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If they will have the proper learning material/facility, hire qualified staff/faculty and train qualified individuals, I dont see what the problem is. I thought people take the UON parallel program? I heard that USIU too will start offering MED too the Jordan foundation was building the university hospital..don know if the project is ongoing. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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C+ is the cut off mark for University entry.However due to limited spaces selection was based on ones scoring. With the openning up of the education sector, more universities are coming up thus openning up for more students.This means the C+s that would remain out there are now able to join a University of choice and also a course of choice. This C+s are the same ones who get admission in Unis outside kenya, train and come back to treat us yet I do not hear any complaint about them.The many Indian docs do a superb job and the entry points remain equivalent to our C+ in their private medical schools. At the end of the day when we have more med schools it shall be good for Kenya healthcare as we shall have more docs at our disposal. What we should be focusing on is the quality of training that shall be offered not opposing even before they start. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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jguru wrote:Which hospital is MKU using for training medical students? With the billions they have so far charged in fees, do they plan to build their own teaching hospital or their grandiose plan is to use Thika Level 5 Hospital to teach undergraduate medicine and surgery for 6 years? The Medical Board declined to register medical students from Kenyatta University, the same might happen to MKU, Egerton, KEMU and Maseno who recently started teaching medicine. It's all about the 500k+ in school fees that parallel medicine students pay for tuition. Nothing about churning quality well-trained doctors.  @jguru....They intend to use the Thika Level 5.They are already in the process of upgrading the facility.Wards and mortuary. Rumour has it the trainers will be from US and India. As for the Med Board.......they knew the mentioned Unis were offerring the courses, so why not stop them before they enroll students instead of waiting for them to train then deny them registration? Trust me eventually they will have to register them so long as they are qualified. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Bigchick wrote:jguru wrote:Which hospital is MKU using for training medical students? With the billions they have so far charged in fees, do they plan to build their own teaching hospital or their grandiose plan is to use Thika Level 5 Hospital to teach undergraduate medicine and surgery for 6 years? The Medical Board declined to register medical students from Kenyatta University, the same might happen to MKU, Egerton, KEMU and Maseno who recently started teaching medicine. It's all about the 500k+ in school fees that parallel medicine students pay for tuition. Nothing about churning quality well-trained doctors. @jguru....They intend to use the Thika Level 5.They are already in the process of upgrading the facility.Wards and mortuary. Rumour has it the trainers will be from US and India. As for the Med Board.......they knew the mentioned Unis were offerring the courses, so why not stop them before they enroll students instead of waiting for them to train then deny them registration? Trust me eventually they will have to register them so long as they are qualified. The engineers board learnt the hard way... RINKQuote:The Engineers Registration Board of Kenya has been directed by the High court to pay ten thousand university graduates Sh200,000 each for failing to register engineering graduates from the Egerton and Masinde Muliro Universities.
Justice David Majanja gave the ruling ending a row between ERB and the affected universities. The Higher Education Ministry and Commission for Higher Education were enjoined in the case that saw the graduates denied recognition by the professional engineering board.
“The graduates have done no wrong, they had a legitimate expectation that upon completion of their degrees, they will be registered and look for employment. This right has been breached by the ERB which declined to register then,” said Majanja in his ruling.
The judge proceeded to award each affected student a sum of Sh200,000 for loss of opportunity to secure employment as a result of the tussle with ERB.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/24/2013 Posts: 185 Location: Diaspora
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Kenya has a serious shortage fo doctors, so I think MKU starting a medical school is a good thing. It is obvious they are doing it for the money but hey, it's not a charity that they're running.
