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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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mimi nimenyamaza kimya,husinipatee na maneno,Mungu ndie ajuae...........maneno mingi sipendelei.......kusemasema sipendelei......uongo pia sipendelei................sang Remmy Ongara aka Sura Mbaya Hope that will be the oath at the hague...........no current kenyan politician can measure upto that..........that list should consist all 210 MPs and all defeated contestants of 2007.......then we start afresh.... If you have money that you expect to start using in five years,it does not belong in stocks. When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/11/2008 Posts: 892
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Ruto is at it again,he has publicly attacked RAO over Mau and the Waki Report. hapa iko maneno. I am more than a conqueror in Christ Jesus For in him (Jesus) we live and move and have our being-Acts 17:28
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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Raila,Ruto and Kibaki should be taken to the Hague and face the same treatment that Saddam got. - We are busy celebrating the victory of Obama and yet we can learn nothing from this. I did not shed tears when Obama won,but when I saw MaCcain conceding defeat I did shed tears. He said ' I accept Obama as my president...' Sarah Palin the other day said she is proud of Obama being the president and she is prayiing for the family... Isnt that mature politics. People understand the bad things that were said to both MaCcain and Obama. But that is politics. When you want to defeat your opponent,you do not praise him. All that is history and Americans have come together to solve issues that are important for the country to move forward. Tomorrow Obama is meeting MaCcain and cant wait to see so much love that the two guys will show. Obama kept on attacking Bush in every sentence he uttered during his campaigns. But did you see so much love that was exuded when Bush was taking Obama around state house. IS ANYBODY LISTENING? Raila,Kibaki,Kalonzo,Ruto-you are all primitive...
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/3/2008 Posts: 238
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Oops Ruto threatens to QUIT ODM!!! its good to prepare for hague my boy...
wish is yesterday,hope is tomorrow.. today we make or break!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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@Magigi, That Ruto severed relations with Raila is foregone conclusion. It is no longer news. Fahari wawili hawaishi zizi moja. Talking of maturity in politics,we were almost getting there,till one danger man took centre stage and stirred the waters. Remember Kibaki/Uhuru contest and the way they buried the campaigns. That is what Kenyans expected this time and in the future. Rogue politician whose careers are punctuated with a history of chaos and anarchy need to be put in their place -oblivion. We shoudnt blanket condemn all personalities even those who were voices of sanity and moderation but were variously called irrelevances,Judases etc,by the war generals. Had Obama lost he would have graciously conceded. Civilised society. Please delete the other RUTOvsRAILA thread you started to nip duplication. B.timer Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/20/2008 Posts: 5
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@magigi Sure they all need to mature,but sadly we wananchi give them the room to playact those tacts.
@B.timer I think you need to look at your log and dont share your partisan approaches,i do hope maybe SK would take an approach in having another discusion for other kenyans,cause i dont know which 'kenyans'(read from your region) you are always reffering to concur with you,but i know they are from which place so i think with time you will know kenya is big and have divergent views not your 'kenya' from PNU and region side. It true its a forgone conclusion from your side of party and region but not other kenyans(read)!!
