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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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newfarer wrote:saw this:
ﻭَﻟَﻘَﺪْ ﺧَﻠَﻘْﻨَﺎ ﺍﻟْﺈِﻧﺴَﺎﻥَ ﻣِﻦ ﺳُﻠَﺎﻟَﺔٍ ﻣِّﻦ ﻃِﻴﻦٍ
ﺛُﻢَّ ﺟَﻌَﻠْﻨَﺎﻩُ ﻧُﻄْﻔَﺔً ﻓِﻲ ﻗَﺮَﺍﺭٍ ﻣَّﻜِﻴﻦٍ
ﺛُﻢَّ ﺧَﻠَﻘْﻨَﺎ ﺍﻟﻨُّﻄْﻔَﺔَ ﻋَﻠَﻘَﺔً ﻓَﺨَﻠَﻘْﻨَﺎ ﺍﻟْﻌَﻠَﻘَﺔَ ﻣُﻀْﻐَﺔً ﻓَﺨَﻠَﻘْﻨَﺎ
ﺍﻟْﻤُﻀْﻐَﺔَ ﻋِﻈَﺎﻣًﺎ ﻓَﻜَﺴَﻮْﻧَﺎ ﺍﻟْﻌِﻈَﺎﻡَ ﻟَﺤْﻤًﺎ ﺛُﻢَّ ﺃَﻧﺸَﺄْﻧَﺎﻩُ ﺧَﻠْﻘًﺎ
ﺁﺧَﺮَ ﻓَﺘَﺒَﺎﺭَﻙَ ﺍﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﺃَﺣْﺴَﻦُ ﺍﻟْﺨَﺎﻟِﻘِﻴﻦَ
“Verily We created man from a product of wet
earth; then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a
safe lodging; then We fashioned the drop into a
clot, then We fashioned the clot into a little
lump, then We fashioned the little lump into
bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and
then produced it another creation. So blessed be
Allah, the Best of Creators !” [23:12-14]
alpha explain the WE...part in reference to Trinity "We" that God uses has never meant Trinity! This a symbol of power! The Messiah said in Mark 12:29 "This is the most important commandment; Listen, O Israel! The Lord OUR God is ONE!" Notice how the Messiah says "Our God"!! This verse should show Christians that Jesus will never be God and Trinity talk is simply poppycock  Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,504 Location: Uganda
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guru I am not satisfied that we means power. We is the plural of I. but some issues are out of our understanding alpha your take please punda amecheka
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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newfarer wrote:guru I am not satisfied
that we means power www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_weLearn something new! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Misconceptions about Islam. 
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:@muriel, no problem get stuck in juicy propagandas and refuse to see sense. We will share with you the "exposae" then when somebody courageous enough will expose these Super Power and you will go  Unfortunately, you'll be busy cheering on another "false flag". You think the caliphate is juicy propaganda???!!!! (at least its 'juicy'). All along I knew you are a murtad. You will see! Just wait! Even the little girls are joining the caliphate to partake the juice of pure Islamic holiness and you, a grown man, can only call it propaganda? From within the relative safety of Kenya? Anyway, please do share the exposé and while you are here, can we continue our discussion on the Qur'an? Or are you busy with the false flag exposé?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@muriel, no problem get stuck in juicy propagandas and refuse to see sense. We will share with you the "exposae" then when somebody courageous enough will expose these Super Power and you will go Unfortunately, you'll be busy cheering on another "false flag". You think the caliphate is juicy propaganda???!!!! (at least its 'juicy'). All along I knew you are a murtad. You will see! Just wait! Even the little girls are joining the caliphate to partake the juice of pure Islamic holiness and you, a grown man, can only call it propaganda? From within the relative safety of Kenya? Anyway, please do share the exposé and while you are here, can we continue our discussion on the Qur'an? Or are you busy with the false flag exposé? @muriel, let us discuss comparative issues, because when it come to your attitude on world conflicts, I put that aside. You talk about things you have little knowledge about... "Oh murtad", "oh Muslim", yet you don't really know the meaning. Your attack on a form of religious belief is too simplified and ignorant of world affairs. And demonization of Muslims as a whole makes your response discriminative. Why do I say this? Your assertion that war in Middle East or twin-tower bombing or ISIS is caused by religion was ridiculous. It may look like it, but it may not be. So you're rushing into conclusion too fast. You need to read more about these kind of politics, and you will find that while some participants happily shout the name of God (allegedly), religion has nothing to do with these wars. These wars have to do more with economic and political collapse than religion or ancient hatred. Why? Take Israel-Palestinian conflict for example, these people lived peacefully for those years. But now? So I tell you most of these things are propaganda, and I will say it from the relative safety of my country Kenya. Whether you like it or not Kenya is my country. I pay tax, some of my kin are in the military defending the country (even from outside the country). Some of my kin are in important functions of this country, participating nation building. And I participate in what I participate in to build the country. Don't think the country is yours. And don't think the country only belongs to Christians. If you think so, then you're naive and discriminative.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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"The Holy Prophet (PBUH) said,
'The last day will not come until Prayers
will be neglected, carnal desires will be
pursued, transgressors will become
leaders, it will not be possible to
distinguish the faithful from the false,
telling lies will become desirable,
payment of Zakah will be taken as a
burden, the believer will be deemed the
most disgraceful. Rain will fall out of season. Males will commit adultery with males, and
females with females. Women will
dominate. The offspring will disobey
their parents, friend will treat his friend
badly, sins will be taken lightly. Mosques
will have external decorations and
beauty and there will be worshippers
too but there will be hypocrisy and
mutual enmity in their hearts. Then will
appear a people from the West who will
dominate the weak among my people.
