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AlphDoti wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:
Atheism can only be embraced by faith, not science.
@mtu biz you cannot convince an atheist that he should only have faith. This is someone who has been thinking. This is someone who has been using his brain. He has seen illogical information, inaccurate stuff. He is not emotional. An atheist has refused to belief that a creator can walk on the earth and you can hear his footsteps, and this creator cannot be able to see his creation hiding in a bush. He refuses to belief that Creator can have a wife, can have sex, and bear (beget) a child! You misunderstood me. What i'm saying is this. 'Belief' in atheism is the biggest leap of faith anyone can take. We are surrounded by overwhelming evidence of intelligent design and purpose in nature and the universe. For anyone to then conclude that there is no designer... takes quite the leap of 'faith'.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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Swenani wrote:[quote=MKWASI]???
May God rescue his soul.
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Can you believe in God without going through any religion.?
Sometimes I get confused by these religions
I always believe in doing good and believing in God but I do not trust these religions.
We need to separate God from religion
This was the case till the mzungu and his partner the arab came calling. Back to our God!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/6/2009 Posts: 98
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I found Fr Wamugunda's take on Atheism in the Sunday Nation refreshing.
There are theoretical and practical atheists.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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Msa Liti wrote:I found Fr Wamugunda's take on Atheism in the Sunday Nation refreshing.
There are theoretical and practical atheists. Let me look for it. Lord, thank you!
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Euge wrote:Msa Liti wrote:I found Fr Wamugunda's take on Atheism in the Sunday Nation refreshing.
There are theoretical and practical atheists. Let me look for it. http://www.nation.co.ke/...8/-/xbb8hx/-/index.html
So most of the self confessed "christians" and "muslims" are practical atheists!!! That is a very true sad fact If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Swenani wrote:@Alphadoti Do you believe in the science evolution(big bang theory) or the creation of universe?(Please use faith,science and logical to justify you answer)
Now if you were to reason do you still believe in your theory? @swenani, yes, the Quran describes the Big Bang and the common origin of all space and matter. IMPORTANT: But don't take that Quran is a science text book, but it mentions many scientific facts. And it mentions these facts long before they were discovered. So it mention the creation of universe through the Big Bang. Quran chapter 21:30 says: have not those who disbelieve know that the heavens and earth were both JOINED, then we TORE them apart. One scientist said: Quote:when you look out at the universe and look at the other distant galaxies, you see that they are all fleeing away from us, that they are all moving outward at huge velocities. You exrapolate like that all the way back, you see that one time, maybe 13 or 14 billion years ago, everything that there was must have been compressed into ONE inconceivable dense POINT. Then something happened triggering the most colossal explosion in history. The explosion created the entire universe. THE BIG BANG. So in summary this Quranic verse states 2 scientifically accurate facts about the creation of universe through the Big Bang: 1. the common origin of all space and matter ( ..the heavens and the earth were both JOINED) 2. the violent SEPARATION that created all the matter in the universe ( ... then We TORE them apart)
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AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:@Alphadoti Do you believe in the science evolution(big bang theory) or the creation of universe?(Please use faith,science and logical to justify you answer)
Now if you were to reason do you still believe in your theory? @swenani, yes, the Quran describes the Big Bang and the common origin of all space and matter. IMPORTANT: But don't take that Quran is a science text book, but it mentions many scientific facts. And it mentions these facts long before they were discovered. So it mention the creation of universe through the Big Bang. Quran chapter 21:30 says: have not those who disbelieve know that the heavens and earth were both JOINED, then we TORE them apart. One scientist said: Quote:when you look out at the universe and look at the other distant galaxies, you see that they are all fleeing away from us, that they are all moving outward at huge velocities. You exrapolate like that all the way back, you see that one time, maybe 13 or 14 billion years ago, everything that there was must have been compressed into ONE inconceivable