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murchr
#21 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:28:30 PM
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tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
maka wrote:
This is a very good thread,sadly input will be almost zero...a question i asked in the markets section which I believe @Murchr answered but not exhaustively...why does the govt allow business men to import almost everything?Why do we import clothes,yet we can grow our own cotton nd have our own textile industry,why we import tomato paste and pasta,yet we grow tomatoes and wheat which can be used to make the two...Our economic policies are all twisted...govt after govt doesn't address this vicious cycle that must be addressed thoroughly and in depth...The US is a great entrepreneurial country,something we must emulate to help raise our standard of living...


Am glad you brought it up again. We need a serious paradigm shift if we are to create employment and grow this economy. First, policy should change. Kibaki tried to ban second hand furniture in GOK offices but am sure some smuggle in mitumbas and brand them Kenyan. Sadly these mitumbas take away dollars to other economies and employ low cadre employees.

Can you imagine we dont even make underwear - yes the boxers, vests, bras even baby clothes, are all imported. What we make here(the jeans at EPZ) is almost always exported to other economies because we cant afford the finished product. I understand rivertex is up running, what do they make? We have an opportunity now the county govs can create a market by asking hospitals to source bedsheets and blankets from Rivatex, that should ignite some productivity which will improve efficiency.

Leather - I have never seen a more carnivorous people than Kenyans, yaani we cant process leather? We have a "mido" crass that is obsessed with posh seats and everything classy, these imported faux leather seats go at the same price that real leather seats go for overseas why not jump into this opportunity?

Do we need popcorn eggs from SA oranges from Israel, Wine from SA and Carlifornia yet grapes are rotting in our firms?


How many blankets and sheets can the government buy, and at what price, in order to keep rivatex alive? Would that be economically efficient?

Something related; why do some people go to India for treatment when there are doctors and similar services in Kenya?

How are Chinese or Japanese products faring against American products in America?


How about we start with where do GOK hospitals source their bedding from then we go from there.

People go to india because its cheaper to get treated there because there are enough specialists - some things even GOK cant control

Use the internet to get the answer of your last question. Start with "Made in America" campaign

@alma we are talking about employment creation, not job seekers. You dont need a degree to tan leather or cut and stitch a piece of cloth to make underwear
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AlphDoti
#22 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:36:20 PM
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tycho wrote:
Wendz wrote:
Muriel wrote:


I was just about to mention something about capitalism when I saw brother mention a 'rethinking of economic model'.

Capitalism. Profit, profit, profit.

Most, if not all of us, are hardcore capitalists.

You are right... but we cant be worse than the west and the east.... Capitalism is good if it helps grow our economies and create employment.

Capitalism is for the few, not for governments and the unemployed masses.

The issue is about wealth distribution.

That is the number one economic problem is the system. There is need to change the system.

You see capitalist says: "make money the way you want". The capitalist system, gives unconditional rights to an individual. Take Compound interest for example, when you can't pay a loan, it keeps increasing with no mercy!! Shame on you Shame on you

That is why the gap between the rich and the poor keeps increasing.

Capitalist says wealth is ONLY distributed to factors of production these are:
1. Interest to the investor/entrepreneur.
2. Wages to the labourer
3. Rent to the Land owner.

Now the big question
What about the poor person who didn't take part in production? What about the poor youth who has no job? What about the poor cripple who has no hands or legs? What about the sick poor person?

THE POOR PERSON IS LEFT OUT IN THE EQUATION.

Look at alternative systems
1. For example Islamic economic system. There are rights for everyone. First, the Primary right for those who take part in production i.e. investor, worker, and landlord. Secondly, the Secondary right for those did not take part in production, and this is the Poor man.

2. For example the Socialist system. Nobody owns.

So Islamic system in between. It gives right to all, individual and society. It allows business and ownership of property, but on a reasonable basis, not the level of the greedy politicians in Capitalist system!

That is why @guru always says:
- if you are Muslim, then you give 2.5% Zakat
- if you are not Muslim, then you give 2.5% as tax.

