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Blackberry
#41 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:17:41 PM
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Annti_Christy wrote:
Friend blackberry, I will show you what I found out. You will need a bible, reading and comprehension skills and time. Because christians have been accused of not engaging their brains as they open their bibles. Where do we start? Lets start with the galatians. Fair?


ok....

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#42 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:33:46 PM
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How about you state the delusion first,then as we engage in discourse we can have a goal in mind.
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#43 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:42:54 PM
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Right! I am going to go through galatians,they are just 6 short chapters. Please go through them for your self and come up to speed. We will start tomorrow. I am going to show that christians just teach/say the theory of christianity but do the opposite. I am going to show that christians do not do what they say.
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#44 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:47:00 PM
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Thats fair.
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#45 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 9:34:07 AM
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the context of galatians is false teaching in church. much like today, delusions galore.

verse 1 - paul gives his credentials
v 2,3 - greetings
v 4,5 - summary of salvation
v 6 - galatians had got original teachings but they now got new and strange teachings.

what are these new & strange teachings? we will find out!

v 7 - new teachers who twist the original teachings
v 8,9 - strong words for the new teachings. because even an ever so slight deviation from the original teaching makes the original teaching of non effect.
v 10 - hint about the content of the new teaching - they were pleasing to hear.
v 11,12 - the source of the original teaching.
v 13-24 - paul gives his cv. He was a walking dictionary of the jews laws and customs, the top dog pharisee. this makes him the one to know and to spot out any gray area between the jewish law and jesus teachings, right? He had been there and done that. right?
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#46 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:47:15 PM
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Annti_Christy wrote:
the context of galatians is false teaching in church. much like today, delusions galore.

verse 1 - paul gives his credentials
v 2,3 - greetings
v 4,5 - summary of salvation
v 6 - galatians had got original teachings but they now got new and strange teachings.

what are these new & strange teachings? we will find out!

v 7 - new teachers who twist the original teachings
v 8,9 - strong words for the new teachings. because even an ever so slight deviation from the original teaching makes the original teaching of non effect.
v 10 - hint about the content of the new teaching - they were pleasing to hear.
v 11,12 - the source of the original teaching.
v 13-24 - paul gives his cv. He was a walking dictionary of the jews laws and customs, the top dog pharisee. this makes him the one to know and to spot out any gray area between the jewish law and jesus teachings, right? He had been there and done that. right?


The experience of Christ goes beyond teaching. It entails crucifixion, death and resurrection.

So talking about teaching is false talk.

Paul's authority, his cv, is his encounter with Christ. His legal knowledge does not count for anything.

Your introduction I fear, seems to point on the wrong track. You are talking about Paul instead of your encounter with Christ through Paul's words.
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#47 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:51:05 PM
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tycho wrote:
Annti_Christy wrote:
the context of galatians is false teaching in church. much like today, delusions galore.

verse 1 - paul gives his credentials
v 2,3 - greetings
v 4,5 - summary of salvation
v 6 - galatians had got original teachings but they now got new and strange teachings.

what are these new & strange teachings? we will find out!

v 7 - new teachers who twist the original teachings
v 8,9 - strong words for the new teachings. because even an ever so slight deviation from the original teaching makes the original teaching of non effect.
v 10 - hint about the content of the new teaching - they were pleasing to hear.
v 11,12 - the source of the original teaching.
v 13-24 - paul gives his cv. He was a walking dictionary of the jews laws and customs, the top dog pharisee. this makes him the one to know and to spot out any gray area between the jewish law and jesus teachings, right? He had been there and done that. right?


The experience of Christ goes beyond teaching. It entails crucifixion, death and resurrection.

So talking about teaching is false talk.

Paul's authority, his cv, is his encounter with Christ. His legal knowledge does not count for anything.

Your introduction I fear, seems to point on the wrong track. You are talking about Paul instead of your encounter with Christ through Paul's words.

Paul was actually warning the Galatians that the following the Jewish law did not make one a Christian...you have to get saved
secondly you cannot read the bible like that...kama novel NKT!




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#48 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:56:38 PM
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Annti_Christy wrote:
the context of galatians is false teaching in church. much like today, delusions galore.

verse 1 - paul gives his credentials
v 2,3 - greetings
v 4,5 - summary of salvation
v 6 - galatians had got original teachings but they now got new and strange teachings.

what are these new & strange teachings? we will find out!

v 7 - new teachers who twist the original teachings
v 8,9 - strong words for the new teachings. because even an ever so slight deviation from the original teaching makes the original teaching of non effect.
v 10 - hint about the content of the new teaching - they were pleasing to hear.
v 11,12 - the source of the original teaching.
v 13-24 - paul gives his cv. He was a walking dictionary of the jews laws and customs, the top dog pharisee. this makes him the one to know and to spot out any gray area between the jewish law and jesus teachings, right? He had been there and done that. right?


In a way I see your point christians don't always do what they say and even follow false teachings.But you knowing this means you could have followed them independent of what other christians are doing.Or is there something about christianity that doesn't add up?
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#49 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:45:39 PM
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Oooops!
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#50 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:51:31 PM
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Annti_Christy wrote:
symbols wrote:

In a way I see your point christians don't always do what they say and even follow false teachings.But you knowing this means you could have followed them independent of what other christians are doing.Or is there something about christianity that doesn't add up?


Friend symbols, just wait. you will see.