Where we fail is in regulation of standards at universities. In an ideal world, the Commission for University Education and the Medical Board would ensure that medical graduates from different universities had comparable training. In this way, a patient would feel in safe hands regardless of where the doctor trained.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/1/2008 Posts: 834
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kiterunner wrote:mawinder wrote:jaggernaut wrote:The Clown wrote:jguru wrote:Which hospital is MKU using for training medical students? With the billions they have so far charged in fees, do they plan to build their own teaching hospital or their grandiose plan is to use Thika Level 5 Hospital to teach undergraduate medicine and surgery for 6 years? The Medical Board declined to register medical students from Kenyatta University, the same might happen to MKU, Egerton, KEMU and Maseno who recently started teaching medicine.It's all about the 500k+ in school fees that parallel medicine students pay for tuition. Nothing about churning quality well-trained doctors. This is where I disagree with our professional registration boards. Why should they wait for a university to launch a course and admit students before denying registration to the students? On top of this, the medical board's website lists KU medical school as an approved medical training institution but MKU's isn't anywhere to be seen. RINK I have seen that maseno, jkuat, egerton, kemu are approved. Also Uzima university. So where is this Uzima, coz i have never heard of it? I would rather be trated by a clinical officer from |KMTC than such fellows. I think this is a very good development for Kenya. The shortage for docotrs and other trained medical personnel is acute. One of the problems is the misplaced assumption that only A+ students can hack it in medical school and make good doctors. The fact is medicine as a whole is learnt by experience (apprenticeship) after medical school that is why a CO from KMTC who had a C- and 10 years expereince in a good hospital may treat you better than your A+ fresh graduate from med school. In my opinion for the few doctors we have to stop seeing themselves as demi-gods, students with less accomplished qualifications have to enroll and beat them at it. FYI I know a parallel student that enrolled 2012 with B plain at UoN I hope in future every county will turn their main public hospital into a referral and teaching hospital so as to fill the gap of required medical professionals not just for Kenya but the world a la Philippines There is no shortage! They get trained, they dont get paid, they run to greener pastures....same old same old.... We will keep having 'shortages' til Jesus comes back if we dont pay them, claiming its a 'callin' If you are going to be thinking only one thing, you might as well be thinking big. -Donald J . Trump
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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About 5-6 years ago kenya graduated about 400 doctors per year (Moi and UoN), in 6 years time Kenya will be graduating 2000 to 3000 (Maseno, Egerton, KU, Kisii, UoN, Uzima, MKU, KEMU, ?JKUAT, Agha Khan etc) medics per year. A good number of them will leave the country for greener pastures (read diaspora remittance), some will join the skeleton of a health service in Kenya (public and private), health facilities with medical schools will offer better facilities as they upgrade to train more doctors, the 'genius' doctor myth will be busted, the doctor patient ratio will improve,...... (FYI even above average Americans study medicine abroad where its cheaper and go home to be registered ie SA, Philippines, India) I only see positives in this development. A good number of the MDGs are health related and it does not take a rocket scientist to see people as Gacharu are making the Kenyan dream real My former classmate at undergrad who was discontinued went to Tz and trained to be a doc and he now practices in Nairobi :), so bwana poundfoolish, they are already among us the dreaded C students. Why do you think KPMDU is so 'activist' now? Take a guess our goals are best achieved indirectly
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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I do not see any problem as long as the university has the professors to teach, has the facilities, and is certified by the commission for higher education and the doctors body. Prof Stanley Waudo, the VC, who is formerly of UoN, seems to be steering the uni very well. They recently recruited 100 professors which is a good move to strengthen the human resource. I also remember someone saying that they have better pay than public unis and so have been able to attract quality staff. The Star: Mt Kenya university staff boost
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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I don't see what the big deal is here, the general GP at Nairobi Hospital will google your symptoms then send you for exploratory tests to determine whether the infection is fungal or bacterial and at the same time fatten the hospitals bank account. They then give you medicine as above. If you are not cured, they refer you to a specialist. Anyone can do that? Good work MKU, let the noisemakers keep talking. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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kiterunner wrote:About 5-6 years ago kenya graduated about 400 doctors per year (Moi and UoN), in 6 years time Kenya will be graduating 2000 to 3000 (Maseno, Egerton, KU, Kisii, UoN, Uzima, MKU, KEMU, ?JKUAT, Agha Khan etc) medics per year. A good number of them will leave the country for greener pastures (read diaspora remittance), some will join the skeleton of a health service in Kenya (public and private), health facilities with medical schools will offer better facilities as they upgrade to train more doctors, the 'genius' doctor myth will be busted, the doctor patient ratio will improve,......
(FYI even above average Americans study medicine abroad where its cheaper and go home to be registered ie SA, Philippines, India)
I only see positives in this development.
