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kysse wrote:@ Alba, where can one get EPO.Want to boost my endurance in swimming- no competition, only personal.
I see these mizingus do over 10 rounds start to end in an Olympic sized pool without getting tired or breaking.
How I envy them. In Kenya, EPO is being provided by unscrupulous agents. At least according to Kipchoge. Besides that, I have no clue where they get EPO or other PEDs.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Alba wrote:Yaani Alma most of what you said went above my head. I did not understand anything except Veve. Hata google search was not much help.
Anyway Rita Jeptoo did not use Veve, Mwarubaini or any legal drug. She used performance enhancing drugs specifically EPO which artificially boosts your endurance.
What Kipchoge is saying is what I have said all along with regard to any crime. Recently there was stripping madness in Kenya. Now that people are getting harsh sentences the number of stripping incidents has come down. I said the same thing about hooligans. If you toss some of them in prison, these hooligans will behave.
I am now saying the same thing with regard to doping. In the USA, top athletes have gone to prison. In Kenya they need to target suppliers. Make Rita Jeptoo talk and tell the police who gave her illegal drugs. All those involved should face sentences or if they are foreign agents, they should be banned from coming back to Kenya. If Rita Jeptoo refuses to talk then toss her in prison.
People's livelihoods are at stake. At this rate they will stop inviting Kenyans to major road races. yet these Kenyan runners feed entire extended families, pay school fees for relatives and employ hundreds. @alba, I agree with you here. It's the same thing I've always said about dealing with hooligans. " As for thieves, both male and female, cut off their hands as recompense for their deeds and exemplary punishment.." Of course, it is not just applied to anybody, under any circumstance, any time. It should be applied in a court of law, after witness, proof of guilt. Because someone breaking into a home, or robs a bank or shooting a motorist etc, is not something out of temptation. Turn this into a law, ad what you will find is that, when the law is applied, you find the society rate of theft drops drastically. Because it creates a sense of security within a society. NOTE: Don't turn this into religion please. I'm just giving my 2cents in what can stop these corruptions. This will now inflame and derail what was an otherwise sober thread on doping. @AlphDoti, it is not a must that you talk, especially if there is nothing worthwhile that you are contributing. @quicksand, are you prefect to decide who talks and who does not in this thread? I say doping offense should have high penalty. I say the same should be extended to all other offenses and crime too. I say this will discourage crimes, and will create a better society. If that is derailing, then you've something else you're not saying. No, I am not prefect, but knowing when to talk and when to shut up is a matter of intelligence and also of wisdom. A closed mouth gathers no foot. @quicksand, if you're used to bullying your colleagues, I want to tell I’m sick of you acting like a prefect. We know bullies are cowards inwardly, without others fearing them, they are nothing  I will leave you with this quote:"There is overwhelming evidence that the higher the level of self-esteem, the more likely one will be to treat others with respect, kindness, and generosity.” by Nathaniel Branden
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,723
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Is doping really cheating? Is what Rita Jeptoo did the same as if she took a taxi to get ahead of the other athletes and win her marathons? For a different take on these questions read Malcolm Gladwell's article below. http://www.newyorker.com.../09/09/man-and-superman
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Kusadikika wrote:Is doping really cheating? Is what Rita Jeptoo did the same as if she took a taxi to get ahead of the other athletes and win her marathons? For a different take on these questions read Malcolm Gladwell's article below. http://www.newyorker.com.../09/09/man-and-superman
It is cheating man.... the ever present threat of punishment and official limits of what normal human levels of say hermatocrit (and other factors) are -are important. If all the science was allowed the fans would become jaded....it would be competition against labs and not athletics anymore.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/22/2010 Posts: 40 Location: kenya
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As someone said in another thread, life isn't fair. Guys in the states have better training facilities, coaching, kit...etc A runner in Kenya e.g, has added advantage due to longer exposure to high altitude training....
How do we determine what's unfair "advantage" over someone else while clearly factors such as environment, science, genes...etc can give someone an edge?
I say its a progressive world. Allow doping and we get to see how human minds can stretch the limits of science and human evolution through innovation...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,723
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mwariama wrote:As someone said in another thread, life isn't fair. Guys in the states have better training facilities, coaching, kit...etc A runner in Kenya e.g, has added advantage due to longer exposure to high altitude training....
