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Kratos wrote:Alba wrote:Kenyans are an interesting bunch. To most Kenyans, Having a member of your tribe in power is more important than addressing issues like crime, heavy traffic, poor health facilities, poor security etc.
When you mention that Kenya's penchant for tribal voting is a cancer, the tribalism apologists like petereborn, murchr, kratos and others will quickly attack you and justify Kenya's tribal voting by pointing to other countries.
Its like saying my neighbour drinks poison so why can't I ?
Imagine your child coming home saying: "My friends cross the street without looking so why can't I"?
Thats what the tribalism apologists on wazua do. As sad as the issue is, you have a very narrow focus on real issues. There is nothing personal that any politician from any divide would have done to prevent Madaga's situation from happening other than the medical staff and administration at KNH. You keep barking about tribalism, whilst its a genuine concern IT IS NOT THE ROOT CAUSE OF ALL PROBLEMS! Read the stories below and tell me how TRIBALISM influenced it. Quote: Texas Man Dies After Waiting 16 Hours for Treatment in ER Simon Gutierrez,
SAN ANTONIO --
A spokeswoman for University Hospital has confirmed a man who witnesses say waited close to 16 hours in the emergency room died Tuesday morning.
Alfred Garza, who said he spoke to the man while also awaiting treatment, said the man was in obvious pain and told him he had been waiting in the ER since 8:00 a.m. Monday.
Garza said he noticed the man in distress at about midnight and asked a nurse to check his vital signs.
"She stood up and went and talked to another nurse, and they just stood at the window and looked at him," said Garza.
Garza said he sat next to the man a half-hour later and noticed he appeared to have stopped breathing. This time, he said he was able to get a nurse to attend to him. Quote:Reports have emerged that a man died in a hospital waiting room in New York City more than eight hours after he sought emergency care.
According to multiple reports, 30-year-old John Verrier entered the emergency room of St. Barnabas Hospital in the Bronx at around 10 p.m. on Jan. 12 complaining about a rash. He was found dead in the waiting room about 6:40 a.m. the next day when a guard failed to wake him up.
St. Barnabas Hospital spokesperson Steve Clark confirmed the timeline around Verrier's death to CBS News, but said the details of what actually happened had been glossed over by many.
“Probably this scenario in this shape and form has happened in any big hospital in New York City,” he said. Quote:Family of man who died waiting in ER can sue, court rules
WINNIPEG -- Manitoba's highest court has ruled that the family of a man who died during a 34-hour hospital emergency room wait can sue the health authority for a breach of charter and privacy rights.
Lower courts struck out the heart of the lawsuit filed by the family of Brian Sinclair, ruling his loved ones couldn't sue because those rights died with him in 2008. Lawyers for Sinclair's family argued it was absurd that the family of a man who died because he didn't receive proper care couldn't sue because he was dead. The reason I have randomly quoted stories from the internet is because your tired one line narrative that tribalism is to blame for all our problems and that people like me (as if you personally know me) are responsible is as lame as they come. If you do not want to be challenged on the validity of your arguments its better you keep to your arm chair analysis of Kenyan football where you think Nyamweya is the problem.  I have absolutely nothing else to add.I refuse to engage myself with shallow minded fellows who blames Uhuru or Raila when they cant get an erection.We need to address the specific issues and provide specific solutions. Consistency is better than intensity
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mawinder wrote:Heck was a tribalist till I realized the folly of it. Kenya will only prosper the day we have a president from a community that is not a big tribe e.g. Samburu etc. Madaga could as well be your brother, uncle, son etc. This bullshit of Cord, Jubilee, LDP, TNA, URP etc will take us down.  Look who is talking.The king of hate and tribalism in this republic. Consistency is better than intensity
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PeterReborn wrote:mawinder wrote:Heck was a tribalist till I realized the folly of it. Kenya will only prosper the day we have a president from a community that is not a big tribe e.g. Samburu etc. Madaga could as well be your brother, uncle, son etc. This bullshit of Cord, Jubilee, LDP, TNA, URP etc will take us down. Look who is talking.The king of hate and tribalism in this republic. Weak link that shows me supporting members of my tribe.
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@PeterReborn - We can agree to disagree but if we don't agree on the issues it will be difficult to commit to any solution(s) while being driven by conflicting individual and group interests.