A good number of the MDGs are health related and it does not take a rocket scientist to see people as Gacharu are making the Kenyan dream real
My former classmate at undergrad who was discontinued went to Tz and trained to be a doc and he now practices in Nairobi :), so bwana poundfoolish, they are already among us the dreaded C students. Why do you think KPMDU is so 'activist' now? Take a guess is your main problem the nos. or the quality... If you only knew how many effing times some of my siblings have been misdiagonised by these so called doctors... nkt!!!! and when you go to the next one.. he tells you how bad the last one did.. and the next says the same of the previous guy.. I am not against MKU starting a med school.. but in a country where docs are in shory supply, lecturers in shorter supply.. from what end are they trying to solve this problem...? tryzex?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:I don't see what the big deal is here, the general GP at Nairobi Hospital will google your symptoms then send you for exploratory tests to determine whether the infection is fungal or bacterial and at the same time fatten the hospitals bank account.
They then give you medicine as above. If you are not cured, they refer you to a specialist.
Anyone can do that?
Good work MKU, let the noisemakers keep talking. Exactly, they are all the same even at Mater. Took a patient there and after tests and over Kshs. 9,000 in bills, they referred (booked) the patient to a specialist who has to be paid another 2,600/= before he can prescribe. Then you buy the drugs from their pharmacy. Let MKU invest and train Doctors and other Medics. UoN, Uzima and Egerton Graduates will soon be no different if they invest heavily on facilities plus of course google.  "Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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poundfoolish wrote:kiterunner wrote:About 5-6 years ago kenya graduated about 400 doctors per year (Moi and UoN), in 6 years time Kenya will be graduating 2000 to 3000 (Maseno, Egerton, KU, Kisii, UoN, Uzima, MKU, KEMU, ?JKUAT, Agha Khan etc) medics per year. A good number of them will leave the country for greener pastures (read diaspora remittance), some will join the skeleton of a health service in Kenya (public and private), health facilities with medical schools will offer better facilities as they upgrade to train more doctors, the 'genius' doctor myth will be busted, the doctor patient ratio will improve,......
(FYI even above average Americans study medicine abroad where its cheaper and go home to be registered ie SA, Philippines, India)
I only see positives in this development.
A good number of the MDGs are health related and it does not take a rocket scientist to see people as Gacharu are making the Kenyan dream real
My former classmate at undergrad who was discontinued went to Tz and trained to be a doc and he now practices in Nairobi :), so bwana poundfoolish, they are already among us the dreaded C students. Why do you think KPMDU is so 'activist' now? Take a guess is your main problem the nos. or the quality... If you only knew how many effing times some of my siblings have been misdiagonised by these so called doctors... nkt!!!! and when you go to the next one.. he tells you how bad the last one did.. and the next says the same of the previous guy.. I am not against MKU starting a med school.. but in a country where docs are in shory supply, lecturers in shorter supply.. from what end are they trying to solve this problem...? tryzex? you will find that the training of the few docs we have is very poor (including UoN) compared to developed countries mostly due to facilities. But on the other hand very few people get to see doctors leading to madness like Loliondo. So I welcome anyone anyone that will increase the number of kenyans that can access some form of medical attention. I agree with you that quality needs to be improved. We need a critical mass of well trained specialized doctors and MKU among others are contributing to this our goals are best achieved indirectly
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poundfoolish wrote:kiterunner wrote:About 5-6 years ago kenya graduated about 400 doctors per year (Moi and UoN), in 6 years time Kenya will be graduating 2000 to 3000 (Maseno, Egerton, KU, Kisii, UoN, Uzima, MKU, KEMU, ?JKUAT, Agha Khan etc) medics per year. A good number of them will leave the country for greener pastures (read diaspora remittance), some will join the skeleton of a health service in Kenya (public and private), health facilities with medical schools will offer better facilities as they upgrade to train more doctors, the 'genius' doctor myth will be busted, the doctor patient ratio will improve,......
(FYI even above average Americans study medicine abroad where its cheaper and go home to be registered ie SA, Philippines, India)
I only see positives in this development.
A good number of the MDGs are health related and it does not take a rocket scientist to see people as Gacharu are making the Kenyan dream real
My former classmate at undergrad who was discontinued went to Tz and trained to be a doc and he now practices in Nairobi :), so bwana poundfoolish, they are already among us the dreaded C students. Why do you think KPMDU is so 'activist' now? Take a guess is your main problem the nos. or the quality... If you only knew how many effing times some of my siblings have been misdiagonised by these so called doctors... nkt!!!! and when you go to the next one.. he tells you how bad the last one did.. and the next says the same of the previous guy.. I am not against MKU starting a med school.. but in a country where docs are in shory supply, lecturers in shorter supply.. from what end are they trying to solve this problem...? tryzex? You are forgetting that the same lecturers who train in public unis r mostly the same who train in private. MKU campus near UON is a good example. In fact, some of the trainers put more emphasis at private coz they r better remunarated in sm better/closely supervised. Strathmore could give you some indication. My point therefore is if facilities are provided, trainers will be sorted. If they produce quality products who happens to be future trainers, the trend could be maintained. Therefore, let them start off, the issues will be sorted with time. After all there is no way you can perfect sth unless you start.