People will produce copies of the Holy
Quran in letters of gold but will not act
upon it. Usury will become
rampant. Human blood will have no
value, religion will have no helpers.
Singing women will be on the increase.
The rich will perform the Hajjas as a
pastime, the people of the middle class
will do so to conduct business and the
poor to beg for charity."Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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guru267 wrote:"The Holy Prophet (PBUH) said,
'The last day will not come until Prayers
will be neglected, carnal desires will be
pursued, transgressors will become
leaders, it will not be possible to
distinguish the faithful from the false,
telling lies will become desirable,
payment of Zakah will be taken as a
burden, the believer will be deemed the
most disgraceful. Rain will fall out of season. Males will commit adultery with males, and
females with females. Women will
dominate. The offspring will disobey
their parents, friend will treat his friend
badly, sins will be taken lightly. Mosques
will have external decorations and
beauty and there will be worshippers
too but there will be hypocrisy and
mutual enmity in their hearts. Then will
appear a people from the West who will
dominate the weak among my people.
People will produce copies of the Holy
Quran in letters of gold but will not act
upon it. Usury will become
rampant. Human blood will have no
value, religion will have no helpers.
Singing women will be on the increase.
The rich will perform the Hajjas as a
pastime, the people of the middle class
will do so to conduct business and the
poor to beg for charity." La ilaha illahah! Good to hear from you Things and beings can't do! Allah Alone does all things with no help from anything. Nobody can harm unless Allah wishes. Sunnah of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the only lifestyle that gives you succees in this world and hereafter. Any other lifestyle (mohok, kusag, pombe, drugs, prostitution, fornication, mpangos...) will give you loss in this world and hereafter!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@symbols my comments? If you want to know about Islam, ask a Muslim who knows his/her deen. Don't ask Maina Kageni or other so-called Muslim experts. That Internet site has been done by critics of Islam, non-Muslims. The Quran has laid down the principles. They don't change, no modification. Hadiths (popularly known as Sunnah) are the words, actions and approvals of the prophet Muhammad (peace & mercy of Allah be upon him). Get it clearly here, so that no one should cheat you. The hadiths/sunnah are the words of prophet. The foundation Quran. These words and actions are in agreement with the Quran. They are in agreement with science, reason and reflection. Hadiths are explanation to the Quran. So the Quran is used together with the Hadiths. Sawa? Understood?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:@symbols my comments? If you want to know about Islam, ask a Muslim who knows his/her deen. Don't ask Maina Kageni or other so-called Muslim experts. That Internet site has been done by critics of Islam, non-Muslims. The Quran has laid down the principles. They don't change, no modification. Hadiths (popularly known as Sunnah) are the words, actions and approvals of the prophet Muhammad (peace & mercy of Allah be upon him). Get it clearly here, so that no one should cheat you. The hadiths/sunnah are the words of prophet. The foundation Quran. These words and actions are in agreement with the Quran. They are in agreement with science, reason and reflection. Hadiths are explanation to the Quran. So the Quran is used together with the Hadiths. Sawa? Understood? If the website is criticizing Islam,then the Qur'an is criticizing Islam.Allah is criticizing Islam! The Quran refutes the hadiths/sunnah.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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Insanity on both sides of this debate. The creator of the universe pitting one part of his creation against another. Insane.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Mtu Biz wrote:Insanity on both sides of this debate.
The creator of the universe pitting one part of his creation against another.
Insane. Mtu Biz I do not seek or promote common ground between religions and faiths. I am not party to inter-faith dialogue. Please encumber me not given that I have high regard of you as I make the point that I do not regard "different faiths one God" highly.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:
@muriel, let us discuss comparative issues, because when it come to your attitude on world conflicts, I put that aside. You talk about things you have little knowledge about... "Oh murtad", "oh Muslim", yet you don't really know the meaning.