How do we determine what's unfair "advantage" over someone else while clearly factors such as environment, science, genes...etc can give someone an edge?
I say its a progressive world. Allow doping and we get to see how human minds can stretch the limits of science and human evolution through innovation... My thoughts exactly. Wacha kila mtu akunywe ile anakunywanga or smoke whatever each smokes, let them use whatever means to achieve their highest potential and then let them meet in the field and may the best win. It happens in every sphere of life, you take your kids to the best schools, you feed them well, you take them to church to mold them into the best they can possibly be to give them an edge over the others...... Its life, may the best win..... In Rita Jeptoo's case she trained just as hard and still ran the 42 km, she never took a taxi. If she used something artificial to get the same endurance that Mary Keitany gets naturally is like the average performing Nairobi kid who got extra private tuition to get the same high KCPE grade as a naturally bright kid from Komothai DEB primary school.....
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/29/2010 Posts: 679 Location: nairobi
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quicksand wrote:Kusadikika wrote:Is doping really cheating? Is what Rita Jeptoo did the same as if she took a taxi to get ahead of the other athletes and win her marathons? For a different take on these questions read Malcolm Gladwell's article below. http://www.newyorker.com.../09/09/man-and-superman
It is cheating man.... the ever present threat of punishment and official limits of what normal human levels of say hermatocrit (and other factors) are -are important. If all the science was allowed the fans would become jaded....it would be competition against labs and not athletics anymore. why weren't fans jaded in the 60s and 70s when testing didn't exist? why do fans of sports that dont drug test like bodybuilding and power lifting get jaded?
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/29/2010 Posts: 679 Location: nairobi
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Kusadikika wrote:mwariama wrote:As someone said in another thread, life isn't fair. Guys in the states have better training facilities, coaching, kit...etc A runner in Kenya e.g, has added advantage due to longer exposure to high altitude training....
How do we determine what's unfair "advantage" over someone else while clearly factors such as environment, science, genes...etc can give someone an edge?
I say its a progressive world. Allow doping and we get to see how human minds can stretch the limits of science and human evolution through innovation... My thoughts exactly. Wacha kila mtu akunywe ile anakunywanga or smoke whatever each smokes, let them use whatever means to achieve their highest potential and then let them meet in the field and may the best win. It happens in every sphere of life, you take your kids to the best schools, you feed them well, you take them to church to mold them into the best they can possibly be to give them an edge over the others...... Its life, may the best win..... In Rita Jeptoo's case she trained just as hard and still ran the 42 km, she never took a taxi. If she used something artificial to get the same endurance that Mary Keitany gets naturally is like the average performing Nairobi kid who got extra private tuition to get the same high KCPE grade as a naturally bright kid from Komothai DEB primary school..... both excellent points now if it as easy as taking a pill and one becomes a champ then why isn't the world full of athletes? as Gladwell says "Elite sports is a contest among athletes with an uneven set of genetic endowments and natural advantages." ...at the top level what makes a difference is training and ability to recover, thats what PEDs give you, they only help you stay in the game, they dont turn a loser into a champ on your point about academia, i fully agree infact students in the states use a drug known as aderall to improve focus while studying, seems like everyone is allowed an edge apart from athletes
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/29/2010 Posts: 679 Location: nairobi
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Kusadikika wrote:Is doping really cheating? Is what Rita Jeptoo did the same as if she took a taxi to get ahead of the other athletes and win her marathons? For a different take on these questions read Malcolm Gladwell's article below. http://www.newyorker.com.../09/09/man-and-superman
this is a fantastic article
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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kizee1 wrote:
why weren't fans jaded in the 60s and 70s when testing didn't exist? why do fans of sports that dont drug test like bodybuilding and power lifting get jaded?
Two things 1. In the 1970s, testing for PEDs was virtually non-existent. So fans were not sure that doping was widespread. There were some suspicions about East Germany but nothing was ever confirmed. 2. Body building and weightlifting do not have many fans. So they have nothing to lose. When was the last time you saw a large crowd at an in country weightlifting contest? If a sport already has a low number of fans, it has nothing to lose. In any case I am sure you know that weightlifters are drug tested at the Olympics and other contests. Wasn't there a Naija female weightlifetr who was busted for doping at the commonwealth games?
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