Bidii yangu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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Muekezaji. For sure it is us who make those choices. When will we ever wake up? I think Kenyans love mediocrity.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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@ muek woteva,are u sad?? Imagine I really sympathise with u. Having such an xtremist faith in a bloodletting party n then it fails u can lead to tears,I hear you my brother,pole. Had ODM conceded ( not fought back coz of losing), 1.there could have been no waki report; 2. Ruto n RAO could still be buddiez; 3.u culdnt have run ua mouth like that!! 4. none of us could have known OCAMPO exists. ODM iko ICU,one of our wisest professors in politics who rarely goes wrong said 'ODM ni nini.......NI UPEPO TUU!!' Just wait buddy,u r domo damu but the day of reckoning is very near,at least Kibaki neva lied to me n all kenyans....................ama my dear how many maasai cows have been insured so far?? Let MK not perform according to domos,but at least he neva promised MIRACLES. TUTAKUWA PAPA HAPA KENYA You never know what u can get away with until u try it! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/13/2007 Posts: 6
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Ruto is preparing his Kalenjin community to walk out of Raila and ODM the day Moreno OCampo comes calling...for he is so sure his name is in the Waki list. So,what should this mean: 1. The stolen election was supposed to be fought through civil mass actions,and not through mass murders; for this Ruto and cronies,including those who retaliated,have to pay. 2. Raila is rash and does not weigh his words well from the position of his party and his people,therefore he makes statements that are not well considered. His powers as PM and ODM chief have been sapped further since the release of Kreigler and Waki reports 3. A party united by hatred against other tribes cannot last long; for different communities tend to forge and break alliances at different times. 4. If you own a TV in Kenya you are condemned to the Hague...this was sufficient to trigger the violence; therefore,those who stole the votes and those who broadcasted the stealing should be tried for mobilizing violence in Kenya. 5. PNU,ODM,Coalition Government should all pass away after the Hague; Kenya needs to start from a clean slate - No Raila,no Kibaki,no Ruto,no Uhuru,no Mudavadi,no KANU. 6. A nation that falls by the sword of justice if it rebuilds is much stronger and better than before. I wonder why Raila and Kibaki are afraid of this rebuilding process if they are true nationalists!! It proves they were just heading tribal coalitions rather than coalition of ideologies...to hell with Kenya.
Better to have stolen,than to be caught stealing!
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/20/2008 Posts: 5
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@simon kabz Am not very sad with politics,its a game of musical chairs it shifts like a pendulum,so am not sad but politically happy.ODM in ICU thats not bad,its still politics ;you know when PANUA was recently in shambles i doubt if anyone really commented on the 'evil'PNU or whatever for that sort it was only politics and tribal sharpening of their party. Without doubt you will feel very happy and good when ODM is in mishap,cause to you the party is the one which led to the deaths of many people and especially to you the GEMA community whih was primarily targeted.So i understand your prayers in the unfolding events in ODM,but my worthless warning to you is that dont be overly hyped by the raila and ruto,its political difference and even today while ruto was attacking raila it was in presence of nyongo and many others,and infact he mentioned him as 'arap mibey'.
So its not a big deal for ODM to flow and the waki report you are holding tightly as the reason for ODM rift is petty,the main problem was the party leadership and using opportunity to size one another.It will cost Raila nothing if he leave the Mau forest and just keep mum on waki report (which i think will be like that soon,i will brief you soon si bado tuko hapa).So while praying doom look at the other side. About domo i think it is still there and ODM is still having its following in many regions versus PNU on two regions. -And by the way its not blood mouth its what is on the ground lest you shuttle between nairobi and central or eastern but if you go across the other places you could know the basics there. Na ni kweli tuko hapa hapa kenya,and kibaki promised you and pnu faithfuls but to odm and their regions they did not buy it and have their own mindsets whether was lies or truth,so when you say kenyans count all kenyans not your 'kenya' and the more you have the ill feelings toward them the more other kenyans will have bad feelings and hatred too,and guess the repurcusion.i love peace and want unity but if things will go with ignorance and chest thumping without respect and living in denials and hypocrisy then i will be only a spectator in the unfolding events which i know will bound to happen anyway if not careful controlled.
Though politics are realy unknown monsters who can change within seconds. @mwendabio What you are saying its sensible if we need to mop out the mess then all should be held responsible and in this case let ruto,kibaki,raila,michuki,uhuru,nyongo and all in this leadership be tried and sentecedcause the reason which triggered were caused by the one who stole and clinged to power and the other ones who caused the mass actions and later violence,but if it will be otherwise then am very sad but kenya will be always doomed.And its true HAKUNA AMANI ILA KWA NCHA YA UPANGA and upanga was felt already so why dont we plan and save our country once and for all!!! And Kenya shall be strong forever.
Bidii yangu
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