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Rank: Member Joined: 6/14/2010 Posts: 521 Location: Nairobi
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MaichBlack wrote:mlennyma wrote:Interesting year without elaboration is similar to saying nothing.its a wise fence sitting statement.But I can only assume you warn someone of an impending disaster It is worse than saying nothing!!! It will cause unnecessary panic and optimism in equal measures in different quarters. Some people will sell everything so that they are not told they were never warned. Others might decide to buy and be part of the "interesting" year. And come to think of it, buy what??? Will the "interest" be the same for all counters??? I expect better from Jimnah Mbaru. He has spoken like a politician. Not an investment Banker!!! #disappointed. Am also disappointed by the ambiguous sstatement from an Investment Banker. Sounds like the Sell Sell Sell and Buy Buy Buy lingo that we've heard hear from some quarters.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,184 Location: nairobi
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@Aguy I like the way you are cooling the nerves already stretched by a statement.but sir iam just wondering why I should warn you for something good coming. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Aguytrying wrote:When he says it will be 'interesting'
Interesting is a positive word, so I think he means the markets will be positive.
If it was a doom prediction I think he wouldn't say anything or he wouldnt say interesting. Interesting - arousing curiosity or interest; holding or catching the attention. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,467
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sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:KondooEconomist wrote: Discuss Sasa hii ni kuambia watu nini. Zero information in the statement!!! Any of his followers, muweke clarifications here as soon as he gives one. He has WARNED. Warning =danger=red=bear. In a bear market the options are: 1. Sell 75% of your stocks and invest in bonds; or 2. Invest in defensive counters - blue chip banks, communications companies, brewers and tobacco. Question: Why would Jimnah warn people off stocks? He makes money when there is activity in the stock market. The more frequent the activities the better for him. Sell, buy, sell, buy, sell, buy.... not sell and disappear. I might be wrong but maybe he wanted to create the confusion he has managed to create. That way he stirs activity in the market. Whatever activity it doesn't matter. You sell he makes money. Another one buys he makes money. A couple of weeks down the line you realize you should not have sold, you buy back in, he makes more money. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,467
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mlennyma wrote:Next opinion.....mbaru's opinion is not law.markets will mainly follow a global trend but not a country in isolation, before Q1 the writing will be on the wall. Sorry to burst your bubble @mlennyma but Mbaru is not just a random Kenyan. The kind of information, research and analysis manpower, networks, tools etc. he has at his disposal you can't even begin to dream about. Most of us can't even come close. He is the ultimate insider. But having said that even those tools etc. can fail. It is not always 100%. And furthermore we are not sure of his motives. All I'm saying is that I would take Mbaru's CANDID opinion on stocks more seriously than opinions of most other individuals. The same way I would take my doctor's opinion on my health more seriously than the opinion of a friend/relative. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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MaichBlack wrote:mlennyma wrote:Next opinion.....mbaru's opinion is not law.markets will mainly follow a global trend but not a country in isolation, before Q1 the writing will be on the wall. Sorry to burst your bubble @mlennyma but Mbaru is not just a random Kenyan. The kind of information, research and analysis manpower, networks, tools etc. he has at his disposal you can't even begin to dream about. Most of us can't even come close. He is the ultimate insider. But having said that even those tools etc. can fail. It is not always 100%. And furthermore we are not sure of his motives. All I'm saying is that I would take Mbaru's CANDID opinion on stocks more seriously than opinions of most other individuals. The same way I would take my doctor's opinion on my health more seriously than the opinion of a friend/relative. He read this post - www.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=27306Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,184 Location: nairobi
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This man has created a certain level of fear to many who read his tweets whether he is right or wrong. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 4/1/2014 Posts: 47
