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Rank: Member Joined: 5/31/2013 Posts: 109
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Um Sayala wrote:One of the reasons why the French had the famous Revolution in 1789 was the taxation burden on the Third Estate, coupled with wastage by King Louis XVI and the clergy.
If people dont learn from history, its gonna repeat itself relatively soon, instead of wasting time on Raila's aide the government should address the real issues affecting common man.
Revolutions by the way are never political, they are mainly economic-class struggles that are expressed politically. And peasants and middle class are a very dangerous lot to play politics with, when they are hungry. I am looking forward to the coming 'time of trouble'. History, among other things, was meant to be learnt from, AND to tell us what the future will be.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2007 Posts: 215
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This goverment is pushing people to revolt. And their patience can not be stretched very far. They will not need Omitata or Owala. Great that the debate is has not taken party politics. We are healing very little on the fighting corruption and alot of empty promises. On the 1.5 % on railway development what do they want to do? Buy new trains or rehabilitate the railway.? Thought the railway was sold to some private investors? Any plans for the lofty ideas of commuter metro in nairobi? There are more questions than answers Ante_Christa wrote:Um Sayala wrote:One of the reasons why the French had the famous Revolution in 1789 was the taxation burden on the Third Estate, coupled with wastage by King Louis XVI and the clergy.
If people dont learn from history, its gonna repeat itself relatively soon, instead of wasting time on Raila's aide the government should address the real issues affecting common man.
Revolutions by the way are never political, they are mainly economic-class struggles that are expressed politically. And peasants and middle class are a very dangerous lot to play politics with, when they are hungry. I am looking forward to the coming 'time of trouble'. History, among other things, was meant to be learnt from, AND to tell us what the future will be.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/5/2008 Posts: 602
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Maichblack wrote Quote:wairegi wrote:
It very clear that things are going to be hard and really hard.
Please take note;
1. 1.5% on all imports. Calling it railway development levy
2. VAT on essential goods that were zero rated before.
3. Just received a mail from my bank that there is going to be 10% excise duty.
Choices indeed have consequences.
Add to that the proposed up to 18,000/= PER MONTH to the NSSF thugs!
This UhuRuto government will finish us!
I don't know why some people are supporting some of the government proposals blindly! I keep saying, they should have sealed the loopholes first, eliminated wastage and provided services with the available resources before asking us for more! We are currently being asked to fund wastage and corruption!!! am saddened by this coz they surely will finish KENYANS. where to run to? Invest? save? we doomed!!!!!!! "The chief danger in life is that you may take too many precautions" - Alfred adler
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/17/2009 Posts: 201
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A country in terms of investment is like an individual you must kaza mshipi to invest. When you ask government for free goodies expect to pay for them. Otherwise middle class wataumia.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/22/2011 Posts: 561 Location: House
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Magigi wrote:newfarer wrote:wairegi wrote:It very clear that things are going to be hard and really hard.
Please take note;
1. 1.5% on all imports. Calling it railway development levy
2. VAT on essential goods that were zero rated before.
3. Just received a mail from my bank that there is going to be 10% excise duty.
Same
Choices indeed have consequences.
I was just thinking of the hard time ahead. politically.I'm afraid. ...went to Kenya Power today to apply for power ya rural...Was told connection fee is now ksh 70,000 from Ksh 34,000...Meter separation ksh 20,000 from ksh 6,000....Nitangoja ile power itakuja na laptops!!! Meanwhile i will negotiate with a neighbour 'nitupe wire' huko kwake...Absolute nonsense!!! does this apply to those who had received a quote early this year for Ksh 35,000?  i had received one for the 35 and cant and wont pay 70. ABK. ata better nitumie sitima ya shoo 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Ngogoyo wrote:Magigi wrote:newfarer wrote:wairegi wrote:It very clear that things are going to be hard and really hard.
Please take note;
1. 1.5% on all imports. Calling it railway development levy
2. VAT on essential goods that were zero rated before.
3. Just received a mail from my bank that there is going to be 10% excise duty.
Same
Choices indeed have consequences.
I was just thinking of the hard time ahead. politically.I'm afraid. ...went to Kenya Power today to apply for power ya rural...Was told connection fee is now ksh 70,000 from Ksh 34,000...Meter separation ksh 20,000 from ksh 6,000....Nitangoja ile power itakuja na laptops!!! Meanwhile i will negotiate with a neighbour 'nitupe wire' huko kwake...Absolute nonsense!!! does this apply to those who had received a quote early this year for Ksh 35,000? i had received one for the 35 and cant and wont pay 70. ABK. ata better nitumie sitima ya shoo yes....weka solar. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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The poor who are the majority of kenyans know how to survive and no increase in taxes or increase in elec will change their lives, only the noisy lower middle class will be affected.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,561
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Ngogoyo wrote:Magigi wrote:newfarer wrote:wairegi wrote:It very clear that things are going to be hard and really hard.
Please take note;
1. 1.5% on all imports. Calling it railway development levy
2. VAT on essential goods that were zero rated before.
3. Just received a mail from my bank that there is going to be 10% excise duty.
Same
Choices indeed have consequences.
