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Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Peace or Jihad?If a terrorist claims the peaceful verses in the Quran are abrogated by the violent ones and uses that understanding to justify terrorism,is he or is she wrong? If so,can you show me proof from the Quran. I appreciate honesty and candor. I would rather be told with clarity and openness that 'this and so' is the real deal. That is why I have no problems with my sister, Guru267. Others who have fallen for the exoteric are just pawns. Means-to-an-end. Currency. Expendables. @AlphDoti has shown he can be clear and open when it comes to blame and accusations.If he responds,he might extend this issue the same courtesy.
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symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Peace or Jihad?If a terrorist claims the peaceful verses in the Quran are abrogated by the violent ones and uses that understanding to justify terrorism,is he or is she wrong? If so,can you show me proof from the Quran. I appreciate honesty and candor. I would rather be told with clarity and openness that 'this and so' is the real deal. That is why I have no problems with my sister, Guru267. Others who have fallen for the exoteric are just pawns. Means-to-an-end. Currency. Expendables. @AlphDoti has shown he can be clear and open when it comes to blame and accusations.If he responds,he might extend this issue the same courtesy. Let's wait and see.
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symbols wrote:guru267 wrote:Tebes wrote:@Alpha,
There are some purported Muslims who have taken to twitter to spew venom under the hash tag #mombasacitymatyres, promising to drive Kufar (sp) out of mombasa by killing them to revenge the killing of Muslim clerics. What's your take/advice to them? Quran 42: 39-43 wrote:“And those who, when tyranny strikes them, they defend themselves. And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah. Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers. And whoever avenges himself after having been wronged - those have not upon them any cause for blame. The cause is only against the ones who wrong the people and tyrannise upon the earth without right. Those will have a painful punishment. And whoever is patient and forgives is part of those seeking the reward of Allah.” Revenge has no blame but Forgiveness has immeasurable rewards! I must have taken faxe not to see the above, @ Alpha,still waiting, "Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Peace or Jihad?If a terrorist claims the peaceful verses in the Quran are abrogated by the violent ones and uses that understanding to justify terrorism,is he or is she wrong? If so,can you show me proof from the Quran. I appreciate honesty and candor. I would rather be told with clarity and openness that 'this and so' is the real deal. That is why I have no problems with my sister, Guru267. Others who have fallen for the exoteric are just pawns. Means-to-an-end. Currency. Expendables. @AlphDoti has shown he can be clear and open when it comes to blame and accusations.If he responds,he might extend this issue the same courtesy. Let's wait and see. @symbols, the issue of Islam promoting violence or terror is a false image. It is something which I have said many times, that there is a deliberate attempt to distort Islam, brainwash people, conjure up images, to try and motivate people to say "Muslim terrorist". The truth is, somebody with Arabic name, or says Allahu Akbar and commits crimes against the teachings of Islam, then that does not make him a Muslim. It just means he is an impostor Let me give two verses to demonstrate this.(1). As I always say, the discriminate use of violence to make up any political ends in Islam is not supported at all. Check out Chapter 5:32 " ..any one kills a person - unless it be for retaliation - it would be as if he slew the whole people" (2). Quran chapter 2:256 " Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error:" That verse above would be meaningless if Islam is induced by force. Right now in America, people are converting to Islam daily, who is forcing them? And everyone recognizes that Islam is the fastest growing religion today, America and Europe. So if you look at the Quran, you would not find any "violent" verse, rather they may be talking about restoring order or defending oneself or retaliation.
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Peace or Jihad?If a terrorist claims the peaceful verses in the Quran are abrogated by the violent ones and uses that understanding to justify terrorism,is he or is she wrong? If so,can you show me proof from the Quran. I appreciate honesty and candor. I would rather be told with clarity and openness that 'this and so' is the real deal. That is why I have no problems with my sister, Guru267. Others who have fallen for the exoteric are just pawns. Means-to-an-end. Currency. Expendables. @AlphDoti has shown he can be clear and open when it comes to blame and accusations.If he responds,he might extend this issue the same courtesy. Let's wait and see. @symbols, the issue of Islam promoting violence or terror is a false image. It is something which I have said many times, that there is a deliberate attempt to distort Islam, brainwash people, conjure up images, to try and motivate people to say "Muslim terrorist". The truth is, somebody with Arabic name, or says Allahu Akbar and commits crimes against the teachings of Islam, then that does not make him a Muslim. It just means he is an impostor Let me give two verses to demonstrate this.(1). As I always say, the discriminate use of violence to make up any political ends in Islam is not supported at all. Check out Chapter 5:32 " ..any one kills a person - unless it be for retaliation - it would be as if he slew the whole people" (2). Quran chapter 2:256 " Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error:" That verse above would be meaningless if Islam is induced by force. Right now in America, people are converting to Islam daily, who is forcing them? And everyone recognizes that Islam is the fastest growing religion today, America and Europe. So if you look at the Quran, you would not find any "violent" verse, rather they may be talking about restoring order or defending oneself or retaliation. The image of Islam or Muslims is not the issue here.In that aspect there are similarities between you and those you are accusing of "distorting Islam, brainwashing people and conjuring up images". Quran 2:106 wrote:
We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?
