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masukuma
#21 Posted : Sunday, September 20, 2015 10:13:44 AM
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majimaji wrote:
masukuma wrote:
guru267 wrote:

The languages of God's revelation is Syriac(Abraham pbuh spoke this). This language gave birth to Hebrew (Moses pbuh spoke this, Aramaic (Jesus pbuh spoke this) and Arabic (Muhammad pbuh spoke this)

But the reason we all speak Arabic is not to make God happy but for the same reason we face Mecca when we pray... UNITY

That's why I say Islam is a better 'designed' religion. within it there are features that enable it's self propagation within. It creates a culture of sorts that enables people to do certain things at certain times to remind themselves that they are muslims... Do you make prayers in fursa? Do muslims everywhere make prayers in fursa? Coz some versions of Arabic kama Juba Arabic are so different that Fursa speakers get nothing! ama bora inaitwa Kiarabu - you are good to go? Did people at the coast pray in swahili at the turn of the 19th century (as it was written in arabic script) ?


Arabic is the language with the largest number of speakers in Africa and the most widespread. Arabic has borrowed and given many words in many regions.

yeah.... but what has that got to do with the question raised? my question is...
do people make prayers in Fursa (classical arabic) or in whatever dialect of arabic that is spoken in their area! Egyptian Arabic is different from Saudi/Yemeni Arabic. Tunisian arabic is different still. When you come south - Juba Arabic is very different from classical arabic - I guess the same will be said about Arabic in Zanzibar and as far south as Comoros...
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AlphDoti
#22 Posted : Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:38:11 PM
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masukuma wrote:
majimaji wrote:
masukuma wrote:
guru267 wrote:

The languages of God's revelation is Syriac(Abraham pbuh spoke this). This language gave birth to Hebrew (Moses pbuh spoke this, Aramaic (Jesus pbuh spoke this) and Arabic (Muhammad pbuh spoke this)

But the reason we all speak Arabic is not to make God happy but for the same reason we face Mecca when we pray... UNITY

That's why I say Islam is a better 'designed' religion. within it there are features that enable it's self propagation within. It creates a culture of sorts that enables people to do certain things at certain times to remind themselves that they are muslims... Do you make prayers in fursa? Do muslims everywhere make prayers in fursa? Coz some versions of Arabic kama Juba Arabic are so different that Fursa speakers get nothing! ama bora inaitwa Kiarabu - you are good to go? Did people at the coast pray in swahili at the turn of the 19th century (as it was written in arabic script) ?

Arabic is the language with the largest number of speakers in Africa and the most widespread. Arabic has borrowed and given many words in many regions.

yeah.... but what has that got to do with the question raised? my question is...
do people make prayers in Fursa (classical arabic) or in whatever dialect of arabic that is spoken in their area! Egyptian Arabic is different from Saudi/Yemeni Arabic. Tunisian arabic is different still. When you come south - Juba Arabic is very different from classical arabic - I guess the same will be said about Arabic in Zanzibar and as far south as Comoros...

Muslim prayer is done in ANCIENT (classical) Arabic. All Muslims whether in Egypt or Saudia or Kenya or South Africa or America etc, all Muslims pray using CLASSICAL Arabic.

When people study Arabic, we study STANDARD Arabic, because ancient Arabic has complex grammar.

But you can make PERSONAL dua/prayer in any language you want e.g. Kalenjin, Luhyia, Kisii, Kikuyu, Kamba etc. Also, each of the Arabic countries have their own dialect of Arabic.
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#23 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:09:55 PM
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Uram
#24 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:16:15 PM
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Walikuwa wanapiga saitani mawe
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#25 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:26:38 PM
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Uram wrote:


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masukuma
#26 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:41:25 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
majimaji wrote:
masukuma wrote:
guru267 wrote:

The languages of God's revelation is Syriac(Abraham pbuh spoke this). This language gave birth to Hebrew (Moses pbuh spoke this, Aramaic (Jesus pbuh spoke this) and Arabic (Muhammad pbuh spoke this)

But the reason we all speak Arabic is not to make God happy but for the same reason we face Mecca when we pray... UNITY

That's why I say Islam is a better 'designed' religion. within it there are features that enable it's self propagation within. It creates a culture of sorts that enables people to do certain things at certain times to remind themselves that they are muslims... Do you make prayers in fursa? Do muslims everywhere make prayers in fursa? Coz some versions of Arabic kama Juba Arabic are so different that Fursa speakers get nothing! ama bora inaitwa Kiarabu - you are good to go? Did people at the coast pray in swahili at the turn of the 19th century (as it was written in arabic script) ?