dense POINT. Then something happened triggering the most colossal explosion in history. The explosion created the entire universe. THE BIG BANG. So in summary this Quranic verse states 2 scientifically accurate facts about the creation of universe through the Big Bang: 1. the common origin of all space and matter ( ..the heavens and the earth were both JOINED) 2. the violent SEPARATION that created all the matter in the universe ( ... then We TORE them apart) @Alphadoti, You havent answered my question.I have highlighted for you above. The big bhang theory and the creation of the universe theory can and will never be compatible If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Swenani wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:@Alphadoti Do you believe in the science evolution(big bang theory) or the creation of universe?(Please use faith,science and logical to justify you answer)
Now if you were to reason do you still believe in your theory? @swenani, yes, the Quran describes the Big Bang and the common origin of all space and matter. IMPORTANT: But don't take that Quran is a science text book, but it mentions many scientific facts. And it mentions these facts long before they were discovered. So it mention the creation of universe through the Big Bang. Quran chapter 21:30 says: have not those who disbelieve know that the heavens and earth were both JOINED, then we TORE them apart. One scientist said: Quote:when you look out at the universe and look at the other distant galaxies, you see that they are all fleeing away from us, that they are all moving outward at huge velocities. You exrapolate like that all the way back, you see that one time, maybe 13 or 14 billion years ago, everything that there was must have been compressed into ONE inconceivable dense POINT. Then something happened triggering the most colossal explosion in history. The explosion created the entire universe. THE BIG BANG. So in summary this Quranic verse states 2 scientifically accurate facts about the creation of universe through the Big Bang: 1. the common origin of all space and matter ( ..the heavens and the earth were both JOINED) 2. the violent SEPARATION that created all the matter in the universe ( ... then We TORE them apart) @Alphadoti, You havent answered my question.I have highlighted for you above. The big bhang theory and the creation of the universe theory can and will never be compatible @swenani, I believe in the creation. And the creation happen by the Big Bang. Now let us ask ourselves these questions:1. did the universe come from nowhere? 2. did it come from nothing? 3. do you think the universe created themselves? The answer if very obvious NO. Of course it was not from nothing.- 'No'-thing cannot produce 'some'-thing. - You must have something to produce something - So did universe just came up from nowhere along the lifetime of the space? Of course no. So did the universe create itself? Is it possible?- No way, because to create itself, it has not to exist. - But if it didn't exist, how could it create itself? Remember you cannot create something from nothing. Then it means something created it. So I believe that the tiny inconceivable dense POINT contained all the FORMULA to expand into the universe we have today. Just like microscopic cell has all the formula ( DNA) to become a complex human body and mind that works perfectly by itself. So there was a formula put in the code at the point of BIG BANG, then with the command of the designer, the formula/code/"DNA" grew into the complex perfectly organized bodies of the universe that we see today. So I believe in this creation. It is not a theory to me. It is real. Because it has been confirmed by the Quran. But it is scientific too because you one cannot destroy or create matter.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:@Alphadoti Do you believe in the science evolution(big bang theory) or the creation of universe?(Please use faith,science and logical to justify you answer)
Now if you were to reason do you still believe in your theory? @swenani, yes, the Quran describes the Big Bang and the common origin of all space and matter. IMPORTANT: But don't take that Quran is a science text book, but it mentions many scientific facts. And it mentions these facts long before they were discovered. So it mention the creation of universe through the Big Bang. Quran chapter 21:30 says: have not those who disbelieve know that the heavens and earth were both JOINED, then we TORE them apart. One scientist said: Quote:when you look out at the universe and look at the other distant galaxies, you see that they are all fleeing away from us, that they are all moving outward at huge velocities. You exrapolate like that all the way back, you see that one time, maybe 13 or 14 billion years ago, everything that there was must have been compressed into ONE inconceivable dense POINT. Then something happened triggering the most colossal explosion in history. The explosion created the entire universe. THE BIG BANG. So in summary this Quranic verse states 2 scientifically accurate facts about the creation of universe through the Big Bang: 1. the common origin of all space and matter ( ..the heavens and the earth were both JOINED) 2. the violent SEPARATION that created all the matter in the universe ( ... then We TORE them apart) @Alphadoti, You havent answered my question.I have highlighted for you above. The big bhang theory and the creation of the universe theory can and will never be compatible @swenani, I believe in the creation. And the creation happen by the Big Bang. Now let us ask ourselves these questions:1. did the universe come from nowhere? 