Using your examples: 1.The verse you've quoted justifies terrorism in the name of retaliation and it is supposedly a Judaic teaching meant for the Israelites.The next verse,5:33,Muhammad calls for killing,crucifying,maiming and exiling people e.g. those you are accusing? 2.The article address verse 2:256 and it has been abrogated by verses 3:85-6 and 9:73. Using the Quran,can you show the 'impostors' aren't imitating Muhammad and following the teachings of Quran.
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Peace or Jihad?If a terrorist claims the peaceful verses in the Quran are abrogated by the violent ones and uses that understanding to justify terrorism,is he or is she wrong? If so,can you show me proof from the Quran. I appreciate honesty and candor. I would rather be told with clarity and openness that 'this and so' is the real deal. That is why I have no problems with my sister, Guru267. Others who have fallen for the exoteric are just pawns. Means-to-an-end. Currency. Expendables. @AlphDoti has shown he can be clear and open when it comes to blame and accusations.If he responds,he might extend this issue the same courtesy. Let's wait and see. @symbols, the issue of Islam promoting violence or terror is a false image. It is something which I have said many times, that there is a deliberate attempt to distort Islam, brainwash people, conjure up images, to try and motivate people to say "Muslim terrorist". The truth is, somebody with Arabic name, or says Allahu Akbar and commits crimes against the teachings of Islam, then that does not make him a Muslim. It just means he is an impostor Let me give two verses to demonstrate this.(1). As I always say, the discriminate use of violence to make up any political ends in Islam is not supported at all. Check out Chapter 5:32 " ..any one kills a person - unless it be for retaliation - it would be as if he slew the whole people" (2). Quran chapter 2:256 " Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error:" That verse above would be meaningless if Islam is induced by force. Right now in America, people are converting to Islam daily, who is forcing them? And everyone recognizes that Islam is the fastest growing religion today, America and Europe. So if you look at the Quran, you would not find any "violent" verse, rather they may be talking about restoring order or defending oneself or retaliation. The image of Islam or Muslims is not the issue here.In that aspect there are similarities between you and those you are accusing of "distorting Islam, brainwashing people and conjuring up images". Quran 2:106 wrote:
We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?
Using your examples: 1.The verse you've quoted justifies terrorism in the name of retaliation and it is supposedly a Judaic teaching meant for the Israelites.The next verse,5:33,Muhammad calls for killing,crucifying,maiming and exiling people e.g. those you are accusing? 2.The article address verse 2:256 and it has been abrogated by verses 3:85-6 and 9:73. Using the Quran,can you show the 'impostors' aren't imitating Muhammad and following the teachings of Quran. 1. Verse 5:33 does not justify terrorism, rather it prescribes punishment for those causing corruption: a. Kill the persons or b. Crucify the person or b. Cut off the hands and feet or c. Imprison the person or banish It is the law of punishment depending on crime. The verse further say, if they repent then forgiving is best! 2. Verses 3:85 & 9:73 do not abrogate verse 2:256. Verse 2:256 says no compulsion in religion Verse 3:85 says "And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the Losers" Verse 9:73 says "...those disbelieved after believe... So if they repent, it is better for them; but if they turn away, Allah will punish them with a painful punishment in this world and the Hereafter." Where do they abrogate each other? In fact it supports what Bible says: Psalms 5:6 "You destroy those who tell lies; bloodthirsty and deceitful men the LORD abhors." 2 Thessalonians 1:8 "dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power"
