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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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Wendz wrote:vinii wrote:I was amused to hear the caller (reporter) being told to plant sh.7,777 so that his container can be released from the port...shouldnt the prophet be asking whether all taxes have been paid before embarking on the payers! He did not even bother to ask whether ni ya mihadarati. I just couldnt believe it when i heard the pastor wa kupanda mbegu ya mtoto kwa tumbo..... now, how many men are bringing up this pastor's kids? A man gets happy that the wife ni wa kanisa sana na hana mambo mingi kumbe pastor ni mbweha? ...And the way women can trust pastors...take all their marital problems to them waombewe...Bure kabisa!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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butterflyke wrote:turns out this is singer b. bayo's hosband....? RINK? We don't want another @Mukiha-@Mbetsa saga! Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.β β Rashi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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dunkang wrote:butterflyke wrote:turns out this is singer b. bayo's hosband....? RINK? We don't want another @Mukiha-@Mbetsa saga! today's sub-standard on pulse page 22 Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Aliπ
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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As fate would have it, Kiss Tv is still screening this guy's extortionist sermons. Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Rankaz13 wrote:As fate would have it, Kiss Tv is still screening this guy's extortionist sermons. good entertainment value. No sermon. Just miujizza, kutoa and now giving to the poor. Prophet Dr Victor Kanyari has paraded needy cases which he is helping. New angle.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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masukuma wrote:kunakudanganywa mingi inaendelea hii nchi but watu lazima wanyoshwe ndio wakuwe werevu. This culture of seed planting benefits one single person the guy who receives it. I know I will raffle feathers but forgive me when I say this - Christianity is slowly becoming like witchcraft! kuna tuvitu vitu watu wanafanyiwa siku hizi extrascriptural! mara mafuta inaexpire! mara mbegu! e.t.c. people are focusing on the hands of God and not his face! lakini wacha watu wachanuke! Name it and claim it started like 2a decades ago. Tog wth what you confess is what u possess. Guys only know verses to do with prosperity as oft quoted in church. Seeking the gift not the giver
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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People tuck Bibles under their arms when attending these services and then get duped,....makes you wonder if they ever read it at all and if they do how are they not able to call out what is happening as lies?
Shauri yao. I have no pity for those who have no common sense. It is a free country, the Bible is free and available to all, for your reading and understanding, those who place themselves at the mercy of these conmen when the true gospel is laid down in the simplest language deserve to be conned.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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My people perish for lack of knowledge.
Christians are duped because they are too greedy preferring instant answers to their problems instead of allowing God to take them through a refining process.
Eg.Imagine what Job of the bible would have been subjected to under these kanyaris.
We encounter problems and without discerning if they are God given to refine or test us like job, teach us lessons like nebuchadnezzer, or they could probably be consequences of our sins like David,we rush to for instant prayers and miracles.
And here is where the conmen disguised as God's servants take advantage of our ignorance by twisting/misinterpreting scriptures,talking about breaking of curses and charging for the same.
I can't even blame them because the bible talks about false preachers.
But foolish/ignorant christians is a no no.
Some of these shidas being brought before the conmen require a kidero slap and not prayers.
Other problems require hard rebuke,others need to be to told watafute kazi and pay their rents instead of cursing landlords or blaming witchcraft.
But no,we don't want hard rebuke,we prefer to be pampered,pitied and prayed for because we are 'suffering'. We love pity parties and attention to our problems.
A good man of God will tell you to go style up your life!and stop dancing with the devil and bombarding heaven with silly cries and prayers.
These con preachers have mastered spiritual witchcraft and operate in very bad realms of the spirit of Divination hence they are able to predict-like the helicopter dude.
Divination is what witchdoctors use to foretell.
Christian's must understand that not every problem is spiritual or requires a spiritual intervention.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,554
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kysse wrote:
Christian's must understand that not every problem is spiritual or requires a spiritual intervention.