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Mbaru follows@wazua.he has been a good follower of the Chartists who have been at it since late 2013.ati bearish banks only for the same to turbo boost like never before.he is a johnny come late because even wanjiku suspects or knows that the steeper the hill the deeper the valley beyond.i believe its all in the timing.am also worried by foreigners trade actions as this might be last straw.americans have been more aggressive of late participating more in their markets.a parallel should be drawn as to how oil price crashed and alot of countries were caught pants down.i am also concerned by USA dollar policy as they intend to revalue.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,467
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sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:mlennyma wrote:Next opinion.....mbaru's opinion is not law.markets will mainly follow a global trend but not a country in isolation, before Q1 the writing will be on the wall. Sorry to burst your bubble @mlennyma but Mbaru is not just a random Kenyan. The kind of information, research and analysis manpower, networks, tools etc. he has at his disposal you can't even begin to dream about. Most of us can't even come close. He is the ultimate insider. But having said that even those tools etc. can fail. It is not always 100%. And furthermore we are not sure of his motives. All I'm saying is that I would take Mbaru's CANDID opinion on stocks more seriously than opinions of most other individuals. The same way I would take my doctor's opinion on my health more seriously than the opinion of a friend/relative. He read this post - www.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=27306 Which post? Or you want me to read the whole thread??? Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,134 Location: Nairobi
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KondooEconomist wrote:Discuss It may rain tomorrow. Be warned. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/11/2006 Posts: 2,304
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VituVingiSana wrote:KondooEconomist wrote:Discuss It may rain tomorrow. Be warned. I like this! Similar to what I have been warning in my Elliott Wave thread. Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/16/2009 Posts: 994
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VituVingiSana wrote:KondooEconomist wrote:Discuss It may rain tomorrow. Be warned.  Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:mlennyma wrote:Next opinion.....mbaru's opinion is not law.markets will mainly follow a global trend but not a country in isolation, before Q1 the writing will be on the wall. Sorry to burst your bubble @mlennyma but Mbaru is not just a random Kenyan. The kind of information, research and analysis manpower, networks, tools etc. he has at his disposal you can't even begin to dream about. Most of us can't even come close. He is the ultimate insider. But having said that even those tools etc. can fail. It is not always 100%. And furthermore we are not sure of his motives. All I'm saying is that I would take Mbaru's CANDID opinion on stocks more seriously than opinions of most other individuals. The same way I would take my doctor's opinion on my health more seriously than the opinion of a friend/relative. He read this post - www.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=27306 Which post? Or you want me to read the whole thread??? #1 Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,467
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sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:mlennyma wrote:Next opinion.....mbaru's opinion is not law.markets will mainly follow a global trend but not a country in isolation, before Q1 the writing will be on the wall. Sorry to burst your bubble @mlennyma but Mbaru is not just a random Kenyan. The kind of information, research and analysis manpower, networks, tools etc. he has at his disposal you can't even begin to dream about. Most of us can't even come close. He is the ultimate insider. But having said that even those tools etc. can fail. It is not always 100%. And furthermore we are not sure of his motives. All I'm saying is that I would take Mbaru's CANDID opinion on stocks more seriously than opinions of most other individuals. The same way I would take my doctor's opinion on my health more seriously than the opinion of a friend/relative. He read this post - www.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=27306 Which post? Or you want me to read the whole thread??? #1 I have read. But I am staying in stocks. Actually just finished loading up on Kenya Re last week. Average buying price around 17/=. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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sparkly wrote:Aguytrying wrote:When he says it will be 'interesting'
Interesting is a positive word, so I think he means the markets will be positive.
