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Otongolo boy at statehouse
2012
#41 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 10:40:20 AM
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masukuma wrote:
A man’s gift will make room for him and bring him before great men - Proverbs 18:16


Amen to that!


Impunity wrote:
"Lip service"


My rafiki, machungu baado hayajaisha? Laughing out loudly

BBI will solve it
:)
tycho
#42 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:58:31 AM
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guru267 wrote:
tycho wrote:
The president seems to be encouraging the Citizen to hold the view that there are people up there who have an obligation to help those who are down there, and that the biggest problem is lack of finances.

This is grossly misleading, and blocks the emergence of the kind of leadership required in this century where all are to be powerful and able to meet their needs.

We will soon be a nation of free riders.

Poor showing by the president.


@tycho if you don't chill out a little you are going to get an ulcer!

In every country in the world they will be those that will be extremely rich and those that are extremely poor! It is an inevitable social structure that todays world cannot do without!

What's wrong with a rich individual enabling a poor individual achieve his dreams?? At least he wasn't given a cheque!!


@guru, on the contrary, I believe I am getting to enjoy my being immensely. But I am most grateful that you are concerned about my health. Lol.

Firstly, we must understand that we are talking about statesmanship, and how citizens respond to a statesman's behavior. It is also about values and virtues that we hold and should hold.

Like in this case, what value or virtue are we talking about? Appreciation of art? Mercy? Kindness? Generosity? Wealth? Duty?

I dare not look down on the artist and his skill. And it is my hope that this boy will claim his freedom and continue to be an artist. And of course, I must congratulate his teachers.

But I question our reaction. Are paying homage to art and artistic performance? No. I don't think so. Mcreggae has said it all.

Mcreggae believes, and he has many who agree, that we are rewarding the young man's understanding and attitude about his poverty. He is a warrior who's risen in a spiritual sense, above the unpleasant world of poverty. And of course, he made many to laugh not at their poverty, but at the sweet justification of their wealth. For if the peasant is laughing at himself what can the wealthy do but laugh along?

And of course, our President, who is no doubt a well meaning person known for his generousity, and appeal to the people, had nothing else to do but reward the people's choice.

But who are these 'people'? They are the increasing members of the street families, robbers, corrupt officials, discouraged students . . . The list is endless. And all these people are fueling an unjust system that believes that it is in the nature of Man to be poor.

Poverty is a creation of Government.

Lol. The young Man was laughing at the beast. The beast laughed with him, and had him for supper.






Euge
#43 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:22:17 PM
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tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
tycho wrote:
The president seems to be encouraging the Citizen to hold the view that there are people up there who have an obligation to help those who are down there, and that the biggest problem is lack of finances.

This is grossly misleading, and blocks the emergence of the kind of leadership required in this century where all are to be powerful and able to meet their needs.

We will soon be a nation of free riders.

Poor showing by the president.


@tycho if you don't chill out a little you are going to get an ulcer!

In every country in the world they will be those that will be extremely rich and those that are extremely poor! It is an inevitable social structure that todays world cannot do without!

What's wrong with a rich individual enabling a poor individual achieve his dreams?? At least he wasn't given a cheque!!


@guru, on the contrary, I believe I am getting to enjoy my being immensely. But I am most grateful that you are concerned about my health. Lol.

Firstly, we must understand that we are talking about statesmanship, and how citizens respond to a statesman's behavior. It is also about values and virtues that we hold and should hold.

Like in this case, what value or virtue are we talking about? Appreciation of art? Mercy? Kindness? Generosity? Wealth? Duty?

I dare not look down on the artist and his skill. And it is my hope that this boy will claim his freedom and continue to be an artist. And of course, I must congratulate his teachers.

But I question our reaction. Are paying homage to art and artistic performance? No. I don't think so. Mcreggae has said it all.

