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murchr
#21 Posted : Sunday, May 26, 2013 6:17:33 PM
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The easiest way to get rid of this slum is to start flattening the slums, then the dwellers will think about getting out. Ofcourse that will not happen because of the political implications of doing it.

The most effective way would be to make it very difficult to live in those slums (have a very punitive tax regime) that leaving the city would be the only option out.
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essyk
#22 Posted : Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:23:42 PM
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murchr wrote:
The easiest way to get rid of this slum is to start flattening the slums, then the dwellers will think about getting out. Ofcourse that will not happen because of the political implications of doing it.

The most effective way would be to make it very difficult to live in those slums (have a very punitive tax regime) that leaving the city would be the only option out.


That's a wish that will never come true.
Wish you knew how many NGO'S depend on this slum for their survival.
no slum>>no probs>>no donors>>no jobs.

The people in real need of the slum live in Runda and Karen.
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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newfarer
#23 Posted : Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:29:36 PM
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murchr wrote:
The easiest way to get rid of this slum is to start flattening the slums, then the dwellers will think about getting out. Ofcourse that will not happen because of the political implications of doing it.

The most effective way would be to make it very difficult to live in those slums (have a very punitive tax regime) that leaving the city would be the only option out.

agreed
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tycho
#24 Posted : Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:14:34 PM
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Essyk, modified ujamaa is about collaborating to compete. Collaboration is for creating 'hygiene factors' like communal respect for the law, community participation in problem solving, backed by an open taxation system in which a government negotiates with a community for tax contributions for specific projects that have been approved, through dialogue.

The governments tasks would be those of collecting and analyzing information, engaging the public on implications, prescribing solutions and encouraging trade and commerce and social networks.

Private enterprises are then to compete in providing actual products that include roads and other 'mass market' utilities.

Collaboration will ensure that members of the involved networks, and indeed all citizens participate in protecting each other and their infrastructure.

If well managed, Kenya will have no slum, wealth will be evenly distributed and disposable incomes will be so high that Americans and Europeans would be dying to live and work here.

We'd even have veto powers in the UN security council.
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wanyee
#25 Posted : Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:49:55 PM
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when you interact with some of the guys who live in slums ..you realize above all causes ..it is also a serious psychological problem until we acknowledge it as such..slums are here with us
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freiks
#26 Posted : Monday, May 27, 2013 7:01:36 AM
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jaggernaut wrote:
McReggae wrote:
I am happy for those families,canaan imefika for them!



Sad that the middo crass stole the new houses from the slum dwellers. Just look at all those cars kwa parking. Unless the the slum dwellers bought cars after moving to canaan.



Stop lying bro/sis, these are NHC houses and not Kibera upgrading
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McReggae
#27 Posted : Monday, May 27, 2013 9:08:49 AM
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freiks wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
McReggae wrote:
I am happy for those families,canaan imefika for them!



Sad that the middo crass stole the new houses from the slum dwellers. Just look at all those cars kwa parking. Unless the the slum dwellers bought cars after moving to canaan.



Stop lying bro/sis, these are NHC houses and not Kibera upgrading


Exactment!!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Toxicity
#28 Posted : Monday, May 27, 2013 9:10:55 AM
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freiks wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
McReggae wrote:
I am happy for those families,canaan imefika for them!



Sad that the middo crass stole the new houses from the slum dwellers. Just look at all those cars kwa parking. Unless the the slum dwellers bought cars after moving to canaan.



Stop lying bro/sis, these are NHC houses and not Kibera upgrading


Dito!! This are NHC houses not kibera upgrading, why do people always insist that the NHC houses are the kibera upgrading project? the Upgrade project is far ahead next to otiende....
update president set president = speaker where president is null
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McReggae
#29 Posted : Monday, May 27, 2013 9:24:38 AM
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Toxicity wrote:
freiks wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
McReggae wrote:
I am happy for those families,canaan imefika for them!



Sad that the middo crass stole the new houses from the slum dwellers. Just look at all those cars kwa parking. Unless the the slum dwellers bought cars after moving to canaan.



Stop lying bro/sis, these are NHC houses and not Kibera upgrading


Dito!! This are NHC houses not kibera upgrading, why do people always insist that the NHC houses are the kibera upgrading project? the Upgrade project is far ahead next to otiende....


...and the mido crass might find it difficult staying there!!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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ZZE123
#30 Posted : Monday, May 27, 2013 10:45:40 AM
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newfarer wrote:
most houses in the slums are owned by Rich guys who can afford to build good houses.
if the government wanted to deal with slums it would just target the slum Landlords give them title deeds if the land isn't a public utility. then force them to build decent houses with demolition ultimatum.

I remember someone here was looking for land at a slum area!
The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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