Unless we can agree on and be driven by a 'higher' purpose/values,I think we will continue to get along(when necessary or convenient) for the opportunity to get ahead even if it is at the expense of others.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Kratos wrote:Alba wrote:Kenyans are an interesting bunch. To most Kenyans, Having a member of your tribe in power is more important than addressing issues like crime, heavy traffic, poor health facilities, poor security etc.
When you mention that Kenya's penchant for tribal voting is a cancer, the tribalism apologists like petereborn, murchr, kratos and others will quickly attack you and justify Kenya's tribal voting by pointing to other countries.
Its like saying my neighbour drinks poison so why can't I ?
Imagine your child coming home saying: "My friends cross the street without looking so why can't I"?
Thats what the tribalism apologists on wazua do. As sad as the issue is, you have a very narrow focus on real issues. There is nothing personal that any politician from any divide would have done to prevent Madaga's situation from happening other than the medical staff and administration at KNH. You keep barking about tribalism, whilst its a genuine concern IT IS NOT THE ROOT CAUSE OF ALL PROBLEMS! Read the stories below and tell me how TRIBALISM influenced it. Quote: Texas Man Dies After Waiting 16 Hours for Treatment in ER Simon Gutierrez,
SAN ANTONIO --
A spokeswoman for University Hospital has confirmed a man who witnesses say waited close to 16 hours in the emergency room died Tuesday morning.
Alfred Garza, who said he spoke to the man while also awaiting treatment, said the man was in obvious pain and told him he had been waiting in the ER since 8:00 a.m. Monday.
Garza said he noticed the man in distress at about midnight and asked a nurse to check his vital signs.
"She stood up and went and talked to another nurse, and they just stood at the window and looked at him," said Garza.
Garza said he sat next to the man a half-hour later and noticed he appeared to have stopped breathing. This time, he said he was able to get a nurse to attend to him. Quote:Reports have emerged that a man died in a hospital waiting room in New York City more than eight hours after he sought emergency care.
According to multiple reports, 30-year-old John Verrier entered the emergency room of St. Barnabas Hospital in the Bronx at around 10 p.m. on Jan. 12 complaining about a rash. He was found dead in the waiting room about 6:40 a.m. the next day when a guard failed to wake him up.
St. Barnabas Hospital spokesperson Steve Clark confirmed the timeline around Verrier's death to CBS News, but said the details of what actually happened had been glossed over by many.
“Probably this scenario in this shape and form has happened in any big hospital in New York City,” he said. Quote:Family of man who died waiting in ER can sue, court rules
WINNIPEG -- Manitoba's highest court has ruled that the family of a man who died during a 34-hour hospital emergency room wait can sue the health authority for a breach of charter and privacy rights.
Lower courts struck out the heart of the lawsuit filed by the family of Brian Sinclair, ruling his loved ones couldn't sue because those rights died with him in 2008. Lawyers for Sinclair's family argued it was absurd that the family of a man who died because he didn't receive proper care couldn't sue because he was dead. The reason I have randomly quoted stories from the internet is because your tired one line narrative that tribalism is to blame for all our problems and that people like me (as if you personally know me) are responsible is as lame as they come. If you do not want to be challenged on the validity of your arguments its better you keep to your arm chair analysis of Kenyan football where you think Nyamweya is the problem. Look at Kratos still defending Kenyan tribal voting yet again. Tribal voting is indeed the primary cause of most of our problems. No politician is motivated to fix anything or address any issues. Politicians make appointments based on tribal balancing instead of competence which is why our security is a mess. You went trolling around the internet again searching for examples that you can use to defend that sheer incompetence in Kenya. But its an epic fail because at least in Canada, such issues are usually exceptions as opposed to kenya where we have chronic problems that are never addressed Your logic means if your neighbour is drinking poison, you too will drink poison. Also in Canada, when something goes wrong, people are held accountable. In Kenya no such thing happens. You will have to try much harder to keep defending the sheer incompetence that is Kenya.