And this is 2.5% of what remains after expenses. Not what you earn! Applause Applause

If you compare this with 30% we are taxed by non-Islamic countries, it is crazy!
tycho
#23 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:39:16 PM
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murchr wrote:
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
maka wrote:
This is a very good thread,sadly input will be almost zero...a question i asked in the markets section which I believe @Murchr answered but not exhaustively...why does the govt allow business men to import almost everything?Why do we import clothes,yet we can grow our own cotton nd have our own textile industry,why we import tomato paste and pasta,yet we grow tomatoes and wheat which can be used to make the two...Our economic policies are all twisted...govt after govt doesn't address this vicious cycle that must be addressed thoroughly and in depth...The US is a great entrepreneurial country,something we must emulate to help raise our standard of living...


Am glad you brought it up again. We need a serious paradigm shift if we are to create employment and grow this economy. First, policy should change. Kibaki tried to ban second hand furniture in GOK offices but am sure some smuggle in mitumbas and brand them Kenyan. Sadly these mitumbas take away dollars to other economies and employ low cadre employees.

Can you imagine we dont even make underwear - yes the boxers, vests, bras even baby clothes, are all imported. What we make here(the jeans at EPZ) is almost always exported to other economies because we cant afford the finished product. I understand rivertex is up running, what do they make? We have an opportunity now the county govs can create a market by asking hospitals to source bedsheets and blankets from Rivatex, that should ignite some productivity which will improve efficiency.

Leather - I have never seen a more carnivorous people than Kenyans, yaani we cant process leather? We have a "mido" crass that is obsessed with posh seats and everything classy, these imported faux leather seats go at the same price that real leather seats go for overseas why not jump into this opportunity?

Do we need popcorn eggs from SA oranges from Israel, Wine from SA and Carlifornia yet grapes are rotting in our firms?


How many blankets and sheets can the government buy, and at what price, in order to keep rivatex alive? Would that be economically efficient?

Something related; why do some people go to India for treatment when there are doctors and similar services in Kenya?

How are Chinese or Japanese products faring against American products in America?


How about we start with where do GOK hospitals source their bedding from then we go from there.

People go to india because its cheaper to get treated there because there are enough specialists - some things even GOK cant control

Use the internet to get the answer of your last question

@alma we are talking about employment creation, not job seekers. You dont need a degree to tan leather or cut and stitch a piece of cloth to make underwear


You haven't answered any question here, and the government control you're talking about doesn't exist any more.

Okay here's what I got from my Googling http://useconomy.about.c...omy/p/China_Economy.htm

Ah! https://news.vice.com/ar...made-in-america-campaign
alma
#24 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:41:45 PM
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I agree with you murchr on the issue of not needing a degree to succeed.

But here the subject is THOUGHT leadership.

When we have a gov't going around talking about creating jobs which basically means that "I will only employ Kalenjins from my village" then we don't have thought leadership. We have kissing assery.

The reason why India became so good in medical tourism is the gov't took a proactive position. They agreed that their doctors were all in the USA and Uk so why not bring them back with cool policies like no taxation as long as you employ someone.

In Kenya the policy makers are killing the small guy in Kariokor. He has nothing. No credit, no taxation breaks, no infrastructure. NOTHING.

He's called a HUSTLER. It's supposed to be a term of endearment. But its actually a noose around his neck as he watches his corrupt TENDERPRENUERS make all the money.

Though leadership in creating employment is Gov't policy. It was last seen in Moi's gov't.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
FRM2011
#25 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:42:13 PM
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I asked a simple question a while ago.

We have our own omo and sunlight brands, but they are currently trailing Procter & Gamble's Ariel. Manufactured in Egypt.

Wazua ladies told me omo is not kind to their hands.

Then someone is complaining the way Unilever no longer employs people like it used to when it was EAI. After buying Ariel "kwa mwosho mmoja tu".

I think the mindset change will have to come before import substitution.
alma
#26 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:50:50 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
I asked a simple question a while ago.

We have our own omo and sunlight brands, but they are currently trailing Procter & Gamble's Ariel. Manufactured in Egypt.

Wazua ladies told me omo is not kind to their hands.

Then someone is complaining the way Unilever no longer employs people like it used to when it was EAI. After buying Ariel "kwa mwosho mmoja tu".

I think the mindset change will have to come before import substitution.


Let me tell you a story. It's going to be long.

Someone decided to start a business in Kenya to build batteries. You know batteries are just positive and negative etc.

This someone could not get past go at the bank, at the gov't office even with his parents.

As he was doing that, someone decided to create a stupid website where people share pictures and update what they are doing. The gov't gave him tax breaks, he got a loan and now we have Facebook.