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Peace or Jihad?If a terrorist claims the peaceful verses in the Quran are abrogated by the violent ones and uses that understanding to justify terrorism,is he or is she wrong? If so,can you show me proof from the Quran. I appreciate honesty and candor. I would rather be told with clarity and openness that 'this and so' is the real deal. That is why I have no problems with my sister, Guru267. Others who have fallen for the exoteric are just pawns. Means-to-an-end. Currency. Expendables. @AlphDoti has shown he can be clear and open when it comes to blame and accusations.If he responds,he might extend this issue the same courtesy. Let's wait and see. @symbols, the issue of Islam promoting violence or terror is a false image. It is something which I have said many times, that there is a deliberate attempt to distort Islam, brainwash people, conjure up images, to try and motivate people to say "Muslim terrorist". The truth is, somebody with Arabic name, or says Allahu Akbar and commits crimes against the teachings of Islam, then that does not make him a Muslim. It just means he is an impostor Let me give two verses to demonstrate this.(1). As I always say, the discriminate use of violence to make up any political ends in Islam is not supported at all. Check out Chapter 5:32 " ..any one kills a person - unless it be for retaliation - it would be as if he slew the whole people" (2). Quran chapter 2:256 " Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error:" That verse above would be meaningless if Islam is induced by force. Right now in America, people are converting to Islam daily, who is forcing them? And everyone recognizes that Islam is the fastest growing religion today, America and Europe. So if you look at the Quran, you would not find any "violent" verse, rather they may be talking about restoring order or defending oneself or retaliation. The image of Islam or Muslims is not the issue here.In that aspect there are similarities between you and those you are accusing of "distorting Islam, brainwashing people and conjuring up images". Quran 2:106 wrote:
We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?
Using your examples: 1.The verse you've quoted justifies terrorism in the name of retaliation and it is supposedly a Judaic teaching meant for the Israelites.The next verse,5:33,Muhammad calls for killing,crucifying,maiming and exiling people e.g. those you are accusing? 2.The article address verse 2:256 and it has been abrogated by verses 3:85-6 and 9:73. Using the Quran,can you show the 'impostors' aren't imitating Muhammad and following the teachings of Quran. 1. Verse 5:33 does not justify terrorism, rather it prescribes punishment for those causing corruption: a. Kill the persons or b. Crucify the person or b. Cut off the hands and feet or c. Imprison the person or banish It is the law of punishment depending on crime. The verse further say, if they repent then forgiving is best! 2. Verses 3:85 & 9:73 do not abrogate verse 2:256. Verse 2:256 says no compulsion in religion Verse 3:85 says "And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the Losers" Verse 9:73 says "...those disbelieved after believe... So if they repent, it is better for them; but if they turn away, Allah will punish them with a painful punishment in this world and the Hereafter." Where do they abrogate each other? In fact it supports what Bible says: Psalms 5:6 "You destroy those who tell lies; bloodthirsty and deceitful men the LORD abhors." 2 Thessalonians 1:8 "dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power" 1.Verse 5:33 specifies two things: waging war and corruption/mischief. a.Waging war - Does this apply to those you call the "enemies of Islam"? b.Corruption/mischief - From verses 7:103 and 7:127,mischief and corruption can be defined as rejecting Islam or actions that cause a Muslim to abandon Allah. Imprisonment is not part of the 'punishment' included in the verse.To repent in verse 5:34 means converting to Islam! 2.Verse 2:256 says there is no compulsion in religion but verse 3:85 says no other religion will be accepted except Islam. What you are quoting is verse 9:74 and repentance means converting to Islam! Verse 9:73 abrogates verses 2:256 and 3:85 and it is offensive in nature. The Quran abrogates previous scriptures e.g. Jesus' message of love your enemy is to be substituted with Muhammad's messages.Quoting the Bible which the Quran considers to be corrupted and abrogated is illogical and irrelevant to this discussion. In short,I am asking you to show the Quran teaches peace.