Arabic is the language with the largest number of speakers in Africa and the most widespread. Arabic has borrowed and given many words in many regions.

yeah.... but what has that got to do with the question raised? my question is...
do people make prayers in Fursa (classical arabic) or in whatever dialect of arabic that is spoken in their area! Egyptian Arabic is different from Saudi/Yemeni Arabic. Tunisian arabic is different still. When you come south - Juba Arabic is very different from classical arabic - I guess the same will be said about Arabic in Zanzibar and as far south as Comoros...

Muslim prayer is done in ANCIENT (classical) Arabic. All Muslims whether in Egypt or Saudia or Kenya or South Africa or America etc, all Muslims pray using CLASSICAL Arabic.

When people study Arabic, we study STANDARD Arabic, because ancient Arabic has complex grammar.

But you can make PERSONAL dua/prayer in any language you want e.g. Kalenjin, Luhyia, Kisii, Kikuyu, Kamba etc. Also, each of the Arabic countries have their own dialect of Arabic.

So it's kinda a prerequistite to learn arabic before becoming an effective muslim ama? because if you don't the non personal prayers would be like chants right? it would mean that it's likely most people don't really understand the words they are chanting coz it's in deep complex ancient arabic.
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#27 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:45:06 PM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
majimaji wrote:
masukuma wrote:
guru267 wrote:

The languages of God's revelation is Syriac(Abraham pbuh spoke this). This language gave birth to Hebrew (Moses pbuh spoke this, Aramaic (Jesus pbuh spoke this) and Arabic (Muhammad pbuh spoke this)

But the reason we all speak Arabic is not to make God happy but for the same reason we face Mecca when we pray... UNITY

That's why I say Islam is a better 'designed' religion. within it there are features that enable it's self propagation within. It creates a culture of sorts that enables people to do certain things at certain times to remind themselves that they are muslims... Do you make prayers in fursa? Do muslims everywhere make prayers in fursa? Coz some versions of Arabic kama Juba Arabic are so different that Fursa speakers get nothing! ama bora inaitwa Kiarabu - you are good to go? Did people at the coast pray in swahili at the turn of the 19th century (as it was written in arabic script) ?

Arabic is the language with the largest number of speakers in Africa and the most widespread. Arabic has borrowed and given many words in many regions.

yeah.... but what has that got to do with the question raised? my question is...
do people make prayers in Fursa (classical arabic) or in whatever dialect of arabic that is spoken in their area! Egyptian Arabic is different from Saudi/Yemeni Arabic. Tunisian arabic is different still. When you come south - Juba Arabic is very different from classical arabic - I guess the same will be said about Arabic in Zanzibar and as far south as Comoros...

Muslim prayer is done in ANCIENT (classical) Arabic. All Muslims whether in Egypt or Saudia or Kenya or South Africa or America etc, all Muslims pray using CLASSICAL Arabic.

When people study Arabic, we study STANDARD Arabic, because ancient Arabic has complex grammar.

But you can make PERSONAL dua/prayer in any language you want e.g. Kalenjin, Luhyia, Kisii, Kikuyu, Kamba etc. Also, each of the Arabic countries have their own dialect of Arabic.

So it's kinda a prerequistite to learn arabic before becoming an effective muslim ama? because if you don't the non personal prayers would be like chants right? it would mean that it's likely most people don't really understand the words they are chanting coz it's in deep complex ancient arabic.


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masukuma
#28 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 4:07:17 PM
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by the way... is it possible to review that devil stoning exercise? since it's counter productive! the devil is there to be stoned each year but not all the stoners manage to survive the stoning. Watu wanalipa fare kubwa halafu wanakufa wakirushia saitan mawe? since saitan is not omnipresent - labda saa hiyo ako Brazil!
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Taurrus
#29 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 4:15:23 PM
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masukuma wrote:
by the way... is it possible to review that devil stoning exercise? since it's counter productive! the devil is there to be stoned each year but not all the stoners manage to survive the stoning. Watu wanalipa fare kubwa halafu wanakufa wakirushia saitan mawe? since saitan is not omnipresent - labda saa hiyo ako Brazil!

Sad too many unnecessary deaths in the muslim world.
Impunity
#30 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 4:29:49 PM
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Taurrus wrote:
masukuma wrote:
by the way... is it possible to review that devil stoning exercise? since it's counter productive! the devil is there to be stoned each year but not all the stoners manage to survive the stoning. Watu wanalipa fare kubwa halafu wanakufa wakirushia saitan mawe? since saitan is not omnipresent - labda saa hiyo ako Brazil!

Sad too many unnecessary deaths in the muslim world.


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