Mcreggae believes, and he has many who agree, that we are rewarding the young man's understanding and attitude about his poverty. He is a warrior who's risen in a spiritual sense, above the unpleasant world of poverty. And of course, he made many to laugh not at their poverty, but at the sweet justification of their wealth. For if the peasant is laughing at himself what can the wealthy do but laugh along?

And of course, our President, who is no doubt a well meaning person known for his generousity, and appeal to the people, had nothing else to do but reward the people's choice.

But who are these 'people'? They are the increasing members of the street families, robbers, corrupt officials, discouraged students . . . The list is endless. And all these people are fueling an unjust system that believes that it is in the nature of Man to be poor.
.

Poverty is a creation of Government

Lol. The young Man was laughing at the beast. The beast laughed with him, and had him for supper.

Not true. Poverty is created in the mind of the poor fellow.





Lord, thank you!
tycho
#44 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:29:42 PM
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Euge wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
tycho wrote:
The president seems to be encouraging the Citizen to hold the view that there are people up there who have an obligation to help those who are down there, and that the biggest problem is lack of finances.

This is grossly misleading, and blocks the emergence of the kind of leadership required in this century where all are to be powerful and able to meet their needs.

We will soon be a nation of free riders.

Poor showing by the president.


@tycho if you don't chill out a little you are going to get an ulcer!

In every country in the world they will be those that will be extremely rich and those that are extremely poor! It is an inevitable social structure that todays world cannot do without!

What's wrong with a rich individual enabling a poor individual achieve his dreams?? At least he wasn't given a cheque!!


@guru, on the contrary, I believe I am getting to enjoy my being immensely. But I am most grateful that you are concerned about my health. Lol.

Firstly, we must understand that we are talking about statesmanship, and how citizens respond to a statesman's behavior. It is also about values and virtues that we hold and should hold.

Like in this case, what value or virtue are we talking about? Appreciation of art? Mercy? Kindness? Generosity? Wealth? Duty?

I dare not look down on the artist and his skill. And it is my hope that this boy will claim his freedom and continue to be an artist. And of course, I must congratulate his teachers.

But I question our reaction. Are paying homage to art and artistic performance? No. I don't think so. Mcreggae has said it all.

Mcreggae believes, and he has many who agree, that we are rewarding the young man's understanding and attitude about his poverty. He is a warrior who's risen in a spiritual sense, above the unpleasant world of poverty. And of course, he made many to laugh not at their poverty, but at the sweet justification of their wealth. For if the peasant is laughing at himself what can the wealthy do but laugh along?

And of course, our President, who is no doubt a well meaning person known for his generousity, and appeal to the people, had nothing else to do but reward the people's choice.

But who are these 'people'? They are the increasing members of the street families, robbers, corrupt officials, discouraged students . . . The list is endless. And all these people are fueling an unjust system that believes that it is in the nature of Man to be poor.
.

Poverty is a creation of Government

Lol. The young Man was laughing at the beast. The beast laughed with him, and had him for supper.

Not true. Poverty is created in the mind of the poor fellow.







When and how?

Who is responsible for a people's consciousness if not Government?
bwenyenye
#45 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:40:10 PM
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McReggae wrote:
"Your talent, joyful service and positive attitude will make you sit with kings. This has been the case for Daniel Owira of the Otonglo Times fame the last one week. The reason this boy is going places is not because he entertained the President and got lucky with the media. No. It is because he despised his oppressive ...circumstances and was so full of life during the Drama Fetivals that everyone who saw him perform was moved to see the deplorable environment he has been living in, yet he could perform with such passion. It is not the poverty that moved us. It is the raw talent executed with vigor, joy and determination. There are many other poor boys and girls who will never meet the President because they think more of their poverty and walk around glorifying their misery instead of doing their best with what God has given them. Therein lies the difference!"