I was just thinking of the hard time ahead. politically.I'm afraid. ...went to Kenya Power today to apply for power ya rural...Was told connection fee is now ksh 70,000 from Ksh 34,000...Meter separation ksh 20,000 from ksh 6,000....Nitangoja ile power itakuja na laptops!!! Meanwhile i will negotiate with a neighbour 'nitupe wire' huko kwake...Absolute nonsense!!! does this apply to those who had received a quote early this year for Ksh 35,000? i had received one for the 35 and cant and wont pay 70. ABK. ata better nitumie sitima ya shoo My advice to you guys is to stall on paying the 70k. I'm reliably informed by an insider that the rate might be lowered to even less than the original 35k if some of the things they are working on materialize. It might actually go to 20s. They are in advanced talks with some institutions including World Bank on the issue of subsidies especially concerning rural electrification. Watch this space. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,561
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Why do some people hate the middle class so much? Some people spew alot of venom directed towards the so called middle class and yet they are themselves middle class or working their a$$es off to become middle class. Very few Kenyans have made it past "Upper middle class" - maybe 5%. Majority of Kenyans are either middle class or hoping they will one day make the cut. So why the hatred??? Someone school me. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/20/2009 Posts: 1,402
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If the increased taxes will translate To Tangible Growth Of The Economy...n For me This Will Mean At The Least No Traffic Jams, I Dont Mind.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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MaichBlack wrote:Why do some people hate the middle class so much? Some people spew alot of venom directed towards the so called middle class and yet they are themselves middle class or working their a$$es off to become middle class. Very few Kenyans have made it past "Upper middle class" - maybe 5%. Majority of Kenyans are either middle class or hoping they will one day make the cut. So why the hatred??? Someone school me. I am also wondering...people should focus on their lives and let others be. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Why do some people hate the middle class so much? Some people spew alot of venom directed towards the so called middle class and yet they are themselves middle class or working their a$$es off to become middle class. Very few Kenyans have made it past "Upper middle class" - maybe 5%. Majority of Kenyans are either middle class or hoping they will one day make the cut. So why the hatred??? Someone school me. I am also wondering...people should focus on their lives and let others be.  some brains are just lazy so the easiest thing to type is mido crass!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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McReggae wrote:maka wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Why do some people hate the middle class so much? Some people spew alot of venom directed towards the so called middle class and yet they are themselves middle class or working their a$$es off to become middle class. Very few Kenyans have made it past "Upper middle class" - maybe 5%. Majority of Kenyans are either middle class or hoping they will one day make the cut. So why the hatred??? Someone school me. I am also wondering...people should focus on their lives and let others be. some brains are just lazy so the easiest thing to type is mido crass!!! and you still go ahead and type it
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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nakujua wrote:McReggae wrote:maka wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Why do some people hate the middle class so much? Some people spew alot of venom directed towards the so called middle class and yet they are themselves middle class or working their a$$es off to become middle class. Very few Kenyans have made it past "Upper middle class" - maybe 5%. Majority of Kenyans are either middle class or hoping they will one day make the cut. So why the hatred??? Someone school me. I am also wondering...people should focus on their lives and let others be. some brains are just lazy so the easiest thing to type is mido crass!!! and you still go ahead and type it  yeah.....I see you avoided it!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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nakujua wrote:McReggae wrote:maka wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Why do some people hate the middle class so much? Some people spew alot of venom directed towards the so called middle class and yet they are themselves middle class or working their a$$es off to become middle class. Very few Kenyans have made it past "Upper middle class" - maybe 5%. Majority of Kenyans are either middle class or hoping they will one day make the cut. So why the hatred??? Someone school me. I am also wondering...people should focus on their lives and let others be. some brains are just lazy so the easiest thing to type is mido crass!!! and you still go ahead and type it I think he was putting some emphasis on the whole idea based on other people's actions and sentiments... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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McReggae wrote:nakujua wrote:McReggae wrote:maka wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Why do some people hate the middle class so much? Some people spew alot of venom directed towards the so called middle class and yet they are themselves middle class or working their a$$es off to become middle class. Very few Kenyans have made it past "Upper middle class" - maybe 5%. Majority of Kenyans are either middle class or hoping they will one day make the cut. So why the hatred??? Someone school me. I am also wondering...people should focus on their lives and let others be. some brains are just lazy so the easiest thing to type is mido crass!!! and you still go ahead and type it yeah.....I see you avoided it!!! , like a plague, at least you have managed to keep off also - we don't want lazy brains do we?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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maka wrote:nakujua wrote:McReggae wrote:maka wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Why do some people hate the middle class so much? Some people spew alot of venom directed towards the so called middle class and yet they are themselves middle class or working their a$$es off to become middle class. Very few Kenyans have made it past "Upper middle class" - maybe 5%. Majority of Kenyans are either middle class or hoping they will one day make the cut. So why the hatred??? Someone school me. I am also wondering...people should focus on their lives and let others be. some brains are just lazy so the easiest thing to type is mido crass!!! and you still go ahead and type it I think he was putting some emphasis on the whole idea based on other people's actions and sentiments... Just thought I would throw some stones at the glass house
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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www.businessdailyafrica....6/-/ybl1s7z/-/index.htmlCollege fees set to rise as government cuts meals subsidy... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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maka wrote:www.businessdailyafrica.com/College-fees-set-to-rise-as-government-cuts-meals-subsidy/-/539546/1929696/-/ybl1s7z/-/index.html
College fees set to rise as government cuts meals subsidy... Riots pap! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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