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Peace or Jihad?If a terrorist claims the peaceful verses in the Quran are abrogated by the violent ones and uses that understanding to justify terrorism,is he or is she wrong? If so,can you show me proof from the Quran. I appreciate honesty and candor. I would rather be told with clarity and openness that 'this and so' is the real deal. That is why I have no problems with my sister, Guru267. Others who have fallen for the exoteric are just pawns. Means-to-an-end. Currency. Expendables. @AlphDoti has shown he can be clear and open when it comes to blame and accusations.If he responds,he might extend this issue the same courtesy. Let's wait and see. @symbols, the issue of Islam promoting violence or terror is a false image. It is something which I have said many times, that there is a deliberate attempt to distort Islam, brainwash people, conjure up images, to try and motivate people to say "Muslim terrorist". The truth is, somebody with Arabic name, or says Allahu Akbar and commits crimes against the teachings of Islam, then that does not make him a Muslim. It just means he is an impostor Let me give two verses to demonstrate this.(1). As I always say, the discriminate use of violence to make up any political ends in Islam is not supported at all. Check out Chapter 5:32 " ..any one kills a person - unless it be for retaliation - it would be as if he slew the whole people" (2). Quran chapter 2:256 " Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error:" That verse above would be meaningless if Islam is induced by force. Right now in America, people are converting to Islam daily, who is forcing them? And everyone recognizes that Islam is the fastest growing religion today, America and Europe. So if you look at the Quran, you would not find any "violent" verse, rather they may be talking about restoring order or defending oneself or retaliation. The image of Islam or Muslims is not the issue here.In that aspect there are similarities between you and those you are accusing of "distorting Islam, brainwashing people and conjuring up images". Quran 2:106 wrote:
We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?
Using your examples: 1.The verse you've quoted justifies terrorism in the name of retaliation and it is supposedly a Judaic teaching meant for the Israelites.The next verse,5:33,Muhammad calls for killing,crucifying,maiming and exiling people e.g. those you are accusing? 2.The article address verse 2:256 and it has been abrogated by verses 3:85-6 and 9:73. Using the Quran,can you show the 'impostors' aren't imitating Muhammad and following the teachings of Quran. 1. Verse 5:33 does not justify terrorism, rather it prescribes punishment for those causing corruption: a. Kill the persons or b. Crucify the person or b. Cut off the hands and feet or c. Imprison the person or banish It is the law of punishment depending on crime. The verse further say, if they repent then forgiving is best! 2. Verses 3:85 & 9:73 do not abrogate verse 2:256. Verse 2:256 says no compulsion in religion Verse 3:85 says "And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the Losers" Verse 9:73 says "...those disbelieved after believe... So if they repent, it is better for them; but if they turn away, Allah will punish them with a painful punishment in this world and the Hereafter." Where do they abrogate each other? In fact it supports what Bible says: Psalms 5:6 "You destroy those who tell lies; bloodthirsty and deceitful men the LORD abhors." 2 Thessalonians 1:8 "dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power" @Alpha, did you just quote the bible?? the one you say is corrupted?? to make matters worse - you even quote Saint Paul, the one you say is anti-Christ? you are such a hypocrite!! Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
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Mo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Peace or Jihad?If a terrorist claims the peaceful verses in the Quran are abrogated by the violent ones and uses that understanding to justify terrorism,is he or is she wrong? If so,can you show me proof from the Quran. I appreciate honesty and candor. I would rather be told with clarity and openness that 'this and so' is the real deal. That is why I have no problems with my sister, Guru267. Others who have fallen for the exoteric are just pawns. Means-to-an-end. Currency. Expendables. @AlphDoti has shown he can be clear and open when it comes to blame and accusations.If he responds,he might extend this issue the same courtesy. Let's wait and see. @symbols, the issue of Islam promoting violence or terror is a false image. It is something which I have said many times, that there is a deliberate attempt to distort Islam, brainwash people, conjure up images, to try and motivate people to say "Muslim terrorist". The truth is, somebody with Arabic name, or says Allahu Akbar and commits crimes against the teachings of Islam, then that does not make him a Muslim. It just means he is an impostor Let me give two verses to demonstrate this.(1). As I always say, the discriminate use of violence to make up any political ends in Islam is not supported at all. Check out Chapter 5:32 " ..any one kills a person - unless it be for retaliation - it would be as if he slew the whole people" (2). Quran chapter 2:256 " Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error:" That verse above would be meaningless if Islam is induced by force. Right now in America, people are converting to Islam daily, who is forcing them? And everyone recognizes that Islam is the fastest growing religion today, America and Europe. So if you look at the Quran, you would not find any "violent" verse, rather they may be talking about restoring order or defending oneself or retaliation. The image of Islam or Muslims is not the issue here.In that aspect there are similarities between you and those you are accusing of "distorting Islam, brainwashing people and conjuring up images". Quran 2:106 wrote:
We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?