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jaggernaut wrote:I do not see any problem as long as the university has the professors to teach, has the facilities, and is certified by the commission for higher education and the doctors body. Prof Stanley Waudo, the VC, who is formerly of UoN, seems to be steering the uni very well. They recently recruited 100 professors which is a good move to strengthen the human resource. I also remember someone saying that they have better pay than public unis and so have been able to attract quality staff. The Star: Mt Kenya university staff boost 100 professors or 100 lecturers / teaching staff?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Clinical officers in our dispensaries are better than the so called docs we see around yet we all know they got Cs so A+ is nothing really...many of these people passed Maths, Bio and Chem but failed in Ksw Hist/Geo etc hence the lower grade. If someone has a passion in medicine then nothing should stop him/her from going after their dream "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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Wazuans should declare their KCSE results before talking of others grades.We all know some like @qooler scored a D plain,while others are beneficiaries of parallel courses,bridging courses and private universities like Kemu,Uzima,Umma etc.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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mawinder wrote:Wazuans should declare their KCSE results before talking of others grades.We all know some like @qooler scored a D plain,while others are beneficiaries of parallel courses,bridging courses and private universities like Kemu,Uzima,Umma etc. @qooler confessed to being NDEE plain?
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/28/2013 Posts: 182
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For Sport wrote:jaggernaut wrote:I do not see any problem as long as the university has the professors to teach, has the facilities, and is certified by the commission for higher education and the doctors body. Prof Stanley Waudo, the VC, who is formerly of UoN, seems to be steering the uni very well. They recently recruited 100 professors which is a good move to strengthen the human resource. I also remember someone saying that they have better pay than public unis and so have been able to attract quality staff. The Star: Mt Kenya university staff boost 100 professors or 100 lecturers / teaching staff? No institution has anything close to 100 professors in Africa(maybe the whole world, I'm yet to confirm that) Man must live!
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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urstill wrote:For Sport wrote:jaggernaut wrote:I do not see any problem as long as the university has the professors to teach, has the facilities, and is certified by the commission for higher education and the doctors body. Prof Stanley Waudo, the VC, who is formerly of UoN, seems to be steering the uni very well. They recently recruited 100 professors which is a good move to strengthen the human resource. I also remember someone saying that they have better pay than public unis and so have been able to attract quality staff. The Star: Mt Kenya university staff boost 100 professors or 100 lecturers / teaching staff? No institution has anything close to 100 professors in Africa(maybe the whole world, I'm yet to confirm that) If you read the article, you will see the breakdown i.e, 20 professors (i suspect including associate profs) and other teaching staff. I think UoN may have over 100 profs, University of Cape Town has many more our goals are best achieved indirectly
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/28/2013 Posts: 182
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kiterunner wrote:urstill wrote:For Sport wrote:jaggernaut wrote:I do not see any problem as long as the university has the professors to teach, has the facilities, and is certified by the commission for higher education and the doctors body. Prof Stanley Waudo, the VC, who is formerly of UoN, seems to be steering the uni very well. They recently recruited 100 professors which is a good move to strengthen the human resource. I also remember someone saying that they have better pay than public unis and so have been able to attract quality staff. The Star: Mt Kenya university staff boost 100 professors or 100 lecturers / teaching staff? No institution has anything close to 100 professors in Africa(maybe the whole world, I'm yet to confirm that) If you read the article, you will see the breakdown i.e, 20 professors (i suspect including associate profs) and other teaching staff. I think UoN may have over 100 profs, University of Cape Town has many more Link? Not very many lecturers have a doctorate degree and those who have very few have completed post-doctoral fellowship, which is a minimum requirement for assistant professorship. I do not even think there is an institution offering post-doctoral fellowship in Africa except for a selected few in SA. PS: Associate professor is a level above assistant one. Man must live!
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