Very very very well put!
I Think Therefore I Am
Kusadikika
#46 Posted : Thursday, May 02, 2013 2:50:32 PM
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Trust @Tycho to bring analysis and philosophy to every discussion. I would love to hear your views on the cat with its head in the mtungi on the other thread...
Wendz
#47 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 8:34:08 AM
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McReggae wrote:
"Your talent, joyful service and positive attitude will make you sit with kings. This has been the case for Daniel Owira of the Otonglo Times fame the last one week. The reason this boy is going places is not because he entertained the President and got lucky with the media. No. It is because he despised his oppressive ...circumstances and was so full of life during the Drama Fetivals that everyone who saw him perform was moved to see the deplorable environment he has been living in, yet he could perform with such passion. It is not the poverty that moved us. It is the raw talent executed with vigor, joy and determination. There are many other poor boys and girls who will never meet the President because they think more of their poverty and walk around glorifying their misery instead of doing their best with what God has given them. Therein lies the difference!"


Where's the icon for "salute"? Respect, man! total respect!
chepkel
#48 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 8:56:59 AM
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tycho wrote:
The president seems to be encouraging the Citizen to hold the view that there are people up there who have an obligation to help those who are down there, and that the biggest problem is lack of finances.

This is grossly misleading, and blocks the emergence of the kind of leadership required in this century where all are to be powerful and able to meet their needs.

We will soon be a nation of free riders.

Poor showing by the president.


If my brother is in trouble i will always help him out (my sister too)smile smile

Do unto others what you'd like done unto you and always be the good Samaritan.
Amores
#49 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 9:07:35 AM
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@ Tycho,go out of your way one day and do something good ( no matter how small) and you will see the joy and satisfaction.There are Kenyans out there doing good things in our society,me being one of them. I have something to spare,and i am paying college fees for a certain kid,i educated his brother as well. I am not saying this to steal the thunder from the president,just to tell you it is not unheard of- this is high profile because of the office and of course the guys' talent.

And because there are many more families like "Otongolo's",or many street children,or many kids without school fees does not mean all well meaning gestures should stop.
I am happy
ecstacy
#50 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 10:09:04 AM
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Wendz wrote:
McReggae wrote:
"Your talent, joyful service and positive attitude will make you sit with kings. This has been the case for Daniel Owira of the Otonglo Times fame the last one week. The reason this boy is going places is not because he entertained the President and got lucky with the media. No. It is because he despised his oppressive ...circumstances and was so full of life during the Drama Fetivals that everyone who saw him perform was moved to see the deplorable environment he has been living in, yet he could perform with such passion. It is not the poverty that moved us. It is the raw talent executed with vigor, joy and determination. There are many other poor boys and girls who will never meet the President because they think more of their poverty and walk around glorifying their misery instead of doing their best with what God has given them. Therein lies the difference!"


Where's the icon for "salute"? Respect, man! total respect!


Applause
masukuma
#51 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 10:10:40 AM
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"They say make hay when the sun shines, i say buy hay when you have the Otonglo"... the guy is shining.... opportunity meeting preparedness!
S
http://www.youtube.com/w...edded&v=14NL5kNOaKg

Shine Owira Shine.... make hay when the sun is shining on you!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Impunity
#52 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 10:47:10 AM
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And now he has Tuskies endorsement for back to school ad, worth million(s) of shillings (I bet)
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

Muheani
#53 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 10:56:19 AM
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Go Daniel Go..
We are waiting for the next rhyme on the side of Otonglo in Middle Karen (just wondering..if lower karen is kibs, middle Karen Should be-Otiende or Langata?)
Annti_Christy
#54 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 11:33:26 AM
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Amores wrote:
@ Tycho,go out of your way one day and do something good ( no matter how small) and you will see the joy and satisfaction.There are Kenyans out there doing good things in our society,me being one of them. I have something to spare,and i am paying college fees for a certain kid,i educated his brother as well. I am not saying this to steal the thunder from the president,just to tell you it is not unheard of- this is high profile because of the office and of course the guys' talent.

And because there are many more families like "Otongolo's",or many street children,or many kids without school fees does not mean all well meaning gestures should stop.