Using your examples: 1.The verse you've quoted justifies terrorism in the name of retaliation and it is supposedly a Judaic teaching meant for the Israelites.The next verse,5:33,Muhammad calls for killing,crucifying,maiming and exiling people e.g. those you are accusing? 2.The article address verse 2:256 and it has been abrogated by verses 3:85-6 and 9:73. Using the Quran,can you show the 'impostors' aren't imitating Muhammad and following the teachings of Quran. 1. Verse 5:33 does not justify terrorism, rather it prescribes punishment for those causing corruption: a. Kill the persons or b. Crucify the person or b. Cut off the hands and feet or c. Imprison the person or banish It is the law of punishment depending on crime. The verse further say, if they repent then forgiving is best! 2. Verses 3:85 & 9:73 do not abrogate verse 2:256. Verse 2:256 says no compulsion in religion Verse 3:85 says "And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the Losers" Verse 9:73 says "...those disbelieved after believe... So if they repent, it is better for them; but if they turn away, Allah will punish them with a painful punishment in this world and the Hereafter." Where do they abrogate each other? In fact it supports what Bible says: Psalms 5:6 "You destroy those who tell lies; bloodthirsty and deceitful men the LORD abhors." 2 Thessalonians 1:8 "dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power" @Alpha, did you just quote the bible?? the one you say is corrupted?? to make matters worse - you even quote Saint Paul, the one you say is anti-Christ? you are such a hypocrite!! @Mo, stick to the debate. But if you want, we can go to "Other religious Discourse" thread and debate Paul. You see, Paul preached some good things too. After all he studied the old scripture e.g. Psalms 79:6 "Pour out Your wrath upon the nations which do not know You, And upon the kingdoms which do not call upon Your name." And besides, I believe in the Gospel of Jesus (peace be upon him). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus! So this verse is good: 2 Thessalonians 1:8 "...obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus"
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@alpha, enough with the spins, can you now answer @symbols question without quoting the bible? ie can you please answer the question from what the koran teaches? symbols wrote:
1.Verse 5:33 specifies two things: waging war and corruption/mischief.
a.Waging war - Does this apply to those you call the "enemies of Islam"?
b.Corruption/mischief - From verses 7:103 and 7:127,mischief and corruption can be defined as rejecting Islam or actions that cause a Muslim to abandon Allah.
Imprisonment is not part of the 'punishment' included in the verse.To repent in verse 5:34 means converting to Islam!
2.Verse 2:256 says there is no compulsion in religion but verse 3:85 says no other religion will be accepted except Islam.
What you are quoting is verse 9:74 and repentance means converting to Islam! Verse 9:73 abrogates verses 2:256 and 3:85 and it is offensive in nature.
The Quran abrogates previous scriptures e.g. Jesus' message of love your enemy is to be substituted with Muhammad's messages.Quoting the Bible which the Quran considers to be corrupted and abrogated is illogical and irrelevant to this discussion.
In short,I am asking you to show the Quran teaches peace.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
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Mo wrote:@alpha, enough with the spins, can you now answer @symbols question without quoting the bible? ie can you please answer the question from what the koran teaches? symbols wrote:
1.Verse 5:33 specifies two things: waging war and corruption/mischief.
a.Waging war - Does this apply to those you call the "enemies of Islam"?
b.Corruption/mischief - From verses 7:103 and 7:127,mischief and corruption can be defined as rejecting Islam or actions that cause a Muslim to abandon Allah.
Imprisonment is not part of the 'punishment' included in the verse.To repent in verse 5:34 means converting to Islam!
2.Verse 2:256 says there is no compulsion in religion but verse 3:85 says no other religion will be accepted except Islam.
What you are quoting is verse 9:74 and repentance means converting to Islam! Verse 9:73 abrogates verses 2:256 and 3:85 and it is offensive in nature.
The Quran abrogates previous scriptures e.g. Jesus' message of love your enemy is to be substituted with Muhammad's messages.Quoting the Bible which the Quran considers to be corrupted and abrogated is illogical and irrelevant to this discussion.
In short,I am asking you to show the Quran teaches peace.
@mo, go to my post #46 and tell me why you want me to "stop quoting the Bible"
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I am not always anti-Alphdoti 
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Can't stop laughing, ati Al-phadoti Wazuan Islamic scholar. can anyone confirm the picture. 
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