If it was a doom prediction I think he wouldn't say anything or he wouldnt say interesting. Interesting - arousing curiosity or interest; holding or catching the attention. @sparkly, mlennyma. If I hadn't seen the market trade of a day or a year. and someone told me it was interesting. I would most likely conclude that, there was a very high turnover or the market surged upwards by a significant percentage. I would consider normal/ low turnover and market down not interesting. I totally see how a negative event can be also considered interesting. Let's just hope he isn't a saddist coz then my theory doesn't stand. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:mlennyma wrote:Next opinion.....mbaru's opinion is not law.markets will mainly follow a global trend but not a country in isolation, before Q1 the writing will be on the wall. Sorry to burst your bubble @mlennyma but Mbaru is not just a random Kenyan. The kind of information, research and analysis manpower, networks, tools etc. he has at his disposal you can't even begin to dream about. Most of us can't even come close. He is the ultimate insider. But having said that even those tools etc. can fail. It is not always 100%. And furthermore we are not sure of his motives. All I'm saying is that I would take Mbaru's CANDID opinion on stocks more seriously than opinions of most other individuals. The same way I would take my doctor's opinion on my health more seriously than the opinion of a friend/relative. He read this post - www.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=27306 ha ha. nice one. he must have read it. but they never listen even when in black and white The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,467
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Aguytrying wrote:sparkly wrote:MaichBlack wrote:mlennyma wrote:Next opinion.....mbaru's opinion is not law.markets will mainly follow a global trend but not a country in isolation, before Q1 the writing will be on the wall. Sorry to burst your bubble @mlennyma but Mbaru is not just a random Kenyan. The kind of information, research and analysis manpower, networks, tools etc. he has at his disposal you can't even begin to dream about. Most of us can't even come close. He is the ultimate insider. But having said that even those tools etc. can fail. It is not always 100%. And furthermore we are not sure of his motives. All I'm saying is that I would take Mbaru's CANDID opinion on stocks more seriously than opinions of most other individuals. The same way I would take my doctor's opinion on my health more seriously than the opinion of a friend/relative. He read this post - www.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=27306 ha ha. nice one. he must have read it. but they never listen even when in black and white Stop guessing!!! Read post #54 above. And for your info, I just read the first post. Was not interested in the rest of the discussion given what it was anchored on. The day I start basing my investment decisions on the number of threads started by HELLOs and other people's "I have a feeling...", that will be the day to quit stocks (for me). Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,467
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I have just gone back to that thread to see when it was started. It was started on Saturday, January 04, 2014 4:06:24 PMNow you tell me, for those who took it seriously, was it a good idea to stay of stocks in 2014??? The shares you sold did they fall or rise in price come December 2014?? Tafakari hayo. NB: And I am not talking about the entire market. I am talking about the stocks you held. If you were holding KCB for example, wachana na performance ya KQ and Mumias if you didn't own them in the first place! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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MaichBlack wrote:I have just gone back to that thread to see when it was started. It was started on Saturday, January 04, 2014 4:06:24 PM
Now you tell me, for those who took it seriously, was it a good idea to stay of stocks in 2014??? The shares you sold did they fall or rise in price come December 2014?? Tafakari hayo.
NB: And I am not talking about the entire market. I am talking about the stocks you held. If you were holding KCB for example, wachana na performance ya KQ and Mumias if you didn't own them in the first place! @MaichBlack look at the chart below (Courtesy @Mnandii in the Elliott post). You can see that if you bought your stocks in 2012/3 around the point labelled B the rise was swift and sweet. After late 2013/early 2014 the market is just trading sideways without any definitive UP or DOWN movement.  Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/12/2014 Posts: 120 Location: Nyali
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MaichBlack wrote:I have just gone back to that thread to see when it was started. It was started on Saturday, January 04, 2014 4:06:24 PM
Now you tell me, for those who took it seriously, was it a good idea to stay of stocks in 2014??? The shares you sold did they fall or rise in price come December 2014?? Tafakari hayo.
NB: And I am not talking about the entire market. I am talking about the stocks you held. If you were holding KCB for example, wachana na performance ya KQ and Mumias if you didn't own them in the first place! Do not be swayed by what people say.Do your research and base your investments mostly on fundamentals and not emotions.I say again trust no one,but your God and instincts.The guys purporting to warn us pocketed millions in 2014.I do not think they would have made that much if they kept off stocks!
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