You can have all the ideas of implementation you want. But if there's no one to guide you or help you as you are meandering through the murk of business, you shall fail.

That is why we have Hon. Kambi as Education minister, yet he confesses to having been a maid who can't spell.

He had the structures he needed. Most young Kenyan entreprenuers don't have it.

That's the reason they voted for the "hustler". Kumbe all he did was increase taxes.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
Impunity
#27 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:55:12 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,331
Location: Masada
FRM2011 wrote:
I asked a simple question a while ago.

We have our own omo and sunlight brands, but they are currently trailing Procter & Gamble's Ariel. Manufactured in Egypt.

Wazua ladies told me omo is not kind to their hands.

Then someone is complaining the way Unilever no longer employs people like it used to when it was EAI. After buying Ariel "kwa mwosho mmoja tu".

I think the mindset change will have to come before import substitution.


Is Omo and Sunlight really Kenyan?

I think Jamaa bar soap is Kenyan, I wish Jamaa company could come up with a powder detergent!
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Impunity
#28 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:59:49 PM
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alma wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
I asked a simple question a while ago.

We have our own omo and sunlight brands, but they are currently trailing Procter & Gamble's Ariel. Manufactured in Egypt.

Wazua ladies told me omo is not kind to their hands.

Then someone is complaining the way Unilever no longer employs people like it used to when it was EAI. After buying Ariel "kwa mwosho mmoja tu".

I think the mindset change will have to come before import substitution.


Let me tell you a story. It's going to be long.

Someone decided to start a business in Kenya to build batteries. You know batteries are just positive and negative etc.

This someone could not get past go at the bank, at the gov't office even with his parents.

As he was doing that, someone decided to create a stupid website where people share pictures and update what they are doing. The gov't gave him tax breaks, he got a loan and now we have Facebook.

You can have all the ideas of implementation you want. But if there's no one to guide you or help you as you are meandering through the murk of business, you shall fail.

That is why we have Hon. Kambi as Education minister, yet he confesses to having been a maid who can't spell.

He had the structures he needed. Most young Kenyan entreprenuers don't have it.

That's the reason they voted for the "hustler". Kumbe all he did was increase taxes.


@Kambi is Labor Monister!
smile

But I get your point, the red-tape is too much!
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

FRM2011
#29 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 7:04:22 PM
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Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
Impunity wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
I asked a simple question a while ago.

We have our own omo and sunlight brands, but they are currently trailing Procter & Gamble's Ariel. Manufactured in Egypt.

Wazua ladies told me omo is not kind to their hands.

Then someone is complaining the way Unilever no longer employs people like it used to when it was EAI. After buying Ariel "kwa mwosho mmoja tu".

I think the mindset change will have to come before import substitution.


Is Omo and Sunlight really Kenyan?

I think Jamaa bar soap is Kenyan, I wish Jamaa company could come up with a powder detergent!


@impunity, by Kenyan, I meant the detergents are produced on Kenyan soil by Kenyan workers. If P&G could open a factory in Nairobi, I would support them 100%. Sadly, all their products are sourced from Egypt and they are all market leaders in their respective niches. Ariel, always, pampers. Nktest !
alma
#30 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 7:06:47 PM
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Posts: 4,432
I'm looking right now at a website. Unajua kila mtu na mambo yake.

The website is called Jumia.co.ke

This website was started in Nigeria. Before there was Jumia there was Mama Mikes.

Mama Mikes is a great website but they don't and cannot compete with Jumia. Why? No money.

In the ICT business, a lot of great ideas have died simply because there was no gov't policy such as giving tax breaks to those who invest in start up businesses.. It's happening all over the world.

So now in Kenya we have great entreprenuers online, but they can't do shit.

Nigeria has now overtaken Kenya as the Silicon Savannah. We worked in the meantime very hard to increase taxes accross the board.

We dumped Ndemo to become a newspaper analyst. Can you imagine I said that? I who belives that most of his polices were upus. But he had policies at least.

In the ICT fieled right now in Kenya, who the hell is the Cabinet Secretary in that fieled? i don't even know him.

We are killing entreprenuership with the expectation that gov't will create jobs. The work of gov't is not to create jobs but to give an environment for entreprenuers to succeed so that they can create jobs.

Jumia, OLX, Facebook, Starbucks, KFC, Subways, and soon Walmart are not supposed to be gov't policy. They will kill everyone. But we shall call ourselves......developed.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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