 Excellent point in my view, and it should apply to all and not Christians alone! Meru Holiness
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Much Know wrote:kysse wrote:
Christian's must understand that not every problem is spiritual or requires a spiritual intervention.
Excellent point in my view, and it should apply to all and not Christians alone! What are some of these things that aren't spiritual? And if they aren't spiritual what are they?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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tycho wrote:Much Know wrote:kysse wrote:
Christian's must understand that not every problem is spiritual or requires a spiritual intervention.
Excellent point in my view, and it should apply to all and not Christians alone! dspiritual? And if they aren't spiritual what are they? 1. Say you are born again and employed.You spend half of your time in office preaching sermons and praying instead of working. Fellow staff are complaining of how unproductive you are but you rebuke them calling them madeemoni. You get fired!rush to the pastor and blame the devil for the misfortune. You think God will bother? There's a time for everything rem. 2. Refuse to pay rent to your landlord and you get kicked out.You start blaming your relas and look for the source of your prob.The answer here is simple, move to a cheaper house or work harder and pay rent.Don't stress the devil he has too much. 3.You refuse to eat healthy and fall sick as a result.You start blaming the devil for causing the illness,ohh phuuliz get real not spiritual. I know some need divine intervention but sio ule pizzas daily and start suffering probs in your groin and other areas. 4. You drive carelessly, cause an accident which lands you in jail. Whom do you blame? is that a spiritual problem? get jailed and learn a natural lesson out of a natural mistake,there;s nothing spiritual there. 5.You go round having sex indiscriminately without protection and contract stds or hiv.You later blame the devil for it.You had a choice so why did you choose the wrong one? did the devil posess your pipi? 6. You are unable to pay fees for instance,yet the school demands it from all parents saints and sinners alike.Your kid is sent home and you rush to the pastor instead of rushing to work and earn extra shillings to get that child back to school.You are even willing to pay the pastor the fees bal for prayers,how foolish can one get? lets be Spiritually natural and naturally spiritual.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/7/2013 Posts: 447 Location: Nairobi
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I planted did all the shit pastor said nothing happened...the only thing I didnt was to contribute to pastors flamboyant lifestyle. Now I give to needy...if God doesn't appreciate that...well its up to HIM. You cant win, unless you first begin....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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tycho wrote:Much Know wrote:kysse wrote:
Christian's must understand that not every problem is spiritual or requires a spiritual intervention.
Excellent point in my view, and it should apply to all and not Christians alone! What are some of these things that aren't spiritual? And if they aren't spiritual what are they? a black cat crossing the road just infront of you is just an animal looking for food/going back home. No need of getting superstitious and 'binding' the devil over this.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Much Know wrote:kysse wrote:
Christian's must understand that not every problem is spiritual or requires a spiritual intervention.
Excellent point in my view, and it should apply to all and not Christians alone! What are some of these things that aren't spiritual? And if they aren't spiritual what are they? Corporeal, environmental, legal ....just to mention a few. You fall sick because a fellow with a cold sneezed in your face. What you do next is go see a doctor. If you havent paid tax and KRA catches you (even if you didn't know) you will be in trouble, you need a tax accountant first then the priest second. What happened to people using the hands and brains that were given to them...if God didn't intend us to meet challenges and try to resolve them, why kick Adam and Eve out of the happy garden? You can't eat, marry or spend spirituality. In fact one could argue spirituality follows naturally if these other small things balance out somehow.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Would one rather be conned off her soul than her money?
And why do we think that the poor are wrong in believing that they can only make money via miracles and prayers?
I fear that the poor and 'common folk' are between a very tight vice. Maybe most of us are already lost. For example, now even the trusted churches are in a desperate struggle of ideas given the challenges of a delogocentralized world. How does the individual shape his spirituality? Will one cling to the Pope's robes? Or the 'doctrine'?
Many are conning themselves off their lives by blindly clinging to institutions, leave alone their hard earned cash.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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quicksand wrote:tycho wrote:Much Know wrote:kysse wrote:
Christian's must understand that not every problem is spiritual or requires a spiritual intervention.
