will still be problematic (no real time response is possible) because of the traffic pile up. So even in the rain, even if the road was flooded, all we Kenyans could say is Thika road is flooded get amazed, complain and keep going. No solution would be forthcoming. In what is now a perfect highway(there's room for improvement), there would be people watching traffic as it moves, and reporting like in this case or this case and in congested situations so we're still very far from modern. This technology is old. In a perfect world a GPS would give you more than one way of getting to your destination and give you details of the time you will take on the road depending on the traffic and incidents reported. As for big data, we have not even utilized the capacity of an Oracle database with all the data in the world and surely you cant assume that people are sitting and waiting do you? Really? bro the GDP of a country should be compared with its infrastructure, you cannot expect Nairobi to have world class infrastructure like Tokyo, London or Sydney. For our economy, i think Thika Road is more than modern......... Your bar is too low "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Lets see how this one goes.Amazon Echo now has competition. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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And the race to make your wallet obsolete continues "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Eric Mutembei, 22 and 24-year-old James Karuri computer science students have developed a Sensor based Automatic Irrigation System and Smart Home Automation Kit to cut on cost and labour. Mr. Mutembei a third year student in Kenya Methodist University and Mr Karuri a fourth year student in Meru University of Science and Technology (MUST), designed phone application systems to allow people monitor activities while they are away. With the assistance of a Physics Lecturer. Daniel Maitethia, the lead innovator of the systems and a Physics lab technician Samuel Lalai both from MUST, the students managed to design the systems to help cut on cost and save time. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Ndemo wrote:............The Digital Program targeted Standard Eight dropouts selected from each sub-county who, in most cases, have no chance of finding employment. With digital knowledge, they can find back-office jobs monitoring digital cameras globally using the abundant bandwidth in Kisumu. These are some of the jobs created by new technologies such as the Internet of Things (IoT). .................................
In the coming days, virtually every gadget will be connected to every other gadget and as such, some critical monitoring devices will be monitored for long periods of time to guarantee a constant flow of reliable data.
Hospitals of the future will start equipping patients with wearables, which will necessitate integration into ICT. They will also update their networks to enhance monitoring of their solutions.
All these will require a re-skilled workforce, and those counties that successfully prepare their citizens for future jobs will succeed. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2011 Posts: 627 Location: Mbui-Nzau, Kikumbulyu
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algorithms can backfire especially non parametric ones saa hiiyo mutoto yake atapigwo pasi na awekwe kwa washing machine..scary
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/15/2015 Posts: 817
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spooky stuff. robots will rule us all
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