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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Mukiri wrote:
Ezekiel 28:13-15 ~ Lucifer was the ultimate bandleader and worshiper before the throne of God. Till he was cast away. He knows what power there is in praise and worship. It comes as no surprise then that he hates it when people praise and worship.
You were mumbling in his absence now amejitokelezea. Are you sure Lucifer hates it when people praise and worship? Are you sure? Mukiri? Are you?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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I have thought about this and am prepared to let it go and continue posting music. I dont expect anything much anyway, but before that,
Since I understood the Psychology of music I too, like Tycho, again, have clamped down on music I listen to and hear to the extent that at times silence, quietness is the sweetest melody in the light of some 'christian music' 'praise and worship'.
We should guard the senses the eyes, the ears etc lest satan gain victory over them for these are the avenues of the soul.
Yet will I still ask while not expecting answers as we enjoy what we have here, is satan and 'praise and worship' mutually exclusive?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel, many will even chase demons in God's name and still be on the 'wrong side'.
So, you are asking the wrong question.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel, many will even chase demons in God's name and still be on the 'wrong side'.
So, you are asking the wrong question. What can be the right question? That is the right question because One can be on the 'wrong side' whilst 'praising and worshipping' with 'all his heart'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel, many will even chase demons in God's name and still be on the 'wrong side'.
So, you are asking the wrong question. What can be the right question? That is the right question because One can be on the 'wrong side' whilst 'praising and worshipping' with 'all his heart'. Praise and worship, 'with all your heart', is possible only when you are aware of God's presence, and, are in mutually pleasurable relations. Heart isn't just fervor; it's also 'understanding'. Knowledge.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Tycho, the more I share with you the more I see how we see many things the same way. Maybe one day I will know just where our paths diverge.
Of course, 'heart' entails thought, the mind, imagination, intellect, wisdom, awareness, understanding, knowledge. 'With all your heart' definitely implies having all cognizance, mental faculties actively engaged.
Hence my question, if one is really 'thinking' about it, just why can he be 'deceived' and end up chasing demons and 'praising and worshiping'? Why isnt he not using his heart to see he is on the wrong side?
Yet he 'feels' he is on the right side!
I have found out what it is that creates this condition. Hence my clamp down, filtration. The psychology of music.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:Tycho, the more I share with you the more I see how we see many things the same way. Maybe one day I will know just where our paths diverge.
Of course, 'heart' entails thought, the mind, imagination, intellect, wisdom, awareness, understanding, knowledge. 'With all your heart' definitely implies having all cognizance, mental faculties actively engaged.
Hence my question, if one is really 'thinking' about it, just why can he be 'deceived' and end up chasing demons and 'praising and worshiping'? Why isnt he not using his heart to see he is on the wrong side?
Yet he 'feels' he is on the right side!
I have found out what it is that creates this condition. Hence my clamp down, filtration. The psychology of music. The beats and notes, the clap and dance all express the prevalent thoughts. But under what conditions are these thoughts subjected? To see God one must always bear the cross that comes with the 'denial' of the self. Apparently, this is difficult for us. Like the young ruler, we have so much to lose, hence a compromise of make believe. The sword and the sharpening stone; they must diverge. Yet they are one. Inseparable. Flow gently down the stream.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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Any genre of music that is an accurate representation of God and or Man as revealed in scripture is acceptable for me. From akina lacrae and Evangel to Faustin Munishi and Hymns. I cant remember when i started thinking about the words of the songs i was singing in church but i can remember what happened AFTER i started thinking about those words. I stopped singing most of the songs primarily because they did not make any sense at all. I refused to be swayed by a songs 'mood' and beat and instead chose to hear the words. Not many songs make any sense for example... There are many songs sung in church that are hardly distinct from secular 'love' songs. Sample these lyrics Quote: Into your arms I'm drawing near again To dwell with you It's my only heart's desire It's my only heart's desire
All I can do Is fall on my knees and cry Cleanse me with fire And purify my heart
Draw me close Closer than before Closer than I've ever been
Wrap me in your arms, oh God. [Repeat]
So take me to that place Lord, To that secret place where I can be with you You can make me like you
Wrap me in your arms Wrap me in your arms Wrap me in your arms
This to me is an empty song. Devoid of content. There is nothing for the mind to contemplate, to engage with, there is no substance. There are many more like this, in every language. What is one to do with this? to imagine myself wrapped in the Lords arms? SMH! This may come as a shock to some but God is not ALEHANDRO! .... i digress.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/8/2013 Posts: 2,517
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Kenyan's got talent My guy Dj Noel Mixing you one of my very favourite local gospel artistes Ben Githae you dont have to understand the French just enjoy pure niceness http://www.mixcrate.com/djscribe/ben-githae-all-time-hitsdj-noel-kenya-199392"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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'Denial of self'
I love that.
How many believers have opted to deny the desire of self of the thrill, the longing of throbbing, rhythmic music - whether on the dance floor or 'sanctuary'? Few, negligible number!
Its too difficult for many believers to deny self- if they cant have 'it' in klubhouse, they will, by jove's will, have 'it' in church, on the pulpit, on the pews, on the aisles.
If you oppose "Meza wembe," - they tell you - "David danced!". Indeed, a compromise of make believe.
See, Mtu Biz thought of the music and came to his rubicon.
So did I.
So did Tycho.
Mtu Biz's sample must be a 'worship song'. There is nothing for the mind to contemplate, to digest. It is empty.
To make up for that it must be the sentimental, the emotional, the bye-bye-prefrontal-cortex type of music.
Alehandro. Lol.
The beats, the clap and dance all express the prevalent thought. Which is what? That God is Alehandro? We are supposed to love God. Not 'love' God.
Sword, stones, streams. Interesting.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/20/2008 Posts: 437
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 am a big fan of Wesley's music.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/8/2013 Posts: 2,517
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@kiriita@Muriel  you guys take me back to them days in high school:) we start this Sunday Service by singing from hymn number..... If you did not come with a hymn book see the Dining hall prefect after service  kiriita wrote:  am a big fan of Wesley's music. "😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/28/2008 Posts: 2,276 Location: Kibish
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very nice! Nadondosha meli kubwa seuze ngalawa!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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When it comes to denying the self, Man finds a task that is almost impossible. One must see how futile and senseless his life is. One must see how evil he is.
After the first birth, the child grows with many challenges. To be socialized is to be subjugated to convention. It's to be fixated on a worldview. It's death.
Freedom, and life, are when one is powerful and conscious, and creative; and more so, 'loving'. To be free is to be able to bestow pleasure on another. To nurture, protect, and nourish.
Praise and worship is for the other, not for the self. It's not about being consoled, or encouraged, or being ministered to.
It's not about being healed. It's about moving on. Being.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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You see!
Congruence! Harmony! Agreement!
Many are not willing to see how evil they really are.
Freedom and life surely exhibit themselves in self sacrificing love. Others first, self last. Denial of self. Nurture others. Protect others. Nourish others. The source of all freedom and all life expects this, asks for this, requires this.
Praise and worship is definitely not for oneself. One doesnt praise and worship to get consolation, encourgement in return. It is not a barter trade. An exchange. A market. No!
Praise and worship then did not happen one 'feels' that one has praised and worshipped. That one has nurtured oneself, protected oneself and nourished ones self.
Thats selfishness. Plain and simple. Catering for ones 'own' needs.
That is how evil man really is. Mixing self worship with praise and worship. In church. Just see how man really is evil yet are not willing to see.
Then they bind the devil - for good measure.
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