2. did it come from nothing? 3. do you think the universe created themselves? The answer if very obvious NO. Of course it was not from nothing.- 'No'-thing cannot produce 'some'-thing. - You must have something to produce something - So did universe just came up from nowhere along the lifetime of the space? Of course no. So did the universe create itself? Is it possible?- No way, because to create itself, it has not to exist. - But if it didn't exist, how could it create itself? Remember you cannot create something from nothing. Then it means something created it. So I believe that the tiny inconceivable dense POINT contained all the FORMULA to expand into the universe we have today. Just like microscopic cell has all the formula ( DNA) to become a complex human body and mind that works perfectly by itself. So there was a formula put in the code at the point of BIG BANG, then with the command of the designer, the formula/code/"DNA" grew into the complex perfectly organized bodies of the universe that we see today. So I believe in this creation. It is not a theory to me. It is real. Because it has been confirmed by the Quran. But it is scientific too because you one cannot destroy or create matter. Can a formula create itself out of nothing?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:@Alphadoti Do you believe in the science evolution(big bang theory) or the creation of universe?(Please use faith,science and logical to justify you answer)
Now if you were to reason do you still believe in your theory? @swenani, yes, the Quran describes the Big Bang and the common origin of all space and matter. IMPORTANT: But don't take that Quran is a science text book, but it mentions many scientific facts. And it mentions these facts long before they were discovered. So it mention the creation of universe through the Big Bang. Quran chapter 21:30 says: have not those who disbelieve know that the heavens and earth were both JOINED, then we TORE them apart. One scientist said: Quote:when you look out at the universe and look at the other distant galaxies, you see that they are all fleeing away from us, that they are all moving outward at huge velocities. You exrapolate like that all the way back, you see that one time, maybe 13 or 14 billion years ago, everything that there was must have been compressed into ONE inconceivable dense POINT. Then something happened triggering the most colossal explosion in history. The explosion created the entire universe. THE BIG BANG. So in summary this Quranic verse states 2 scientifically accurate facts about the creation of universe through the Big Bang: 1. the common origin of all space and matter ( ..the heavens and the earth were both JOINED) 2. the violent SEPARATION that created all the matter in the universe ( ... then We TORE them apart) @Alphadoti, You havent answered my question.I have highlighted for you above. The big bhang theory and the creation of the universe theory can and will never be compatible @swenani, I believe in the creation. And the creation happen by the Big Bang. Now let us ask ourselves these questions:1. did the universe come from nowhere? 2. did it come from nothing? 3. do you think the universe created themselves? The answer if very obvious NO. Of course it was not from nothing.- 'No'-thing cannot produce 'some'-thing. - You must have something to produce something - So did universe just came up from nowhere along the lifetime of the space? Of course no. So did the universe create itself? Is it possible?- No way, because to create itself, it has not to exist. - But if it didn't exist, how could it create itself? Remember you cannot create something from nothing. Then it means something created it. So I believe that the tiny inconceivable dense POINT contained all the FORMULA to expand into the universe we have today. Just like microscopic cell has all the formula ( DNA) to become a complex human body and mind that works perfectly by itself. So there was a formula put in the code at the point of BIG BANG, then with the command of the designer, the formula/code/"DNA" grew into the complex perfectly organized bodies of the universe that we see today. So I believe in this creation. It is not a theory to me. It is real. Because it has been confirmed by the Quran. But it is scientific too because you one cannot destroy or create matter. Can a formula create itself out of nothing No of course not. Is it logical to say that formula is created/designed/produced by a designer?
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