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#51 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00:12 PM
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Chapter 2
v 1,2 – continuation of his background from previous chapter
v 3 – introduction of 'circumcision' - could this be the issue? Hhhmmm.
V 4 – the false brethren issue again in light of 'circumcision' is there a connection?
v 5,6 – paul did not tolerate the false brethren even for 1 hour.
V 7,8 – paul; apostle to the gentiles (uncircumcised) peter; apostle to the jews (circumcision)
v 9 – flash back to the jerusalem council (story in Acts 15:1-29)

At this point, the issue with the galatians is clear, its about circumcision. Acts 15: 1,5 the 'false brethren' point was 'circumcision after the manner / law of Moses'. But remember there was Abrahams circumcision / covenant in Genesis 17:9-14.

Abraham is talked about in the next chapter.

v 11-13 – peter sold out on this circumcision business and his act led to others including barnabas also to sell out. By this act they were blurring the distinction between things 'after manner / law of moses' and the things after Jesus.
V 14 – pauls criticism about this selling out shenanigans.
V 15, 16 – 'circumcision after the manner / law of Moses' has been overtaken by (Jesus) events. People are now justified by 'faith OF Jesus'. What is this faith OF Jesus? (It appears again in Rev 14:12 hhhmmm.)

I forgot to say I am using KJV.

V 17 – if you are now justified by faith do you now keep transgressing the law? God forbid! You cannot transgress the law, you cannot continue in sin if you are justified by jesus. Jesus does not condone sin which is transgression of the law.

v19 - you could not have been alive to god were it not for the law.

V 20 – crucified with christ and live by 'faith OF son of God' hhmmm. Wages of sin is death, to die crucified in this manner shows the law demanded your death and if you die your death acknowledges the law stands.

V 21 – do not frustrate the grace of God. How is this done? By sinning, transgressing the law. So does not transgressing the law justify you, no. Righteousness comes by faith.
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#52 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:08:37 PM
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chapter 3 is where things get juicy. Paul has been accused of being hard to understand and this will be proof. comprehension skills will be handy here and bring your thinking cap we will need it.
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#53 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:12:05 PM
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Sorry,you hadn't finished.Go on.
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#54 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:16:16 PM
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symbols wrote:
Sorry,you hadn't finished.Go on.


What? I will make my conclusion at the end.
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#55 Posted : Wednesday, April 24, 2013 9:29:28 PM
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Annti_Christy wrote:
symbols wrote:
Sorry,you hadn't finished.Go on.


What? I will make my conclusion at the end.


Only after you state your whole case can I engage on its validity.
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#56 Posted : Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:03:25 AM
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Absolutely. Remember that my extermination agenda is not to proove the bible but to fry the christians in their own fat, as it were. I will be starting chapter 3 shortly.
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#57 Posted : Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:58:01 AM
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#58 Posted : Friday, April 26, 2013 8:32:45 AM
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Sorry got derailed abit. Friend blackberry are you still with us or you have gone?

chapter 3

v1. strong language again. this matter was very clear then why are the galatians acting foolishly by complicating it?
v2,3. they cannot perfect the 'new' belief with the 'old' one.
v4,5. they had had plenty of evidence in regards to the validity of the 'new' faith. (e.g. in Acts 14:8-10) please read the context.
v6,7. direct quote from Gen 15:6. Back to abraham. In that story theres talk about A seed. a he seed. Isaac? Wrong! See galatians 3 v.29

this quote and question is important because (a) jews prided themselves as being abrahams seed and (b) abraham was counted righteous before being circumsiced in manner of the jews. See also Rom4:9-11.

v8. quote again from Gen 22:18. The story there was Isaac to be sacrificed. Consider abraham answer in v8. (god will provide himself...) was the lamb he said the one caught by the horns in v13? Wrong. that was a ram, not lamb. so who was it? jesus. so did abraham believe in jesus? Hhhhhmmmmm. Lets file this thought in memory we will return to it.

v9. so excluding moses law of circumsicion etc one can be blessed with abraham. But abraham was (a) circumcised and (b) kept some laws in gen 26;5.

so those who identify with abraham should somehow be cirucmcised and keep some laws.

from galatians 3: 10 is where we start thinking hard. very very hard. christians, i hope your brains will not melt down.
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#59 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2013 12:07:59 PM
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gosh i feel drained. i wish i had a wingman. @newfarer would have been a great assistance but anyway here goes....
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#60 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2013 12:10:56 PM
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v10 - if you sin/transgress the law (and they are many) one time, there is no good thing you can ever do to atone for it. This is the 'curse'. impossible christians have imagined this 'curse' to be a voodoo spell or something. Dumb imho.

v11-12 - how can you keep the law when you have broken one of them and cant pay?

v13 - jesus is only one who kept all the law and paid its penalty for others. the quote is from deutern 21:23

its good to point out that the law here is the 10 commandments and its subsidiary legislations aka the ceremonial law.

v14-18 - again abraham! this dude must be important! in short the situation is like this

'new' ➟ 'old' ➟ 'new' covenants.

'new' abraham believed ......(Gen 15:6)
'old' israelites said they will do... (exodus 19:8)
'new' christians to believe

Think!


v17- mention of 430 years (mentioned in exodus 12:40,41)
the 'new' covenant of abraham cannot be disannuled by the law given 430 years later in the exodus.
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