Why do you think tycho is not doing anything good? sustainable trades and crafts are what will uplift individuals not freebies. The existence and implementation of freebies has hardly made a dent to poverty. its time for re-think!
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Amores
#55 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 11:34:49 AM
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Impunity wrote:
And now he has Tuskies endorsement for back to school ad, worth million(s) of shillings (I bet)


Tuskeys or Naivas?

Owira unshackled!Applause Applause While others were busy making presentations that tear the country ( read shackles of doom) others were making a date with destiny!
I am happy
2012
#56 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 12:05:51 PM
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Amores wrote:
Impunity wrote:
And now he has Tuskies endorsement for back to school ad, worth million(s) of shillings (I bet)


Tuskeys or Naivas?

Owira unshackled!Applause Applause While others were busy making presentations that tear the country ( read shackles of doom) others were making a date with destiny!


What about his siblings?

BBI will solve it
:)
Amores
#57 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 12:15:12 PM
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2012 wrote:
Amores wrote:
Impunity wrote:
And now he has Tuskies endorsement for back to school ad, worth million(s) of shillings (I bet)


Tuskeys or Naivas?

Owira unshackled!Applause Applause While others were busy making presentations that tear the country ( read shackles of doom) others were making a date with destiny!


What about his siblings?


What about them ?
I am happy
Amores
#58 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 12:18:56 PM
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Annti_Christy wrote:
Amores wrote:
@ Tycho,go out of your way one day and do something good ( no matter how small) and you will see the joy and satisfaction.There are Kenyans out there doing good things in our society,me being one of them. I have something to spare,and i am paying college fees for a certain kid,i educated his brother as well. I am not saying this to steal the thunder from the president,just to tell you it is not unheard of- this is high profile because of the office and of course the guys' talent.

And because there are many more families like "Otongolo's",or many street children,or many kids without school fees does not mean all well meaning gestures should stop.


Why do you think tycho is not doing anything good? sustainable trades and crafts are what will uplift individuals not freebies. The existence and implementation of freebies has hardly made a dent to poverty. its time for re-think!



Ok,then maybe the President should have given the kid money to start a business and not paying his school fees and encouraging him to pursue his talent,or what exactly is your point here?
I am happy
freiks
#59 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 12:28:04 PM
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2012 wrote:
Amores wrote:
Impunity wrote:
And now he has Tuskies endorsement for back to school ad, worth million(s) of shillings (I bet)


Tuskeys or Naivas?

Owira unshackled!Applause Applause While others were busy making presentations that tear the country ( read shackles of doom) others were making a date with destiny!


What about his siblings?

http://www.capitalfm.co....glo-for-boys-education/

I think no one was left out while on SH visit, it was a worthy tour
Life is an endless adventure
Annti_Christy
#60 Posted : Friday, May 03, 2013 1:42:55 PM
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Amores wrote:
Annti_Christy wrote:
Amores wrote:
@ Tycho,go out of your way one day and do something good ( no matter how small) and you will see the joy and satisfaction.There are Kenyans out there doing good things in our society,me being one of them. I have something to spare,and i am paying college fees for a certain kid,i educated his brother as well. I am not saying this to steal the thunder from the president,just to tell you it is not unheard of- this is high profile because of the office and of course the guys' talent.

And because there are many more families like "Otongolo's",or many street children,or many kids without school fees does not mean all well meaning gestures should stop.


Why do you think tycho is not doing anything good? sustainable trades and crafts are what will uplift individuals not freebies. The existence and implementation of freebies has hardly made a dent to poverty. its time for re-think!



Ok,then maybe the President should have given the kid money to start a business and not paying his school fees and encouraging him to pursue his talent,or what exactly is your point here?


Um sayala was here some weeks ago telling us stories of how he paid school fees for his sibling who ended up achieving nothing in school. so school fees is just school fees, nothing much. on the other hand, some things are better than school fees e.g. owning a (profitable) business. i am sure the details of achieving that can be worked out once the capital is assured.
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