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Who created God?
Njung'e
#21 Posted : Friday, November 01, 2013 10:45:46 AM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly @AlphaDoti had to find a way of fixing his Moha ("phub" whatever that means) in that organogram alongside Abraham and Jesus.....He even has the temerity to refer to John (the baptist) as YahyaSad Pray Laughing out loudly ...what the....!!!
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Mukiri
#22 Posted : Friday, November 01, 2013 10:55:37 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Tommy wrote:
I am who I am. that was from God to Moses. This shows that even adults don't and can't understand God. somethings are mysterious, like God the holy trinity. therefore pray for wisdom to guide your son.

@Tommy sorry but these habit of falling back into mystery and saying just believe is what I always try to refute before people get upset with me. You should question those things that do not make sense.

When we question these things that don't make sense like islam, in the thread 'Its Friday... siku ya msikiti' we are ignored. Imam, ISORAITSad

Proverbs 19:21
AlphDoti
#23 Posted : Friday, November 01, 2013 11:02:03 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly @AlphaDoti had to find a way of fixing his Moha ("phub" whatever that means) in that organogram alongside Abraham and Jesus.....He even has the temerity to refer to John (the baptist) as YahyaSad Pray Laughing out loudly ...what the....!!!

@guka I had already explained why we do this way. Unless you missed my explanation. This is a prayer addressed to God, for the prophets/meesengers have done so much favour to us and to all the mankind. It is favour we cannot repay. We cannot pay the prophets back in any way.
All we can do is the prayer.

We are asked in the Quran to say this. I know you're not asked to do this yourself. So ISORAIT.
seppuku
#24 Posted : Friday, November 01, 2013 11:02:06 AM
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jokes wrote:
That's the question my six year son asked me and i don't have answer to it. So wazuans assist me with good answer, and none of that bible stuff please.


You have to admire the curiosity and inquisitiveness of a mind unencumbered by years of dogma and brainwashing. But it won't be for long. A time is coming when the young man will be asked to pull his Celica out of the highway for his county rep to pass. And he will not ask why.

Quote:
I was born intelligent, education ruined me. - attributed to Einstein, though not in this exact form.
Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
tycho
#25 Posted : Friday, November 01, 2013 12:07:10 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
jokes wrote:
That's the question my six year son asked me and i don't have answer to it. So wazuans assist me with good answer, and none of that bible stuff please.

Evolution. And when you move back in time 'you' realize that 'God' is evolution in itself.

One problem you have to help the young man solve is that of understanding how religious language is structured and how it's used by the human species.

I would like to disprove evolution by @tycho using logic. I know logic is what you want to see, not mere believing.

@tycho, infinite regress is absurd, isn't? You agree that you cannot go back in infinite. Why do I say this?

If you say what caused the cause that caused the universe?
Then next we ask what caused the cause that caused the cause that caused the universe?
Then let's continue, what caused the cause that caused the cause that caused the cause that caused the universe?
Then let's carry on, what caused the cause that caused the cause that caused the cause that caused the cause that caused the universe?

I hope you get the trend? You cannot go back infinitely.


It's curious how you use 'logic'. And much as I get the gist of your argument, I can't help but ask what kind of logic this is. One that's too presumptuous of it's premises perhaps?

For example, could you be presuming that the 'universe' isn't 'infinite'? What does an expanding universe mean? What about 'expanding consciousness? Perhaps you'll deny such 'things'?

What does 'infinity' mean? If it means always having something 'ahead' or 'beyond' then the question of infinite regression shouldn't arise. Or if it arises it has a 'formula' or 'pattern'. Otherwise we'd all have to heed Wittgenstein's warning about speaking when there's nothing to say. Since we are saying we must come with formulae and methods, that also incorporate infinity.

This is crucial when we consider the meaning of the word 'God'. By talking about 'God' humans offer formulae that conform to the finite, and also involve the infinite. Though in our case 'God' is so finite. And therefore 'not God'. That's why you so believe your argument is a proof. It's not.






AlphDoti
#26 Posted : Saturday, November 02, 2013 4:23:36 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
jokes wrote:
That's the question my six year son asked me and i don't have answer to it. So wazuans assist me with good answer, and none of that bible stuff please.

Evolution. And when you move back in time 'you' realize that 'God' is evolution in itself.

One problem you have to help the young man solve is that of understanding how religious language is structured and how it's used by the human species.

I would like to disprove evolution by @tycho using logic. I know logic is what you want to see, not mere believing.

@tycho, infinite regress is absurd, isn't? You agree that you cannot go back in infinite. Why do I say this?

If you say what caused the cause that caused the universe?
Then next we ask what caused the cause that caused the cause that caused the universe?
Then let's continue, what caused the cause that caused the cause that caused the cause that caused the universe?
Then let's carry on, what caused the cause that caused the cause that caused the cause that caused the cause that caused the universe?

I hope you get the trend? You cannot go back infinitely.


It's curious how you use 'logic'. And much as I get the gist of your argument, I can't help but ask what kind of logic this is. One that's too presumptuous of it's premises perhaps?

For example, could you be presuming that the 'universe' isn't 'infinite'? What does an expanding universe mean? What about 'expanding consciousness? Perhaps you'll deny such 'things'?

What does 'infinity' mean? If it means always having something 'ahead' or 'beyond' then the question of infinite regression shouldn't arise. Or if it arises it has a 'formula' or 'pattern'. Otherwise we'd all have to heed Wittgenstein's warning about speaking when there's nothing to say. Since we are saying we must come with formulae and methods, that also incorporate infinity.

This is crucial when we consider the meaning of the word 'God'. By talking about 'God' humans offer formulae that conform to the finite, and also involve the infinite. Though in our case 'God' is so finite. And therefore 'not God'. That's why you so believe your argument is a proof. It's not.

@tycho are you saying you can go back infinity?

Let me give you another example:
Imagine you're KDF soldier at the front. And you want to shoot the RECCE soldier who refused to back-off and vacate Westgate. Let's say in order for you to shoot, you have to ask permission from the KDF soldier behind you. That marine behind yoiu says he has to ask permission too from the one behind him. And the one behind says he has to ask permission too from the one behind him.
And it goes on forver. If that goes on forever, will the first KDF ever shoot?

So in essence to claim who created God or what caused the cause of the universe is equivalent of saying that we don't have a universe.
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