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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I find it utterly laughable that the tribalism apologists : peterreborn and kratos are defending Kenyan mediocrity by pointing to the west. I have gone to hospitals in North America numerous times. I have gone to Kenyan hospitals as well. Trust me the level of chronic incompetence that you see in Kenya is unthinkable in North America. That is not to say that hospitals in the west make some mistakes. Of course they do. But they are not chronically incompetent. And people who do not do their jobs are held accountable. I have relatives who are trying to get cancer treatment at Kenyatta. It is an ordeal. People have to wait months to get chemotherapy. And many hospital staff have a "don't care attitude so followup on treatment can be spotty. Ask yourself why many Kenyans are doing harambees to go to India for cancer treatment and other treatments. If we were issue based voters, the president would make it a priority to fix kenyatta hospital and the health system as a whole. But he does not have to because Kenyans will vote on tribal basis anyway If Kratos and peter-reborn try to compare Kenyan health system to the North American ones, please do them justice and laugh at them. It is comical and is very poor logic. Its like saying Harambee Stars losing to Comoros and Lesotho at home is OK because Germany the world champions also lose sometimes. 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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Alba wrote:I find it utterly laughable that the tribalism apologists : peterreborn and kratos are defending Kenyan mediocrity by pointing to the west. I have gone to hospitals in North America numerous times. I have gone to Kenyan hospitals as well. Trust me the level of chronic incompetence that you see in Kenya is unthinkable in North America. That is not to say that hospitals in the west make some mistakes. Of course they do. But they are not chronically incompetent. And people who do not do their jobs are held accountable. I have relatives who are trying to get cancer treatment at Kenyatta. It is an ordeal. People have to wait months to get chemotherapy. And many hospital staff have a "don't care attitude so followup on treatment can be spotty. Ask yourself why many Kenyans are doing harambees to go to India for cancer treatment and other treatments. If we were issue based voters, the president would make it a priority to fix kenyatta hospital and the health system as a whole. But he does not have to because Kenyans will vote on tribal basis anyway If Kratos and peter-reborn try to compare Kenyan health system to the North American ones, please do them justice and laugh at them. It is comical and is very poor logic. Its like saying Harambee Stars losing to Comoros and Lesotho at home is OK because Germany the world champions also lose sometimes. You sound like you are on heat.Why dont you go jerk off then come back. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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mawinder wrote:PeterReborn wrote:mawinder wrote:Heck was a tribalist till I realized the folly of it. Kenya will only prosper the day we have a president from a community that is not a big tribe e.g. Samburu etc. Madaga could as well be your brother, uncle, son etc. This bullshit of Cord, Jubilee, LDP, TNA, URP etc will take us down. Look who is talking.The king of hate and tribalism in this republic. Weak link that shows me supporting members of my tribe. I have to give you credit.You are our Moses Kuria and there is moses Kuria in everyone of us. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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¿ wrote:@PeterReborn - We can agree to disagree but if we don't agree on the issues it will be difficult to commit to any solution(s) while being driven by conflicting individual and group interests.
Unless we can agree on and be driven by a 'higher' purpose/values,I think we will continue to get along(when necessary or convenient) for the opportunity to get ahead even if it is at the expense of others. Who are we kidding? Why should be agree or disagree on issues when our politics is not issues based.And dont worry Kenya is not a failed state.We may have a few challenges but we have not failed.Kuteleza sio kuanguka. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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PeterReborn wrote:Alba wrote:I find it utterly laughable that the tribalism apologists : peterreborn and kratos are defending Kenyan mediocrity by pointing to the west. I have gone to hospitals in North America numerous times. I have gone to Kenyan hospitals as well. Trust me the level of chronic incompetence that you see in Kenya is unthinkable in North America. That is not to say that hospitals in the west make some mistakes. Of course they do. But they are not chronically incompetent. And people who do not do their jobs are held accountable. I have relatives who are trying to get cancer treatment at Kenyatta. It is an ordeal. People have to wait months to get chemotherapy. And many hospital staff have a "don't care attitude so followup on treatment can be spotty. Ask yourself why many Kenyans are doing harambees to go to India for cancer treatment and other treatments. If we were issue based voters, the president would make it a priority to fix kenyatta hospital and the health system as a whole. But he does not have to because Kenyans will vote on tribal basis anyway If Kratos and peter-reborn try to compare Kenyan health system to the North American ones, please do them justice and laugh at them. It is comical and is very poor logic. Its like saying Harambee Stars losing to Comoros and Lesotho at home is OK because Germany the world champions also lose sometimes. You sound like you are on heat.Why dont you go jerk off then come back. Look at peter-retarded. Since he has no rebuttal, he resorts to childish insults
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