Excellent point in my view, and it should apply to all and not Christians alone! What are some of these things that aren't spiritual? And if they aren't spiritual what are they? Corporeal, environmental, legal ....just to mention a few. You fall sick because a fellow with a cold sneezed in your face. What you do next is go see a doctor. If you havent paid tax and KRA catches you (even if you didn't know) you will be in trouble, you need a tax accountant first then the priest second. What happened to people using the hands and brains that were given to them...if God didn't intend us to meet challenges and try to resolve them, why kick Adam and Eve out of the happy garden? You can't eat, marry or spend spirituality. In fact one could argue spirituality follows naturally if these other small things balance out somehow. Curious indeed. Others believe the converse. Between God and Money and 'economic savvy' they choose God; and they know that in finding God they find everything else.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/7/2013 Posts: 447 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Would one rather be conned off her soul than her money?
And why do we think that the poor are wrong in believing that they can only make money via miracles and prayers?
I fear that the poor and 'common folk' are between a very tight vice. Maybe most of us are already lost. For example, now even the trusted churches are in a desperate struggle of ideas given the challenges of a delogocentralized world. How does the individual shape his spirituality? Will one cling to the Pope's robes? Or the 'doctrine'?
Many are conning themselves off their lives by blindly clinging to institutions, leave alone their hard earned cash.
The problem is when you are in problem...especially in our poor country...no one ever talks to a counselor....everyone will tell you to see a 'pastor'. That's the catch. If we got to the routine of talking to counselors then we would be better off. The pastors would not take advantage of our situations. We would seek spiritual help and an addition and in a mature way. The pastors know and have researched and so call out based on the typical problems...Marital problems, HIV and other sicknesses, lack of spouses, lack of children in a marriage, jobs..etc You cant win, unless you first begin....
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/8/2010 Posts: 763 Location: Intersection
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Meduza wrote:tycho wrote:Would one rather be conned off her soul than her money?
And why do we think that the poor are wrong in believing that they can only make money via miracles and prayers?
I fear that the poor and 'common folk' are between a very tight vice. Maybe most of us are already lost. For example, now even the trusted churches are in a desperate struggle of ideas given the challenges of a delogocentralized world. How does the individual shape his spirituality? Will one cling to the Pope's robes? Or the 'doctrine'?
Many are conning themselves off their lives by blindly clinging to institutions, leave alone their hard earned cash.
The problem is when you are in problem...especially in our poor country...no one ever talks to a counselor....everyone will tell you to see a 'pastor'. That's the catch. If we got to the routine of talking to counselors then we would be better off. The pastors would not take advantage of our situations. We would seek spiritual help and an addition and in a mature way. The pastors know and have researched and so call out based on the typical problems...Marital problems, HIV and other sicknesses, lack of spouses, lack of children in a marriage, jobs..etc or better still, talk to yourself through a mirror...works for me 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Meduza wrote:tycho wrote:Would one rather be conned off her soul than her money?
And why do we think that the poor are wrong in believing that they can only make money via miracles and prayers?
I fear that the poor and 'common folk' are between a very tight vice. Maybe most of us are already lost. For example, now even the trusted churches are in a desperate struggle of ideas given the challenges of a delogocentralized world. How does the individual shape his spirituality? Will one cling to the Pope's robes? Or the 'doctrine'?
Many are conning themselves off their lives by blindly clinging to institutions, leave alone their hard earned cash.
The problem is when you are in problem...especially in our poor country...no one ever talks to a counselor....everyone will tell you to see a 'pastor'. That's the catch. If we got to the routine of talking to counselors then we would be better off. The pastors would not take advantage of our situations. We would seek spiritual help and an addition and in a mature way. The pastors know and have researched and so call out based on the typical problems...Marital problems, HIV and other sicknesses, lack of spouses, lack of children in a marriage, jobs..etc Why shouldn't a counselor con a person? Besides, what counsel can one give to the poor? 'Get an education'? 'Be frugal'? Where does counsel come from?
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