Your attack on a form of religious belief is too simplified and ignorant of world affairs. And demonization of Muslims as a whole makes your response discriminative.
Why do I say this? Your assertion that war in Middle East or twin-tower bombing or ISIS is caused by religion was ridiculous. It may look like it, but it may not be. So you're rushing into conclusion too fast.
You need to read more about these kind of politics, and you will find that while some participants happily shout the name of God (allegedly), religion has nothing to do with these wars.
These wars have to do more with economic and political collapse than religion or ancient hatred. Why? Take Israel-Palestinian conflict for example, these people lived peacefully for those years. But now?
So I tell you most of these things are propaganda, and I will say it from the relative safety of my country Kenya. Whether you like it or not Kenya is my country. I pay tax, some of my kin are in the military defending the country (even from outside the country). Some of my kin are in important functions of this country, participating nation building. And I participate in what I participate in to build the country. Don't think the country is yours. And don't think the country only belongs to Christians. If you think so, then you're naive and discriminative.
Alphdoti, I am sorry if I have come across as demonizing Muslims. I thought I was fixing you only as an individual. I am sorry. Please forgive me. I hence will not discuss politics with you. I want to discuss doctrine only with you. You can explore the political angle with another Wazuan. I want to explore Mohammed, Allah and the Qur'an and the 'salvation' of the boy. I want to revert back to doctrine as interpreted by Muslims (including the Islamic State) and Mohammed of Abraham, the boy, the fine sheep and Allah. Quote:37:107 And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice. That is going to be my theme text.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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Muriel wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:Insanity on both sides of this debate.
The creator of the universe pitting one part of his creation against another.
Insane. Mtu Biz I do not seek or promote common ground between religions and faiths. I am not party to inter-faith dialogue. Please encumber me not given that I have high regard of you as I make the point that I do not regard "different faiths one God" highly. You have reffered to yourself five times. My post has nothing to do with you.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Mtu Biz wrote:Muriel wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:Insanity on both sides of this debate.
The creator of the universe pitting one part of his creation against another.
Insane. Mtu Biz I do not seek or promote common ground between religions and faiths. I am not party to inter-faith dialogue. Please encumber me not given that I have high regard of you as I make the point that I do not regard "different faiths one God" highly. You have reffered to yourself five times. My post has nothing to do with you. Oh! Accept my apologies to you, kind sir!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel, why not 'different faiths one God'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
@muriel, let us discuss comparative issues, because when it come to your attitude on world conflicts, I put that aside. You talk about things you have little knowledge about... "Oh murtad", "oh Muslim", yet you don't really know the meaning.
Your attack on a form of religious belief is too simplified and ignorant of world affairs. And demonization of Muslims as a whole makes your response discriminative.
Why do I say this? Your assertion that war in Middle East or twin-tower bombing or ISIS is caused by religion was ridiculous. It may look like it, but it may not be. So you're rushing into conclusion too fast.
You need to read more about these kind of politics, and you will find that while some participants happily shout the name of God (allegedly), religion has nothing to do with these wars.
These wars have to do more with economic and political collapse than religion or ancient hatred. Why? Take Israel-Palestinian conflict for example, these people lived peacefully for those years. But now?
So I tell you most of these things are propaganda, and I will say it from the relative safety of my country Kenya. Whether you like it or not Kenya is my country. I pay tax, some of my kin are in the military defending the country (even from outside the country). Some of my kin are in important functions of this country, participating nation building. And I participate in what I participate in to build the country. Don't think the country is yours. And don't think the country only belongs to Christians. If you think so, then you're naive and discriminative.
Alphdoti, I am sorry if I have come across as demonizing Muslims. I thought I was fixing you only as an individual. I am sorry. Please forgive me. I hence will not discuss politics with you. I want to discuss doctrine only with you. You can explore the political angle with another Wazuan. I want to explore Mohammed, Allah and the Qur'an and the 'salvation' of the boy. I want to revert back to doctrine as interpreted by Muslims (including the Islamic State) and Mohammed of Abraham, the boy, the fine sheep and Allah. Quote:37:107 And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice. That is going to be my theme text. @muriel, no problem brother. I just wanted to let you know that sometimes what you see happening in the world has more to it than you are told. So please be aware of " False flag terrorism", which are staged operations conducted by governments, or corporations designed to deceive the public. The government forces pretend to be a targeted enemy while attacking their own forces or people. Then the attack is then falsely blamed on the enemy in order to justify going to war against that enemy. Otherwise, I'm ready for the discussion of your theme.
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